100% proof that jesus is NOT god

[truemuslim]

why would god be human?

 

[جوري]

OBJECTION #10. Jesus can't be God, since God can't die!

ANSWER: Remember, Jesus isn't only God by nature, but also man! Jesus could die as any other human, because He became man (and still is man) besides being God by NATURE.

May I ask.. what sort of audience are these answers addressing or appeasing? I read them the first time, they weren't satisfactory then, and still illogical now.. that aside though, let me ask you this.. would you ever convert back to Judaism now that you've found God in christ? try to carry that analogy over, because I assure you no thinking, reflecting Muslim can ever accept the 'trinity' after consciousely and freely making the decision to be a Muslim insha'Allah....

2: 256

THERE SHALL BE no coercion in matters of faith.* Distinct has now become the right way from [the way of] error: hence, he who rejects the powers of evil** and believes in God has indeed taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way: for God is all-hearing, all-knowing.



* The term din denotes both the contents of and the compliance with a morally binding law; consequently, it signifies "religion" in the widest sense of this term, extending over all that pertains to its doctrinal contents and their practical implications, as well as to man's attitude towards the object of his worship, thus comprising also the concept of "faith". The rendering of drn as "religion", "faith","religious law" or "moral law" (see note 3 on 109: 6) depends on the context in which this term is used. - On the strength of the above categorical prohibition of coercion (ikrah) in anything that pertains to faith or religion, all Islamic jurists (fugahd'), without any exception, hold that forcible conversion is under all circumstances null and void, and that any attempt at coercing a non-believer to accept the faith of Islam is a grievous sin: a verdict which disposes of the widespread f allacy that Islam places before the unbelievers the alternative of "conversion or the sword".



**250 At-tdghut denotes, primarily, anything that is worshipped instead of God and, thus, all that may turn man away from God and lead him to evil. It has both a singular and a plural significance (Razi) and is, therefore, best rendered as "the powers of evil".

peace

 

[john316]

Do you consider yourself to be a good person? If so are you good enough to go to heaven? Have you obeyed God's mpral laws perfectly

1)"You shall have no other gods before me."

Have you ever put something in your life before God. You have broken this commandment if on a list of your priorities God is not number 1.

2)"You shall not make for yourself any idols."

If you have an idea of God that is not one of scripture, a God not described in the bible, then you are worshipping a fasle god, an idol. You have broken this commandment if you make God into what you want God to be and not what he is. Pride is also another form of idolatory.

3)"You shall not take the name of God in vain."

Taking God's name in vain name is using the name of God as a cuss word. If you have EVER done that you've broken this commandment.

4)"Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy."

If you haven't ALWAYS set aside 1 out of 7 days for God you have broken this commandment.

5)"Honor your father ad your mother."

Have you EVER disobeyed your parents? Once is enough. That would be breaking this commandment.

6)"You shall not murder."

This one seems easy, but Jesus said if you hate someone you are guilty of murder. Have you EVER hated someone WITHOUT CAUSE? That would be breaking this commandment.

7)"You shall not commit adultery."

This is one seems like another one you may have kept, but Jesus said if you look at someone with lust in heart then you have committed adultery. Ever thought about another person with lust? Have you desired someone sexually. It's ok to appreciate the beauty but did you ever have an intent have having illegitimate sex with himor her? Then you broke this one too.

8)"You shall not steal."

Anything you have taken that is not yours without permission is stealing. A crayan or a car, both if taken without permission are stolen. If you have done that then you have broken number 8.

9)"You shall not lie."

One lie is all it takes to become a liar. Do that, and you have broken another commandment.

10)"You shall not covet."

If you want something that is someone else's, anything from anyone, then you have covetted. That is another broken commandment.


Please examine yourself with a sincere heart......If you truly love your God then please examine yourself I request you.

 

[*Hana*]

OBJECTION #10. Jesus can't be God, since God can't die!

ANSWER: Remember, Jesus isn't only God by nature, but also man! Jesus could die as any other human, because He became man (and still is man) besides being God by NATURE.

Nope, sorry again. Do you understand the Athanasian Creed? It absolutely, positively, in no way says what you are saying here. In actuality, it says completely different.

