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    The art of mesh analysis

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    Because i cant be arsed to revise for the exam tomorrow ive come up with an idea that could benefit me and also you guys


    This is mesh analysis

    A mesh is a closed loop(starting at a node and returning along that same node without passing through an intermediary node

    Basically mesh analysis is a powerful way to calculate and analysis circuits

    ok first and foremost we need a circuit to work from

    and here it is sorry about the quality of the drawing Ive used paint
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    to clarify the values of the components:

    R1 = 4 Ohms
    R2 = 4 Ohms
    R3 = 6 Ohms
    R4 = 8 Ohms
    V = 12 volts
    I = 1 Ampere


    basically we will divide up the circuit into three loops

    loop one is the box containing the voltage source and the 2 resisters

    that's V12 , R3 and R4

    so using the algebraic formula

    we put all the values together

    so ......v12=R3(I2-I3) - R4(12-13)

    what we want to find is the unknown value of the current we've got the resistance and the voltage

    v12=R3(I2-I3) - R4(12-13)
    ^
    ^
    ^
    we rewrite it but this time with the values in

    R3 = 6 Ohms
    R4 = 8 Ohms
    V = 12 volts
    I1,I2,I3...Unknown

    V12=R2(I2-I3) - R4

    we then move everything we know to the right and everything we dont know to the left

    PUT THE VALUES IN and this is what you get
    v12 = 6(I2)-6(I3) - 8(12) - 8

    we then move everything we know to the right and everything we dont know to the left

    so 20 = 14I2 - 6 I3

    Thats the equation complete for loop 1

    now loop 2

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    the values
    R1 = 4 Ohms
    R2 = 4 Ohms
    R3 = 6 Ohms

    because there isn't any source we take it as 0

    0=R2(I3) + R1 (I3-I1) + R3 (I3-I2)
    PUT THE VALUES IN and we get
    0=4(I3) + 4(I3) - 4 + 6(I3) - 6(I2)
    the left over 4 from I3 will be treated like a source because we cannot have 0 as a value it wouldn't work

    move all the known values to the right and the unknown to the left

    you get

    4 = 14(13) - 6(I2)........ loop 2



    now this bit is where i always struggle because my maths is pants .....to find the current through R2 we simply use simultaneous equation to derive the current through resistor 3


    20 = 14 I2 - 6 I3
    4 = - 6 I2 - 14 I2
    ----------------

    14/6 gives you 2.3333333333

    you multiply the bottom to get it to look like the top

    4 = - 6 I2 - 14 I2 >>>>>will become this >>>>>9.333333332 = 14 - 32.66666666

    20 = 14 I2 - 6 I3
    9.333333332 = 14 I2 - 32.66666666I3

    canceled

    20 = - 6 I3
    9.333333332 = - 32.66666666I3
    ---------------------------------
    10.7 = 26.7

    divide 10.7 by 26.7 to get I3

    10.7/26.7=0.4007ampere

    I3=0.4007

    and that's mesh analysis

    other members who are doing the same or similar can you guys assist me or the those who are good at maths maybe you guys can help me with the simultaneous bit
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    the only thing i understand, is the drawing of the smiley face. Needs to comb hair and get plactic surgery on the nose , otherwise very pretty.
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    hey abdullahi, if it might interest you I am an electrical engineer. I think I can help u if you want.
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    format_quote Originally Posted by GreyKode View Post
    hey abdullahi, if it might interest you I am an electrical engineer. I think I can help u if you want.
    fantastic ! can you check if my mesh analysis is correct thanks
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    v12=R3(I2-I3) - R4(12-13)
    I think something is wrong here
    correction :
    v12 = R3(I2-I3)+(I2-I1)R4
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    yes thanks thats right my mistake.....
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    loop1
    v12 = R3(I2-I3)+(I2-I1)R4
    loop2
    0=I3*R2 + (I3-I1)*R1 + (I3-I2)*R3

    loop3
    I1=1A.

