100s killed in Darfur in August

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justahumane said:
Well brother, its simple maths if u wish to understand.

1. Number of casualities and sufferings in Darfur is undoubtedly greater than number of casualities and sufferings elsewhere.

2. Number of post in this forum voicing concern about Darfur is many times less than number of posts concering killings and sufferings of muslims elsewhere.


Does this ring the bell?

If yes, than its never too late to wake up brother.

And this is certainly not the critaria, but just a humble attempt to show U the reality of muslim world. U wont see a big difference elsewhere regarding this issue. I bet.

Thanks.
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Now you see there i do not agree as stated there are many who talk about dafur however as stated its an internal affair if muslim kills muslim we arent happy but when others are killing muslims what are we suppoused to do!? also you state the people killed in dafur are greater than anywhere else ccan you show where you got this from as i dont think it adds up...

second this is not a muslim thing bro as we can blame christians for killing christians within there own land bu5t again tat is not pointed at as a religous matter more of an internal matter you could say many christians dont care for there homeless yet we say americans r british but we dont link there religon so why the case with muslims!? why not say no one in africa seems to care or in saudi!?

yet still its pointed at muslims...thats based around religon and that is not needed.

as i said many muslims are doing something to help...

if you have alot of concern then all i can say is do your best to help via charity etc its not going to help pointing fingers at religon as it does not make sense in this case either way.
 
Woodrow said:
1. Number of casualities and sufferings in Darfur is undoubtedly greater than number of casualities and sufferings elsewhere.

I believe if you check out the past 20 years of Iran and Iraq you will find much more casualties. Although the current situation has produced many, going back over the past 20 years you will find there has been continuous internal strive, the death toll has been much larger there.

No, the death toll in Darfur should not be overlooked, but it is not greater than what it has been in other places.

2. Number of post in this forum voicing concern about Darfur is many times less than number of posts concering killings and sufferings of muslims elsewhere.

This thread has recieved sufficient views to keep it on the first page longer then any other recent thread. The number of posts and views are in the higher numbers of the majority of threads, in the "World Affairs" section.

Does this ring the bell?

If yes, than its never too late to wake up brother.

And this is certainly not the critaria, but just a humble attempt to show U the reality of muslim world. U wont see a big difference elsewhere regarding this issue. I bet.



There are probably more international and Muslim organizations involved in the welfare of Darfur than any other current conflict. The problem is not the lack of concern, but the inability for anyone to find a successfull solution. No, Muslims around the world have not just simply thrown their hands up in the air and given up. It is just that external influence is not very effective for ending internal conflict.


Just a few of the groups (Muslim and Non-Muslim, the Non-Muslim ones also have a significant number of Muslims involved) that have been engaged in bringing peace to Darfur and the problems they have run into:


Sudan Aid
Darfur, Sudan - 10,000 Facing Death 2 Million Homeless. Donate.
www.WorldVision.org


Stop Genocide in Darfur
Take Action Today and Demand UN Peacekeepers in Darfur
www.savedarfur.org



Sudanese governrment and rebel groups agree to end war
Adam Sherif, a Darfur refugee living at Gaga camp in east. ... agencies hope the
agreement will pave the way for relief groups to bring aid to the region, ...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/05/05/MNGTMILKIS67DTL

NEWS ANALYSIS / Rebel groups' snub threatens new pact for peace in ...
The Darfur peace deal the Sudanese government and a major rebel group signed on
Friday ... will pave the way for relief groups to bring aid to the region, ...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/05/06/MNGUUIMR571.DTL


Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | It was meant to bring peace ...
It was meant to bring peace. Instead, British-brokered deal has rekindled war In
Darfur's refugee camps, survivors tell of attacks by rebel groups that used ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sudan/story/0,,1884432,00.html


CAFOD : News and events : News : Darfur 2004-09-16
Bringing aid to Darfur: Thanks to the extraordinary generosity of ... are being
equipped and stocked with food for under-fives and other vulnerable groups. ...
http://www.cafod.org.uk/news_and_events/news/darfur_2004_09_16

Bring Humanitarian Aid to War-Torn Darfur Petition
Increased violence between rival rebel groups in Sudan has put millions of Darfur
... Note: This Bring Humanitarian Aid to War-Torn Darfur petition was ...
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/891099140


Groups raise tribal leaders' suspicions - Boston.com
International aid groups are increasingly relying on local NGOs to bring long-term
relief to Darfur, a region of western Sudan where more than 2,5 million ...
http://www.boston.com/news/world/mi...10/05/groups_raise_tribal_leaders_suspicions/