Peace,
Hana

ps: Please don't "over post". It's why I didn't bother reading your first one. We are talking of one thing here for now....not 10. HOwever, in response to the very first commandment...you're breaking that...not me. I only pray to God.

Hana

 

[MartyrX]

God is not created. Jesus is also not created. Jesus preexisted before creation. As Phillipians 2 says he humbled himself.

"God can't be multiplied, procreated, reproduced, added, subtracted, or divided.."

Agreed The doctrine of the Trinity perhaps depicts that God has a capability of having a relationship. We Christians believe that it is more of a parent child relationship that God wants to share with us.

So Jesus was not created yet he existed. So was he created or was he not?

 

[john316]

Nope, sorry again. Do you understand the Athanasian Creed? It absolutely, positively, in no way says what you are saying here. In actuality, it says completely different.

Peace,
Hana

ps: Please don't "over post". It's why I didn't bother reading your first one. We are talking of one thing here for now....not 10. HOwever, in response to the very first commandment...you're breaking that...not me. I only pray to God.

Hana

then go through the other commandments and see how you do....

 

[*Hana*]

then go through the other commandments and see how you do....

lol, And this answers to what I said how????

Please stay with the topic and respond to the questions/comments at hand rather than trying to jump to another topic. If you don't know the answer or can't respond, it's not a problem, just say so and we can move on to something else.

Peace,
Hana

 

[جوري]

Do you consider yourself to be a good person? If so are you good enough to go to heaven? Have you obeyed God's mpral laws perfectly

Have you?

1)"You shall have no other gods before me."

so why do you take Jesus and the 'holy spirit' for Gods?

Have you ever put something in your life before God. You have broken this commandment if on a list of your priorities God is not number 1.

Do you?

2)"You shall not make for yourself any idols."

Why is there a statue of Jesus in every church? and between bratz dolls.. is that your God at wallmart? Why do you comission artists to use dead w h o r e s to depict the virgin mary? caravaggio death of the virgin

If you have an idea of God that is not one of scripture, a God not described in the bible, then you are worshipping a fasle god, an idol. You have broken this commandment if you make God into what you want God to be and not what he is. Pride is also another form of idolatory.

well you only have yourselves to thank for the mockery that Paul has made of his commandments..

3)"You shall not take the name of God in vain."

I see many christians do so every day.. a crying shame

4)"Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy."

Do you keep the sabbath holy? sabath is saturday youm asabt.

If you haven't ALWAYS set aside 1 out of 7 days for God you have broken this commandment.

Muslims dedicate every day five times a day to God not just one!

5)"Honor your father ad your mother."

Have you EVER disobeyed your parents? Once is enough. That would be breaking this commandment.

indeed

6)"You shall not murder."

What is America doing in Afghanistan, and Iraq while keeping the ultimate goal on Iran?

This one seems easy, but Jesus said if you hate someone you are guilty of murder. Have you EVER hated someone WITHOUT CAUSE? That would be breaking this commandment.

You got to make rounds on various blogs then and undo all that hatred toward Muslims or do they not count?

7)"You shall not commit adultery."

I find this the most refreshing, considering half of the girls in my catholic high school were knocked up and pregnant before they even turned 14!

This is one seems like another one you may have kept, but Jesus said if you look at someone with lust in heart then you have committed adultery. Ever thought about another person with lust? Have you desired someone sexually. It's ok to appreciate the beauty but did you ever have an intent have having illegitimate sex with himor her? Then you broke this one too.

You'd have to censor half of the programming here, practically 90% of sexual relations on TV break those commandments (for a nation under God) not very puritanical-- a shame

8)"You shall not steal."

Anything you have taken that is not yours without permission is stealing. A crayan or a car, both if taken without permission are stolen. If you have done that then you have broken number 8.

we can only hope..

Please examine yourself with a sincere heart......If you truly love your God then please examine yourself I request you.

hope you do the same

cheers

 

[john316]

Have you?


so why do you take Jesus and the 'holy spirit' for Gods?


Do you?