    Now substituting you need to solve the following 2 eqns
    12=6*(I2-I3) + 8*(I2-1)
    0=4*I3 + (I3-1)*4 + (I3-I2)*6

    20 = 14*I2 -6*I3
    4 = 14*I3 - 6*I2
    Last edited by GreyKode; 04-22-2009 at 11:39 PM.
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    format_quote Originally Posted by GreyKode View Post
    loop1

    Now substituting you need to solve the following 2 eqns
    12=6*(I2-I3) - 8*(I2-I3)
    0=4*I3 + (I3-1)*4 + (I3-I2)*6
    which gives us this
    v12 = 6(I2)-6(I3) - 8(12) - 8
    0=4(I3) + 4(I3) - 4 + 6(I3) - 6(I2)
    .
    .
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    20 = 14 I2 - 6 I3
    4 = - 6 I2 - 14 I2
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    I am afraid youre mistaken, maybe its my equations.
    But check again.
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    12=6*(I2-I3) - 8*(I2-I3)

    once you add the value this is what you get:

    v12 = 6(I2)-6(I3) - 8(12) - 8

    thats how i did it..i hope its clear because you cant really explain it in words
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    sorry..check my edited post
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    oh ok so how did you get 14 on the bottom line did you times 6 by 2.33333333333
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    starting from here

    12=6*(I2-I3) + 8*(I2-1)
    0=4*I3 + (I3-1)*4 + (I3-I2)*6

    expanding brackets

    12=6*I2-6*I3 + 8*I2 - 8 ----> 12+8 = 6*I2-6*I3 + 8*I2 ----> 20 = 14*I2 - 6I3

    0=4*I3 + I3*4 - 4 + I3*6 - I2*6 ----> 4 = 4*I3 + I3*4 + I3*6 - I2*6 --->
    4 = 14*I3-I2*6
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    starting from here

    12=6*(I2-I3) + 8*(I2-1)
    0=4*I3 + (I3-1)*4 + (I3-I2)*6

    expanding brackets

    12=6*I2-6*I3 + 8*I2 - 8 ----> 12+8 = 6*I2-6*I3 + 8*I2 ----> 20 = 14*I2 - 6I3

    0=4*I3 + I3*4 - 4 + I3*6 - I2*6 ----> 4 = 4*I3 + I3*4 + I3*6 - I2*6 --->
    4 = 14*I3-I2*6
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    ok now what about the simultaneous equation part..............

    you have to change this

    20 = 14*I2 -6*I3
    4 = 14*I3 - 6*I2
    to this
    20 = 14 I2 - 6 I3
    4 = - 6 I2 - 14 I2

    and then finding I3 by multiplying the bottom line by 2.333333333
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    format_quote Originally Posted by Abdullahii View Post
    ok now what about the simultaneous equation part..............

    you have to change this

    20 = 14*I2 -6*I3
    4 = 14*I3 - 6*I2
    to this
    20 = 14 I2 - 6 I3
    4 = - 6 I2 + 14 I3

    and then finding I3 by multiplying the bottom line by 2.333333333

    20 = 14 I2 - 6 I3
    4 = - 6 I2 + 14 I3 * 14/6

    20 = 14 * I2 - 6* I3
    56/6 = -14 *I2 + 14*(14/6)* I3 adding
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    format_quote Originally Posted by GreyKode View Post
    20 = 14 I2 - 6 I3
    4 = - 6 I2 + 14 I3 * 14/6

    20 = 14 * I2 - 6* I3
    56/6 = -14 *I2 + 14*(14/6)* I3 adding
    wow thats just confused me

    this is what i did

    20 = 14 I2 - 6 I3
    4 = - 6 I2 + 14 I3<<<<<<<<<time by 2.333333333333

    outcome is 9.3333333 = 14 + 32.666666666

    then 20 = 14 I2 - 6 I3
    9.3333333 = 14 + 32.666666666
    ---------------------------------------------
    10.6 0 -26.7

    10.7/26.7 = 0.4007 ampere

    I3 = 0.4007 ampere
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    i had the test today inshallah ive done enough...you guyz just make dua for me
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    How was it? Anything challenging?
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    Re: The art of mesh analysis

    phasor diagrams, i have know clue ....i just guessed.....and opamp.... those two i dont really understand because i never went for lectures,i kinda slacked off
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