Oxfam America: Frequently Asked Questions
The Darfur Peace Agreement, signed in May, 2006 between the government and one
of the now numerous rebel groups, has yet to bring security to Darfur. ...
http://www.oxfamamerica.org/whatwedo/emergencies/sudan/faqs

Aid workers in Darfur persevere against violence and suspicion ...
International aid groups have withdrawn from large sections of Darfur, ...
El Sallam's refugee leaders on Wednesday before bringing in the Sudanese workers. ...
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/04/africa/AF_GEN_Sudan_Darfur_Aid.php

allAfrica.com: Sudan: Unicef Takes Out Loans to Bring Aid to ...
Sudan: Unicef Takes Out Loans to Bring Aid to Darfur: Less Than 'One Piece of
... People are living in very close quarters in groups anywhere from just a ...
http://allafrica.com/stories/200406240867.html

United Nations - OCHA IRIN | Web Special | Sudan: A future without ...
We have a list of atrocities committed by the rebel groups - killing, raping,
looting, destroying development projects. In South Darfur, they have been ...
http://www.irinnews.org/webspecials/SudanDarfur/Int-GHAC.asp


There are many, many more. This has been an issue that the Muslim Ummah and the rest of the world has been trying to end for the past 20 years. It is not that Darfur is overlooked and ignored, it is the simple fact that nothing has worked yet.





Probably the fastest way to end the conflict would be for an outside force to invade and conquer both sides and set up a dictatorship. However, I doubt if many would want that as a solution.
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What more is there to say....

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Rou said:
Now you see there i do not agree as stated there are many who talk about dafur however as stated its an internal affair if muslim kills muslim we arent happy but when others are killing muslims what are we suppoused to do!? also you state the people killed in dafur are greater than anywhere else ccan you show where you got this from as i dont think it adds up...

second this is not a muslim thing bro as we can blame christians for killing christians within there own land bu5t again tat is not pointed at as a religous matter more of an internal matter you could say many christians dont care for there homeless yet we say americans r british but we dont link there religon so why the case with muslims!? why not say no one in africa seems to care or in saudi!?

yet still its pointed at muslims...thats based around religon and that is not needed.

as i said many muslims are doing something to help...

if you have alot of concern then all i can say is do your best to help via charity etc its not going to help pointing fingers at religon as it does not make sense in this case either way.
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We will continue our discussion InshAllah brother, but first plz justify ur comments in bold, where I pointed finger at religion? my posts are still there on the thread, unedited. Plz let me know where I strayed from actual path of discussion to pointing fingers.

Thanks
 
justahumane said:
We will continue our discussion InshAllah brother, but first plz justify ur comments in bold, where I pointed finger at religion? my posts are still there on the thread, unedited. Plz let me know where I strayed from actual path of discussion to pointing fingers.

Thanks
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Brother byt mentioning muslims in the equation instead of stating clearly that its between the black and arab factions it indicates you seem to think this is a religous issue!? as stated the people involoved are both of muslim background this seems a race issue more than a religous one...

also stating that muslims are not doing enough again this pin points muslims as per there religon not doing enough for muslims who are black!? in islam there are no such barriers...its a fact that this is an internal issue i agree it should be sorted out but external powers getting involved on normal basis has always shown negative results not postive..

anyhow as i have stated muslims are not one group we are far and wide alot of us care about what is happening and alot of us dont this is the way of things many muslims ignore iraq and afgan and dafur but that is in all religons and races to be expected...

no ones perfect
 
Sudanese army calls U.N. envoy a military threat
http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...N-DARFUR.xml&WTmodLoc=IntNewsHome_C1_[Feed]-9
KHARTOUM (Reuters) - Sudan's armed forces said the continued presence of the United Nations' top envoy in Sudan posed a danger to the army after comments he made about two major army losses in battles with Darfur rebels.
Jan Pronk said on his Web site that the army had suffered two major defeats, generals had been sacked and demoralized soldiers had refused service in North Darfur in recent weeks.
The Sudanese military statement said Pronk was intervening in the affairs of the armed forces and cooperating with the rebels to wage a psychological war against the army.
"We think that the presence of Jan Pronk in Sudan represents a military danger to the Sudan armed forces in ... carrying out its duties," said the statement, released on Friday.
The statement accused Pronk of undermining the army by "casting doubt on the ability of the Sudanese Armed Forces to protect the Sudanese people and defend the state".
One army source elaborated saying the armed forces were asking President Omar Hassan al-Bashir, a military man himself, to take the "necessary procedures" against Pronk, which could include asking him to leave the country.
 