Why is there a statue of Jesus in every church? and between bratz dolls.. is that your God at wallmart? Why do you comission artists to use dead w h o r e s to depict the virgin mary? caravaggio death of the virgin


well you only have yourselves to thank for the mockery that Paul has made of his commandments..

I see many christians do so every day.. a crying shame


Do you keep the sabbath holy? sabath is saturday youm asabt.

Muslims dedicate every day five times a day to God not just one!

indeed


What is America doing in Afghanistan, and Iraq while keeping the ultimate goal on Iran?


You got to make rounds on various blogs then and undo all that hatred toward Muslims or do they not count?


I find this the most refreshing, considering half of the girls in my catholic high school were knocked up and pregnant before they even turned 14!


You'd have to censor half of the programming here, practically 90% of sexual relations on TV break those commandments (for a nation under God) not very puritanical-- a shame

we can only hope..








hope you do the same

cheers

I have taken this test. And I have found out that I have broken every one of these ten commandments

I never always put God first in my life.
I made up my own version of god in my life. a god with whom i am more comfortable with.
I never always set one day aside for God.
I never always honoured my parents.
I use to hate people and show respect for persons.
I never had an intercourse. But I use to be a pornagrapher, masturbater
I remember trying to steal.
I lied a lot
I use to covet other people's lifestyle.

That's all I did my entire life nothing but sin. Even my best noblest works were like filthy rags not enough to please. Isaiah 64:6.

All I deserved was God's holy wrath of hell. God is holy and I was sinner. God hates wickedness and has to punish. An eternity in hell is just a sign of offending a holy God and the seriousness of sin. Satan commoted just one sin to be kicked out of heaven. I am no different. But God did not want me perish. I came to repentance but I had to pay for my sins in eternity. Which is why God(Jesus) became a man, humbled himself, walked a blameless life. but laid down his life for me.(John 10:17-18). suffered and died on the cross. suffered in hell and rose on the third day. It's as simple as this I broke the law. Jesus paid my fine. I am saved not by my own works by by God's grace through faith. Grace applies to my past sins that has been repented off. I cannot turn God's grace to a license to immorality(Jude 4) or else he will take that away(Hebrews 10:26-31). I am a living sacrfice t my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. God is no respector of persons. The God of the old testament in no different from the God of the new testament. Israel was God's people for a long time. but they were acting like the world smelling like the world, doing the things that God hates that God literaaly divorced them. He is no different.

Matthew 7:13-28
13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
A Tree and Its Fruit
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

The Wise and Foolish Builders
24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

 

[جوري]

????

what this all about?

 

[john316]

that is what i believe and that is what i cant deny.

 

[جوري]

Ok.. congratulations. I wish you well on your path..

cheers

 

[mohsen1985]

OBJECTION #10. Jesus can't be God, since God can't die!

ANSWER: Remember, Jesus isn't only God by nature, but also man! Jesus could die as any other human, because He became man (and still is man) besides being God by NATURE.

"He became man and is still man besides being God by NATURE" . . . So when he died, God died. How can he resurrect himself after being dead?^o)

 

[john316]

you have to consider the 11 objections I posted earlier and some other rebuttals from me that follow in this thread itself. I think it is from page 10 or 11

 

[Mikayeel]

WE came to a conlclusion! JESES is not god! (it works fine for me) its like saying an ant is an elephant??? HUH ye HUH!!!!

 

[john316]

prove it.

 

[Mikayeel]

Prove that an ant is not an elephant?? That requires some basic knowledge and and some faith!(and a tiny but of understanding/wisdom)

 

[john316]

you need some evidennce rather than just a random statement. Even the least educated know that an ant is not an elephant.

And you know what
For with God nothing will be impossible.
-Luke 1:37

 

[mohsen1985]

you need some evidennce rather than just a random statement. Even the least educated know that an ant is not an elephant.

And you know what
For with God nothing will be impossible.
-Luke 1:37

hmmmm, so answer me these questions:

Can God create a human being (or any other creature for that matter) so powerful, that he himself will not be able to destroy?

Can God create a rock so big that he won't be able to lift it?

Can God fit the universe in a regular sized egg?

 

[john316]

The humble side of God
Phillipians 2:5-7
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men

The powerful side of God
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.