Is Israel Lying?

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Sorry, but what are you suggesting they lied about?

I've read that article and I'm no clearer. It says that over 800 rockets were fired in the ten months up to 26 April 2007 (the date of the article). Are you saying that isn't true?
 
AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

I didnt check the article, but the answer is a YES, yes they are criminals, yes they are liars etc

They will be brought to justice

FiAmaaniAllah

 
Trumble said:
Sorry, but what are you suggesting they lied about?

I've read that article and I'm no clearer. It says that over 800 rockets were fired in the ten months up to 26 April 2007 (the date of the article). Are you saying that isn't true?
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I suppose your going to deny this aswell?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JEAeDMH7ULA

Israel are criminals, Liars, Thugs, Filth and Every bad name there is
 
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At that time (2007) between zionist occupiers and Hamas had truce what was one-sided (Hamas kept calm during 5 months but zionists continued killing and kidnapping Palestinians both in the West Bank and Gaza). After several attacks by zionists against Palestinians, Hamas decided to end it and started its attacks again.

The group, the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades, said the attacks were in revenge for recent killings of Palestinians by Israeli forces.

A spokesman for Hamas's armed wing, Abu Ubeida, said: "There is no truce between us and the occupation, the occupation destroyed the truce from the moment it started, we did not trust the intentions of the occupation from the beginning."
(24 April 2007 by BBC)
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So, that situation was just similar than at end of the year 2008. One-side truce, what zionists broked from its beginning but blamed that Palestinians broke it, not them.

As zionist occupiers love to say:

"Until now we have shown restraint. But today there is no other option than a military operation."

The only legitimate option for Israel is to end the occupation and withdraw behind its 1967 border, as required under international law and UN resolutiosn. Israel has been killing Palestinians at the rate of 8 to 1 since 2000, and children at the rate of nearly 12 to 1 (B’Tselem figures). This is somebody’s idea of restraint?

Do they lie? In common all the time, like now when they say they are not targeting civilians in Gaza - and most of they victims are just civilians.

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If they have launched 800 rockets thats nice - hopely they would launched 8000!
 
Trumble said:
Sorry, but what are you suggesting they lied about?

I've read that article and I'm no clearer. It says that over 800 rockets were fired in the ten months up to 26 April 2007 (the date of the article). Are you saying that isn't true?
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I think he is saying: why did they not retaliate at the outset? what is so different after the 800th rocket, why were 799 treated as differently?

ceasefire could have been/was broken by the first same as the 800th and all those in between.

there is more to the situation than meets the eye, methinks!
 
Troubled Soul said:
I suppose your going to deny this aswell?
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I'm not 'denying' anything. I'm just asking the OP what his point is. Can you tell me?

Hamas kept calm during 5 months
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According to the article they fired 230 rockets into Israel while 'keeping calm'. I fail to see why Israeli action should constitute a breach of the ceasefire while that did not.

I think he is saying: why did they not retaliate at the outset? what is so different after the 800th rocket, why were 799 treated as differently?
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Maybe. You could argue on the basis on exactly the same information that the Israelis were being extremely patient in 'giving peace a chance'. I still don't see any suggestion that rockets were not, in fact, fired.
 
Trumble said:
I'm not 'denying' anything. I'm just asking the OP what his point is. Can you tell me?



According to the article they fired 230 rockets into Israel while 'keeping calm'. I fail to see why Israeli action should constitute a breach of the ceasefire while that did not.



Maybe. You could argue on the basis on exactly the same information that the Israelis were being extremely patient in 'giving peace a chance'. I still don't see any suggestion that rockets were not, in fact, fired.
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Peace....

Clearly no-ones read the other threads!!

There was no rockets fired for 4 months in a row during the truce... POST NUMBER 129... http://www.islamicboard.com/news-gaza/134276369-gaza.html

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfFMZ7Y-s_c&eurl=http://www.islamicboard.com/news-gaza/134276369-gaza.html&feature=player_embedded[/media]

People there are so many other threads out there!! All discussing the same thing. Take a read at all these threads first!!! Or ill just have to copy and paste the same arguments over and over again!!!