As badly as they need some one to intercede and how many have tried to interced. Intercession is seldom ever welcomed and so far I never heard of it working.

This is not a fault of the people of the Sudan, it has occured in every nation I have seen any intercession. People have a very strong desire for self determination and typicaly they will be against anyone who tries to help them if they feel the self determination is threatened. People seem to prefer dieing at the hands of their brothers than to be helped by an outsider.
 
Woodrow said:
As badly as they need some one to intercede and how many have tried to interced. Intercession is seldom ever welcomed and so far I never heard of it working.

This is not a fault of the people of the Sudan, it has occured in every nation I have seen any intercession. People have a very strong desire for self determination and typicaly they will be against anyone who tries to help them if they feel the self determination is threatened. People seem to prefer dieing at the hands of their brothers than to be helped by an outsider.
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if helped in the correct way i beleive changes can take place unfortunatly with the current economic status and world shift of power i doubt anyone is there to help in the right way indeed only end up making it worse...

i hope in the future we do have an impartial power that would help stop things like this happening or at least delegate between the two fairly instead of looking at which will be the greater economic benefit or future ally...

it should be based on the comfort of the people and saftey of there innocents not the lining of the already full pockets...
 
Rou said:
Brother byt mentioning muslims in the equation instead of stating clearly that its between the black and arab factions it indicates you seem to think this is a religous issue!? as stated the people involoved are both of muslim background this seems a race issue more than a religous one...

also stating that muslims are not doing enough again this pin points muslims as per there religon not doing enough for muslims who are black!? in islam there are no such barriers...its a fact that this is an internal issue i agree it should be sorted out but external powers getting involved on normal basis has always shown negative results not postive..

anyhow as i have stated muslims are not one group we are far and wide alot of us care about what is happening and alot of us dont this is the way of things many muslims ignore iraq and afgan and dafur but that is in all religons and races to be expected...

no ones perfect
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Brother I know its not a religious issue but a racial one. But that doesnt change the fact that believers are killing believers inspite of ALLAH's strict commands not to kill any believer. I conclude that those killers are munafiqeen who dont believe in ALLAH's commands. End.

Brother, My heart doesnt believe that the muslims are that much concerned, as they should be. Not even near to that. And to me its final till I get some concrete proof that muslims are really worried for their black bretherns.........I hope racism working here too.

Yes, but what I have observed so far about muslims, that they remain more or less passive when ppls of some other religion are killed, but become hyper active when some muslims get killed........and I have no issues with this too...........only I smell rat when Darfur doesnt get that much tears as it is supposed to be given the size of crisis.

And ALLAH knows best.
 
justahumane said:
Brother I know its not a religious issue but a racial one. But that doesnt change the fact that believers are killing believers inspite of ALLAH's strict commands not to kill any believer. I conclude that those killers are munafiqeen who dont believe in ALLAH's commands. End.

Brother, My heart doesnt believe that the muslims are that much concerned, as they should be. Not even near to that. And to me its final till I get some concrete proof that muslims are really worried for their black bretherns.........I hope racism working here too.

Yes, but what I have observed so far about muslims, that they remain more or less passive when ppls of some other religion are killed, but become hyper active when some muslims get killed........and I have no issues with this too...........only I smell rat when Darfur doesnt get that much tears as it is supposed to be given the size of crisis.

And ALLAH knows best.
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Indeed allah knows best...

as stated many muslim charities give to dafur...

many muslims talk about dafur brother and what to do about it just as they do about iraq and afgan etc...

in the end bro i live in uk and i dont see many westerners talking of dafur let alone know where it even is...

all i can say is you say many muslims...i am a muslim brother and i care let us not judge the whole world on the bases of a few..indeed there are bad people in the muslim community but no worse than any other community...

it is just as equal to any other race not caring bro..

but as you stated allah knows best...
 
Rou said:
Indeed allah knows best...

as stated many muslim charities give to dafur...

many muslims talk about dafur brother and what to do about it just as they do about iraq and afgan etc...

in the end bro i live in uk and i dont see many westerners talking of dafur let alone know where it even is...

all i can say is you say many muslims...i am a muslim brother and i care let us not judge the whole world on the bases of a few..indeed there are bad people in the muslim community but no worse than any other community...

it is just as equal to any other race not caring bro..

but as you stated allah knows best...
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Well I think that we have reached to an agreement between us on this issue with this post of urs.
 

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