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As Obama said, bad enough overseas, but when it happens on US soil...

All we can do is hope God, the supreme judge, adminsters justice to the evil, sadistic perpetrator of this crime.
 
Shooting raises fears for Muslims in US army

An army major accused of firing on and killing fellow soldiers in Texas is a US-born Muslim.

The reasons for the shooting are not clear, but Major Nidal Malik Hasan was reported to be unhappy at alleged racial abuse he had received.


The BBC's Penny Spiller considers how it may affect the thousands of Muslims in the US military?

Major Nidal Malik Hasan is a career soldier with some 20 years experience, who had trained as a psychiatrist and treated troops returning from combat.

He is also reported to be a devout Muslim, who attended daily prayers at a mosque and was seen on the morning of the shooting wearing traditional Arabic dress as he shopped for groceries.

His relatives said he had become disillusioned with US military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and strongly opposed his own imminent deployment to Afghanistan.

He had also long wanted to leave the army after suffering harassment because of his religion, they said.

Whatever the motivation, the tragedy at Fort Hood army base highlights the sensitivities surrounding the issue of American Muslims serving in the US armed forces.

Kamran Memon of the organisation Muslims For a Safe America says the subject splits America's Muslim community down the middle.

"Those at one end of the spectrum say we should have nothing to do with the US armed forces as they are involved in wars with our fellow Muslims abroad," he told the BBC.

"Those at the other end say we should definitely serve and help defend our country against those who wish to attack it.

"There is no easy answer to this. We are trying to encourage American Muslims to learn about these issues and use their critical thinking skills to reach informed conclusions so that we can become greater participants in the debate about national security issues."

Fuelled tensions


Mr Memon says the vast majority of Muslim citizens in America are "able to live peaceful lives", even though they have probably suffered some discrimination, if only a hostile look, since the 11 September 2001 attacks.

He believes that this will also be true of those Muslims who serve in the US armed forces.

However, there have been some high profile incidents in recent years that have fuelled tensions.

At a camp in Kuwait, as his unit prepared to move into Iraq in March 2003, Sergeant Hasan Akbar threw hand grenades and opened fire on a tent full of sleeping soldiers in the early hours of the morning.

He killed two officers and injured 14 other personnel.

His family said he had been suffering religious and racial harassment from other soldiers, although no witnesses were provided at his trial. The prosecution described him as a "hate-filled, ideologically driven murderer".

Also in 2003, a Muslim chaplain at Guantanamo Bay, Captain James Yee, was accused of espionage and kept in solitary confinement for 76 days before all the charges were dropped.

He was given an honourable discharge - but not an apology - from the army a year later. The case outraged Muslim Americans who felt Captain Yee had been singled out because of his religion.

'Sad fact'


It is not clear exactly how many Muslims serve in the 1.4 million-strong US armed forces, as recruits are not required to state their religion.

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We have a diverse armed forces, and whatever their religion our troops have a part to play, and they play it very well
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Lt Col Nathan Banks
Army spokesman


According to the Pentagon, there are 3,572 Muslims in active service. However, some Muslims in the military say the real number is as high as 20,000.

The US government has made no secret of the fact that it would like to see more people from Arab and Muslim communities joining the armed forces.

More American Muslim troops on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan has long been seen as a vital part in helping the US in its missions to win hearts and minds in those countries.

"They are a great asset to the army," Lt Col Nathan Banks, army spokesman for the Pentagon, told the BBC.

"When they do deploy they help facilitate a lot of our missions. American Muslims in the army work hand in hand with local Muslims, and we welcome that."

He said the army did not foresee heightened tensions within its ranks as a result of Fort Hood.

"This was an isolated incident. Our hearts go out to everyone affected by this, but the army will stay strong. We have a diverse armed forces, and whatever their religion our troops have a part to play, and they play it very well."

But anti-Muslim sentiment is being felt as a result of the shooting. The Arab-American Institute - which condemned the massacre - said it had received at least one threatening phone call, and expected more.

One soldier at the Texas base admitted the coming days would be tough for his Muslim colleagues.

"They've taken it hard due to the fact that it kind of puts a negative light on them and makes people distrust them," he told the BBC.

"Because everybody is going to look at them [and think]: "Well, you're probably going to pull something like this. And it's a sad fact that that will happen".

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I think he just lost it. Kinda bizarre that he is a psychiatrist. :hmm:
 
:sl: Brother,

Oh not again another Conspiracy Theory in advance.

Sadly, my sympathy goes to Family and Friends of the fallen soldiers. :hmm:

There is more news coming another day after FortHood Shooting. Races still EXISTS in America, CNN seems too focus on this Jordanian guy alive due to his Muslim name, other two suspects didn't mention name yet?.

Suspect caught after shooting spree that killed 1 at Orlando engineering firm.
 
That brings bad advertisement to multiculturalism in army.
 
I guess we won't know his motives until he recovers but, there seems to be a couple allegations floating around. If this is about him going to the middle east, I would assume he, being in the military, would have thought about this as being a possibility in his future with them? I don't know, guess it would be hard to say without hearing it from him.
 
Yes indeed. Very sad. Yet.......

There was so much emphasis on the Palestinian origins of the killer. I may be wrong but all these coincidences that are occuring before the Goldstone conclusions. I'm referring to the arms "found" by the Israeli military in the international seas....... But I'm straying now. Sorry.


