10 NATO Soldiers Die in Afghanistan

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam

Do you honestly think he wants to be there?

but the fact is he is there .

Only Allah knows how many inncoent civilians including kids died and injured there in Iraq and Afghanistan . If ur nephew did not kill any innocent one , then may Allah forgive him .

he serves in the Army and he believes that he is helping to make the world safer, for everyone, including Muslims.

and how is that possible ?

Money and resources could be used in welfare instead of wars.




Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since The U.S. Invaded Iraq "1,366,350"
www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html

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Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In America's War On Iraq: 4,721
icasualties.org/oif/

Number Of International Occupation Force Troops Slaughtered In Afghanistan : 1,823

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Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,004,590,997,125
http://www.costofwar.com/

I can't believe that Muhammad (PBUH) would ever wish for harm to be brought on spouses or children of soldiers.

Prophet pbuh forbid to kill innocent unarmed civilians of enemy party. But killing armed enemies and make dua that they face more losses , I am sure it's allowed .

Allah Knows Best.

 

[LauraS]

You don't fit brainless twits in polyester suits and carpet bombs posing for pictures as the only 'heroic measure' just adorable? I find them particularly amusing and all animal like in their element when they crap their pants the minute they are captured.. They don't have enough pride to die with honor, so they cry like school girls and plead before having their heads are chopped off!

and may Allah swt yizeedhoum khosara in this life and the hereafter

ameen

Remember the poor families of all those that have been taken hostage, who have had to survive everyday waiting for news and then to find out they have been killed in such a terrible way, surely you can't condone it? The people held hostage haven't always been soldiers, what about there have been aid workers and journalists.

How would you react in that situation and have you ever seen someone beheaded? How do you know they plead for their life? If you have and you find it amusing then I think you should see someone.

 

[Dagless]

Remember the poor families of all those that have been taken hostage, who have had to survive everyday waiting for news and then to find out they have been killed in such a terrible way, surely you can't condone it? The people held hostage haven't always been soldiers, what about there have been aid workers and journalists.

What about the poor people who are held in Guantanamo? or the thousands kidnapped by Israel with US support? What about all the civilians killed during the invasions?
You can't walk into a fire pit and then complain when the flames burn you. The bottom line is that they shouldn't be there. The end.
Anything happening to a non-combatant is always very sad, and I would never call that right. However you're only looking at it from one side. The US has tortured and killed more non-combatants than the other way around.

 

[LauraS]

What about the poor people who are held in Guantanamo? or the thousands kidnapped by Israel with US support? What about all the civilians killed during the invasions?
You can't walk into a fire pit and then complain when the flames burn you. The bottom line is that they shouldn't be there. The end.
Anything happening to a non-combatant is always very sad, and I would never call that right. However you're only looking at it from one side. The US has tortured and killed more non-combatants than the other way around.

I'm not saying it "amuses" me though am I? You shouldn't gloat about suffering no matter what side they are on. I'm not looking at it from any particular side.

 

[Dagless]

I'm not saying it "amuses" me though am I? You shouldn't gloat about suffering no matter what side they are on. I'm not looking at it from any particular side.

When did I say it "amuses" me or gloat?

edit: Ok I see you were replying to another quote, and not mine.

 

[Woodrow]

I will be the first to admit that my logic is twisted.

However I am always saddened when hear of the death of a non-Muslim. I do not see it as a Non-Muslim dieing I see it as the lose of a potential revert. Far better if we could be more more effective in Da'wah. To me The death of an enemy only results in one less enemy. To bring an enemy to Islam results in the loss of one enemy and the gain of one brother. A 2 for one deal.

 

[جوري]

All children are born Muslim until they've reached the age of reason and choose some other faith (which most of the time they do under non muslim parents).
You prayed for suffering for these children
Therefore you've prayed for suffering for Muslims.

Simply put, even Islamically it isn't good to pray for the suffering of a kafirs children since they are not kafirs yet! Islam aside, you should never blame a child for their fathers sins unless you want to convert to some branches of Christianity.