Check the discussion going on on the other threads..

http://www.islamicboard.com/news-gaza/134276572-your-opinion-israel.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/news-gaza/134276725-cease-fire-war-against-israel.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/news-gaza/134276897-cnn-confirms-israel-broke-ceasefire-first.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/news-gaza/134276849-top-5-lies-about-israel-s-assault-gaza.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/news-gaza/134276286-palestinian-holocaust-continues.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/news-gaza/134276369-gaza.html


Simple to put it............. Israel are criminals, violating laws since they came to existence, they are land stealers, they commit murder, they have done genocide for 60 years, they will always be backed by the US vetoing every resolution, they are house breakers, they are life destroyers, they are peace breakers, they are the worst of humans beings, and they will get whats coming to them very soon, they will be burning in hell in the bottomless of pits!!!!!:raging::raging::raging:

Peace...
 
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Trumble said:
Maybe. You could argue on the basis on exactly the same information that the Israelis were being extremely patient in 'giving peace a chance'. I still don't see any suggestion that rockets were not, in fact, fired.
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or may be you could also argue that it is a smokescreen that will cover something bigger

while the retards of "Islamic" world are busy beating their chests, the following scenario might be taking shape:
Out of all the so-called Muslim world, only Pakistan had the potential for standing up against the nefarious designs of the global power-brokers and to resist their hegemony. but now while you are busy distracting the people of the world, the NATO forces are waiting on the western front to move into Pakistan to deprive the country of its nuclear assets while on the eastern border India is ready to stage an action replay of 1971 events and has alerted its armed forces to "intervene in to stop threats to peace of the region" in the aftermath.”
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Najm said:
Clearly no-ones read the other threads!!

There was no rockets fired for 4 months in a row during the truce... POST NUMBER 129... http://www.islamicboard.com/news-gaza/134276369-gaza.html
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Clearly, you haven't bothered to read the article that the OP linked to. It is dated 26 April 2007 and describes events up to that time.


or may be you could also argue that it is a smokescreen that will cover something bigger
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You could. I wasn't offering my last as a serious argument, just showing that there are several ways of interpreting the same facts.
 
Trumble said:
Clearly, you haven't bothered to read the article that the OP linked to. It is dated 26 April 2007 and describes events up to that time.
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From end of 2006 to March of 2007 there was just similar truce than what was at 2008. Zionists never kept they promising at 2006 - 2007 but used it for murdering more Palestinians. Just like with this last truce too.

Liers, just only liers both of times.
 
Imagine this was between India and Pakistan. If India fired 230 rockets at civilian targets during a ceasefire, or even just 20 as during the recent ceasefire, would you still consider it a ceasefire?

Disregarding for a second whether Israel were or were not justified in breaking the ceasefire, should Palestine not be held responsible for citizens firing explosive warheads onto foreign soil whenever they feel like it?
 
Azy said:
Imagine this was between India and Pakistan. If India fired 230 rockets at civilian targets during a ceasefire, or even just 20 as during the recent ceasefire, would you still consider it a ceasefire?
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No need to imagine it, just go visit any of Pakistani border villages and see the state of them and if you are real lucky you might even see one coming for it is a weekly occurrence even more frequent at times
 
doorster said:
No need to imagine it, just go visit any of Pakistani border villages and see the state of them and if you are real lucky you might even see one coming for it is a weekly occurrence even more frequent at times
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Am I to take that as "firing rockets into another country doesn't actually constitute a ceasefire" or what?
 