S.
 
actually I had CNN on all day, was watching as it broke and it was reported quite early on that he was a follower of Islam, they spoke with one of his cousins who made the accusation that Major Hasan was discriminated against in the military for being muslim; so I have to disagree with your comment that it was not even mentioned yesterday but all of a sudden today..... P.S. I thought you lived in Texas not ND, have you moved????
 
they spoke with one of his cousins who made the accusation that Major Hasan was discriminated against in the military for being muslim

Yes, I read a story that said he had his car keyed and bumper sticker vandalized by some idiot because he was Muslim. I don't remember exactly what the bumper sticker said, but it was something along the lines of "Allah is Love".

Uncomfirmed rumors say that he yelled out "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire.
 
actually I had CNN on all day, was watching as it broke and it was reported quite early on that he was a follower of Islam, they spoke with one of his cousins who made the accusation that Major Hasan was discriminated against in the military for being muslim; so I have to disagree with your comment that it was not even mentioned yesterday but all of a sudden today..... P.S. I thought you lived in Texas not ND, have you moved????

The news I was watching on TV was coming out of Rapid City South Dakota. Seems it was a bit behind. I now started looking at Reuters and AP on line. Getting more up to date. haven't heard anything from my Daughter in Austin yet to see how it is impacting the local area there.
 
I personally believe that a Muslim can not remain in the military. It is not a place for him or her to be. It is completely opposite of what our religion stands for.

Wa Allaahu a'lam
 
I personally believe that a Muslim can not remain in the military. It is not a place for him or her to be. It is completely opposite of what our religion stands for.

Wa Allaahu a'lam

I have mixed feelings about that. While I agree with what you are saying I also think if the US military had a larger Muslim presence, especially in the Officer ranks, we probably never would have been in Iraq or Afghanistan.
 
I personally believe that a Muslim can not remain in the military. It is not a place for him or her to be. It is completely opposite of what our religion stands for.

Wa Allaahu a'lam

Any military? Or just the military of countries that are not majority Muslim?
 
Muslims at Fort Voice Outrage

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KILLEEN, Tex. — Leaders of the vibrant Muslim community here expressed outrage on Friday at the shooting rampage being laid to one of their members, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who had become a regular attendee of prayers at the local mosque.

But some of the men who had befriended Major Hasan at the mosque said the military should examine the policies that might have caused him to snap.

“When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal
,” said Victor Benjamin II, 30, a former member of the Army. “But when a Muslim does it, they call it jihad.

“Ultimately it was Brother Nidal’s doing, but the command should be held accountable,” Mr. Benjamin said. “G.I.’s are like any equipment in the Army. When it breaks, those who were in charge of keeping it fit should be held responsible for it.”

The mosque, the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, sits off Highway 195, near Fort Hood. Major Hasan began attending prayers about two months ago.

The mosque has about 75 families who have lived peacefully with their Christian neighbors.

“After 9/11, nothing happened here,” said Ajsaf Khan, who owns three convenience stores with his brother, Abdul Khan. “We are very cooperative.”

A mosque leader, Dr. Manzoor Farooqi, a pediatrician, when asked if he feared retribution for the shootings, said he hoped good relations would prevail.

Major Hasan was one of about 10 men from Fort Hood who attended prayers in their uniforms, Dr. Farooqi said, and he was shocked to see the major’s face on television identified as that of the gunman. “He is an educated man. A psychiatrist,” he said. “I can’t believe he would do such a stupid thing.”

“I have no words to explain what happened yesterday,” Dr. Farooqi said at Friday afternoon prayers, in which about 40 men were led by the mosque’s imam, Syed Ahmed Ali. “Let’s have a moment of silence to bless those who lost their life.”

“The Islamic community strongly condemns this cowardly attack, which was particularly heinous in that it was directed at the all-volunteer army that protects our nation,” Dr. Farooqi said.

Nihad Awad, the national executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said, “We reiterate the American Muslim community’s condemnation of this cowardly attack. Right now, we call on all Americans to assist those who are responding to this atrocity. We must ensure that the wounded are treated and the families of those who were murdered have an opportunity to mourn.”

Among those attending Friday prayers at the Killeen mosque was Sgt. Fahad Kamal, 26, an Army medic who wore his Airborne uniform, and later he said he was angered on several levels. “I want to believe it was the individual, and not the religion, that made him do what he did,” said Sergeant Kamal, who returned to the United States last year after a 15-month tour in Afghanistan. “It’s an awful thing. I feel let down. We’re better than this.”

It was Major Hasan, though, who increasingly felt let down by the military, and deeply conflicted by his religion, said those who knew him through the mosque. Duane Reasoner Jr., an 18-year-old substitute teacher whose parents worked at Fort Hood, said Major Hassan was told he would be sent to Afghanistan on Nov. 28, and he did not like it.

“He said he should quit the Army
,” Mr. Reasoner said. “In the Koran, you’re not supposed to have alliances with Jews or Christian or others, and if you are killed in the military fighting against Muslims, you will go to hell.”

Mr. Benjamin, who worked as a private contractor in Iraq and Afghanistan after leaving the Army in 2000, said the military should have let Major Hassan resign. “They should take more consideration of the human beings in the uniform,” he said, “rather than simply say, ‘We invested our money in you and need to get our money’s worth.’ ”

Still, Mr. Benjamin added, Major Hassan had overlooked an important, and peaceable, tenet of Islam. “We do have the right to retaliate,” he said, “but he who does not is twice blessed.”

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