Don't worry about the Muslim children, in other words keep doing what you are doing supporting corrupt policies and don't concern yourself over them .. I am not blaming the children of the kuffar for the sins of their fathers, I am asking God to make them suffer the same losses that Muslim children suffer only a million times worse.. although I can't imagine anything worse than this:

when you are 8 yrs old and find your mother's skull blown off and your father dead and you end up in an orphanage in a country besieged and all aid halted and to add insult to injury those oppressing you are wondering why it is you've 'so much hatred' can you come and give me a lesson in fitrah and how it is you derived to your ridiculous closing statement!

all the best

 

[جوري]

Ukti, I hope you really don't mean this. How can I even comment? +o(



:wa:

There was a time when Abu Bakr was fighting against his own son. His son said, father when I saw you in the battle, I avoided you not to kill you, and abu bakr (RA) said, well if I had seen you I'd have killed you.. the priorities in Islam and loyalties aren't to human beings or country, it is to Justice and to God!

Abu Bakr's kid eventually became a Muslim, which I believe he was always meant to be, so God judges best who deserves to live and who deserves to die, regardless of anyone's prayer or anyone's intent- one must believe that whole-heatedly if one is truly a Muslim! ..

the situation was similar but the reverse with Omar ibn ilkhtab and his son.. His son was so terrified of him that he kept is Islam a secret as to not incur Omar's wrath ...I didn't pray for the death of the children of the unbelievers, because there is ethics in Islamic warfare, but I do pray that they are aggrieved as the Muslim children are aggrieved by all those horrific losses, and not know if they themselves will be next, since Judaic law unlike Islamic law allows for the death of women and children, and well we all know that secular law means muslim blood is free for all, we need not but look at the Palestinian kid with his rock against an enormous Israeli tank to know that he was killed by them shortly thereafter.. of course it won't make the ten o'clock news or any news.. 'because well, we are taught to hate'

if you are sitting in your home with your two children and soldiers come killing your mother for fun:

Then please don't begrudge me a single supplication, that the enemy suffer as we suffer, and not have a prayer for hope!

[4:104] And slacken not in following up the enemy: if ye are suffering hardships, they are suffering similar hardships; but ye have hope from Allah, while they have none. And Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom.

 

[Rabi Mansur]

Firstly when did anyone say the prophet said such things? if you've read his sunnah on the rules of war you'll know he would never allow civilians or pow's to be harmed:

Abu Bakr summarised them:
'O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!
Do no betray or misappropriate any part of the booty; do not practice treachery or mutilation. Do not kill a young child, an old man, or a woman. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food. You will meet people who have set themselves apart in hermitages; leave them to accomplish the purpose for which they have done this. You will come upon people who will bring you dishes with various kinds of foods. If you partake of them, pronounce God's name over what you eat. You will meet people who have shaved the crown of their heads, leaving a band of hair around it (monks). Go in Gods name, and may God protect you from sword and pestilence'



Secondly Is your faith this weak that you have doubts based on the comments of another member?

Thirdly we do not need you to be muslim - this is your own decision and its only going to benefit you in this world and the next - so please don't make statements like you're some kind of burden on us

I'm not saying that the prophet said such things. He clearly didn't. That is why I am so surprised by some of the comments from people here who seem to delight in human suffering. It seems so "unIslamic" to me and so contrary to what the Prophet (pbuh) would have taught. It just aids and abets those who criticize Islam for being a violent hate-filled religion.

I really don't understand where you are coming from and why you feel the way that you do so perhaps I had better just stay quiet for awhile.

:wa:

 

[جوري]

I really don't understand where you are coming from and why you feel the way that you do so perhaps I had better just stay quiet for awhile.

:wa:

you shouldn't stay quiet, you should express your feelings, and I was expressing mine.. that is unfortunately how I feel and I can't change that.. it might not be Islamic or seem Islamic but it is human.. it is human to feel!

