Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing'

[Amadeus85]

Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing'

Brescia, 13 Nov. (AKI) - A Pakistani man in Italy, Mohammed Saleem, and two male relatives, have been sentenced to 30 years in jail in the northern Italian town of Brescia for murdering his daughter, Hina Saleem.

Hina's maternal uncle was also implicated in the crime and received a sentence of two years and eight months for helping to conceal her body.

In what has been termed an 'honour killing' the Pakistani girl was allegedly killed because she had "dishonoured" her family and refused an arranged marriage.

Hina (photo), dressed in western clothes, wore make up, worked in a pizzeria in the northern town of Sarezzo and lived with her Italian boyfriend. She was found with her throat slit buried in the garden of her family home with her head facing Mecca in August 2006.

Her father Mohammed confessed to her slaying.

When the sentence was announced in the court on Tuesday, Hina's mother broke down and was taken by ambulance to a local hospital.

The case shocked Italy and sparked a debate about the integration of Muslims in the predominantly Roman Catholic country.

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English...1.0.1548287210

[wilberhum]

I guess not everyone agrees on what honour is.

[Tania]

The real debate is the moral values of today society. The catholics has big issues with the family life.

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Islamic Point of veiw on honour killings

[Tania]

I am cautious to say anything about honour killing or forced marriage (both convicted by me) but i am very sure (100%) that italian man (roman-catholic)don't have the right to be with a woman (live with her) outside of marriage. At least according with the religious teachings.

[Whatsthepoint]

I am cautious to say anything about honour killing or forced marriage (both convicted by me) but i am very sure (100%) that italian man (roman-catholic)don't have the right to be with a woman (live with her) outside of marriage. At least according with the religious teachings.

I am a former catholic and I think catholic couples are allowed to live together outside of marriage. They aren't allowed to have premaritial sex though.
I am also sure that a vast majority of catholics had lived and had had sex with their partners before they got married..

[tomtomsmom]

That is seriously twisted.

[Umar001]

Oh man, what did the parent expect? Bring the children up with a set value and morals and then expect them to conform to others at the click of your fingers.

Ajeeb

[Whatsthepoint]

That's one of the main problems with immigration - immigrants acting according to the laws of their homeland or their religion instead of the country they live in. That's suppossed to be against Islam, right?

[Umar001]

That's one of the main problems with immigration - immigrants acting according to the laws of their homeland or their religion instead of the country they live in. That's suppossed to be against Islam, right?

You mean honour killings are legal in Pakistan? :eek:

[Whatsthepoint]

You mean honour killings are legal in Pakistan? :eek:

No. They're quite common though.

[Umar001]

Yea, it's all this cultural stuff, argh, how mankind is amazing! Even the highest percieveable authority, in my view, a religion, cannot make man conform and give up his own ways.

I mean if anything was going to make people leave habits you would have thought it'd be the threat of the worst possible torture, hell.

[NobleMuslimUK]

Pakistanis are the worst representation of Islam with their backwards mentalities and double standards, and they follow the worst schools of thoughts full of innovations and shirk. May Allah guide us all. Ameen.

[Pure Imaan]

I was watching a show about honour killings whereby a bengali girl met up with a bengali guy, his name Raj (I forgot the girl's name), they were sitting in the library I think and when they were about to leave, the girl spotted her father and her brother and she got worried, but the guy Raj walked away as fast as he could. Then, I think the following day or the next couple of days the bengali girl rang Raj and told him she loved him.

Then the girl's brother rang Raj's home phone and Raj's mother picked it up and the girl's brother threatnend the family because he found out about his sister and her boyfriend.

The next day the girl's brother and his friends threw petrol bombs on Raj's house and they ran away. The fire spread quickly and Raj had a big family mashallah, I think 4 or 5 brothers and sisters, they all alhumdullilah managed to escape the house, but the youngest sister she was 5 years old died, she got burnt to death, the hosipital said that she didn't feel any pain becuase the fire had destroyed the pain receptors in her body.

The guy's friends went to jail but the actual guy (the girl's brother) ran away to Bangladesh where he was given a hero's welcome. I felt so sorry for the little girl's mother, she was crying soo much, May Allah (swt) give them peace and help them through this ordeal.

What a world we live in, it is heartbreaking, even when we have the Qu'ran, Allah's words, the sunnah of the beloved Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), his example, all we have to do is live as the Prophet (pbuh) did and implement the word's of Allah (swt) then inshallah we will all become better muslims, what more do we need, Oh Allah (swt) help us all to realise the importance of Islam, help us to realise death is only around the corner, that we have very little time, inshallah we will all become better muslims, have good intentions, carry out out prayers, increase our knowledge, strengthen our imaan, remain patient and steadfast in times of hardship, inshallah we will all enter jannah al Fudrous, inshallah, ameen.

I watched this show on Sky Digital, channel 115, it was called 'Honour Killings'

[Amadeus85]

To be clear, this act happens in very conservative societies,no matter what religion is, for example it hapenned in Sicily even in XX century

[Tania]

I am a former catholic and I think catholic couples are allowed to live together outside of marriage. They aren't allowed to have premaritial sex though.
I am also sure that a vast majority of catholics had lived and had had sex with their partners before they got married..

Should be avoided:
"It is quite possible to imagine other forms of relationship and cohabitation between the sexes, but none of these, despite some people's contrary opinion, offers a real juridical alternative to matrimony, but rather a weakening of it"
AND
"For some time now the family institution has been under repeated attack. These attacks are all the more dangerous and insidious since they ignore the irreplaceable value of the family based on marriage. They have reached the point of proposing false alternatives to the family and of calling for legislative recognition of them. But when laws, which should be at the service of the family, a fundamental good for society, turn against it, they acquire alarming destructive power. "

Source: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/jo...family_en.html


See, exactly what i wrote above. Catholics has serious issues relating family life because today society its aproving relations outside of marriage. In this days the cohabitation begin to be recognize here even in the bank field (taking loan together which could never been done before).

[islamirama]

Pakistanis are the worst representation of Islam with their backwards mentalities and double standards, and they follow the worst schools of thoughts full of innovations and shirk. May Allah guide us all. Ameen.

Correction: Desi (paki/indian/bengali/etc) who follow their culture are one of the worst representatives of Islam. They follower their clutural practices which are based more on hindu culture and innovation then Islam. The school of thoughts are not innovated and shirkful over there, school of thought is fine and with Islam. The innovations whether introduced to these school of thoughts or just part of their culture (and so they think its part of Islam too) or just out of this world.

On a side note: Honor killing is something that is carried out and done in all of Asia (including orientals and other nationalities) and Middle East, regardless of their religion. It's a cultural phenomenon.

another side not: article states she wore western clothes/make up (meaning she was pretty modern/liberal) AND she had an Italian boyfriend she was living with. Apparently the parents failed to provide a proper islamic upbringing for her to go down that path, therefore parents should blame themselves first before going attacking her.

[Khattab]

Deserved punishment for her father, but what has her facing Mecca got anything to do with the story?

[barney]

30 years, yeah, nice balanced sentence. Hope he hates every second of it.

Killing for mixing with Kuffar and not veiling up!
No compulsion in religion.

[Tania]

Deserved punishment for her father, but what has her facing Mecca got anything to do with the story?

In this way they wanted to point out its a "honour killing" made by a muslim.