Azy said:
Am I to take that as "firing rockets into another country doesn't actually constitute a ceasefire" or what?
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you are being clever again, are you not? I did not say that: "firing rockets into another country doesn't actually constitute a ceasefire [or breaking of it]"

I was just trying to point out your ignorance at the same time as saying that the people here, who are outraged at deaths in Palestine, do not give a toss about deaths in Pakistan or anywhere else for that matter (they are just like you in that respect).

and they are exactly same as you as far as their ignorance [ or they may not be ignorant as you, simply victims or relatives of victims from Palestine] is concerned or perhaps you are not all that ignorant either but are just a troll who enjoys twisting and quoting out of context
 
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doorster said:
you are being clever again, are you not? I did not say that: "firing rockets into another country doesn't actually constitute a ceasefire [or breaking of it]"

I was just trying to point out your ignorance at the same time as saying that the people here, who are outraged at deaths in Palestine, do not give a toss about deaths in Pakistan or anywhere else for that matter (they are just like you in that respect).

and they are exactly same as you as far as their ignorance [ or they may not be ignorant as you, simply victims or relatives of victims from Palestine] is concerned or perhaps you are not all that ignorant either but are just a troll who enjoys twisting and quoting out of context
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I'm not sure what you mean by "your ignorance", all I did was ask you a plain and simple question.

My analogy with Pakistan was not intended to make comment on or highlight anything to do with the current situation there, it was merely an analogy to the Palestinian attacks in reverse. I did that because it seems that most here are unable to see the situation from more than one perspective.

As far as deaths in Pakistan or Nigeria or Israel or Peru or anywhere that isn't within 10 minutes of my house, you're right, on a normal day I couldn't give a toss about them and don't give it a second thought unless I come across a thread like this. It's sad when anything bad happens to people but I only have direct control over my own life.
I don't understand what it is you're getting at.. am I supposed to care deeply about the tens of millions of people who die every year who I never even knew existed?

If you feel I have twisted your words why don't you give me a simple answer to the original question and then I can't twist them.
 
Azy said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "your ignorance", all I did was ask you a plain and simple question.

My analogy with Pakistan was not intended to make comment on or highlight anything to do with the current situation there, it was merely an analogy to the Palestinian attacks in reverse. I did that because it seems that most here are unable to see the situation from more than one perspective.

As far as deaths in Pakistan or Nigeria or Israel or Peru or anywhere that isn't within 10 minutes of my house, you're right, on a normal day I couldn't give a toss about them and don't give it a second thought unless I come across a thread like this. It's sad when anything bad happens to people but I only have direct control over my own life.
I don't understand what it is you're getting at.. am I supposed to care deeply about the tens of millions of people who die every year who I never even knew existed?

If you feel I have twisted your words why don't you give me a simple answer to the original question and then I can't twist them.
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I think, I should say that I am sorry too, there is too much rubbish and trolling going on here [due to almost non-existent moderation by staff] that I get confused

Peace
 
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Zionist state what someones called as Isreal lies all the time. All those times her attack against civilians and claims she not, al the time she claims not attack against hospitals, UN, not using white phosphorous, deplated uranium, DIME or what ever.

All the time!
If they kill innocent, it is always mistake.

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Hundreds of thousands innocent they have murdered by mistake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1NC...howthread.php?t=26548&feature=player_embedded
 
openmind said:
Were members of Hamas launching missiles into Israel from Gaza? It is said that this had been occurring on a regular basis for over a year.

This article appeared at the end of the truce:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/26/AR2007042601010.html
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israel is generation of snakes & scorpions. No one can tame these animals. You cannot expect truth from their mouths. Israeli young men were arrested with van full of explosives, celebrating 911 yelling & shouting, right on spot on sep-11 still they were freed & appeared on israeli TV claiming innocence.


Just recall bible references where Jesus & John the baptist called jews as vipers & snakes & that their tree is just to be cut down coz it's not producing good fruit:-

Matthew:12:34:(Jesus said to jews)You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
Mt:23:33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

Matthew:3:7:But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees(2 sects of jews) coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8:Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9:And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10:The axe is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
 
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