 

[Lynx]

Don't worry about the Muslim children, in other words keep doing what you are doing supporting corrupt policies and don't concern yourself over them .. I am not blaming the children of the kuffar for the sins of their fathers, I am asking God to make them suffer the same losses that Muslim children suffer only a million times worse.. although I can't imagine anything worse than this:

when you are 8 yrs old and find your mother's skull blown off and your father dead and you end up in an orphanage in a country besieged and all aid halted and to add insult to injury those oppressing you are wondering why it is you've 'so much hatred' can you come and give me a lesson in fitrah and how it is you derived to your ridiculous closing statement!

all the best

children aren't to blame nor do they deserve any suffering. if god exists i am happy to know your prayers for the suffering of the innocents will not be heard. if allah exist then your prayers will still mean nothing since you're wishing the suffering of children who are Muslim according to your own texts. you're as bad as the very oppressors you condemn and this is exactly why being religious does not confer any sense of morality in anyone. people are despicable across the board.

 

[Argamemnon]

The U.S are sending more troops in too. 9/11 has definitely changed the world as you see it today...

9/11 was a false flag operation in order to get public support for continuous imperialistic wars and massacres. The West is the source of all aggression and wars and terrible massacres and horrific crimes against humanity.

 

[Argamemnon]

My Government Went to Afghanistan And All I Got Was This Stupid Pipeline

The Complete Truth About the U.S. Attack on Afghanistan

http://citypaper.net/pipeline/

 

[Argamemnon]

Terrorist western states don't want peace; they only understand the language of power. O Allah make their plots against us a cause for their destruction, and their slyness a slyness against them. O Allah, take care of the sources of injustice and oppression, and raise the positions of those who order righteousness, and who forbid evil.

 

[Argamemnon]

I think the pay increase is the best thing this government has done so far (and perhaps will do for a while). We need to show the soldiers that the people of Britain appreciate the professionalism of their jobs and the dangers they face each day defending Britain, even if they don't agree with the war itself. Our Army is perhaps the best and the most professional in the world, with standards of training incredibly high. We need to show these men that we do care about them and the work they're doing.

What an absurd thing to say. It's all about natural resources, your soldiers are criminals and terrorists. Insha'Allah the brave mujahadeen will slaughter all your cowardly 'soldiers' and send them straight to hell...

 

[Argamemnon]

you shouldn't stay quiet, you should express your feelings, and I was expressing mine.. that is unfortunately how I feel and I can't change that.. it might not be Islamic or seem Islamic but it is human.. it is human to feel!

I feel the same, seeing kafir westerners beheaded fills my heart with joy. As you can clearly see from the answers on this board by westerners; they are all extremely hostile and inhumane, very few of them are righteous. The (overwhelming) majority support the suffering and massacres of Muslims by their terrorist governments and armies. To hell with them...

 

[Supreme]

What an absurd thing to say. It's all about natural resources, your soldiers are criminals and terrorists. Insha'Allah the brave mujahadeen will slaughter all your cowardly 'soldiers' and send them straight to hell...

You can say that. You can keep on saying that. It doesn't make it true, though.

 

[Rabi Mansur]

I feel the same, it fills my heart with joy to see kafir westerners beheaded. As you can clearly see from the answers on this board by westerners; they are all extremely hostile and inhumane, very few of them are righteous. The (overwhelming) majority support the suffering and massacres of Muslims by their terrorist governments and armies. To hell with them...

It pains me to see anyone beheaded. I live in the west but I don't support suffering or the massacre of Muslims. I don't support the massacre of anyone. Frankly, the hostility seems to be coming from those on this board supporting the Taliban. Who are the "inhumane" westerners on this board?

I really don't understand the mentality behind finding joy in seeing anyone beheaded or hoping that innocent children suffer.

How is your attitude any different from the worst Zionists in Israel who oppress the people of Gaza? Really.

:wa:

 

[Argamemnon]

You can say that. You can keep on saying that. It doesn't make it true, though.

Do some research, it's common knowledge. It's not the first time that the west has waged a bloody war for similar reasons. Buy the book "Killing Hope" by William Blum.

 

[Supreme]

Do some serious research, it's common knowledge.

'Common knowledge' implies it's something that's commonly known; honestly, I'd never heard of it until I visited this forum. I don't know anyone IRL who thinks like that.