12 shot dead at US millitary base

[Ramadhan]

When this story first broke, I remember thinking, "I really, really, really hope the shooter wasn't a Muslim."

I think it is clear that, for whatever reason, Hasan was motivated by a Salafi-style ideology. Reports say he shouted "Allahu ackbar" as he shot everyone. I think it's safe to say that he saw his act as a form of jihad.

Obviously there were other factors. I've read reports that he's gotten more and more extreme in his religious beliefs. And he has been discriminated against and been subject to abuse for those beliefs before—which probably further radicalized him. But it's not hard to see how someone with Salafi-style ideology would see the soldiers Hasan killed as part of the "other side." They were, after all, being deployed to places where they would probably end up killing Muslims.
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I did not know Hassan follows "salafi-style" ideology.
and what is "salafi-style" ideology?
and how did you know Hasan saw his act as a form of jihad?
Where did you get all these information from?

 

[Woodrow]

As Br. Woodrow said, he was a walking time bomb and he should have been discharged. Anyone (or group of people) not discharging him are either stupid or they had another motive in their mind.

Possibly another motive on their minds. But, maybe not as sinister as it looks like. Since he was a commissioned officer with over 10 years service time he would have received full salary and benefits if given a medical discharge. I suspect too many commanders are budget conscious and none were willing to stick out their neck for him to receive that. An O-4(Major) rank is more then a few dollars a month. His medical retirement salary would be $6,025 per month with annual increases for life.

 

[Supreme]

America and Britain have always been societies built on plunder and imperialism. That's why the world has always been in a state of despair and misery. But what I think is going on now in regards to the Iraq invasion is not primarily about plunder. They have just sacrificed far more than what the return was WORTH. I also disagree that the US and UK are not involved in a Zionist war. They quite clearly are. However, this is not the only factor at play either. If it was, then countries such as North Korea would not be incessantly bullied as well, so I do agree that the USA's war against Islam is not the ONLY motivation.

More precisely it's to do with destroying all other cultures and propagating the "American way" right throughout the planet and inculcating Anglo-American ideas and values. Yes, the invasion of Iraq would have been PARTLY to do with plunder, but that motive was only peripheral. The MAIN directive in the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan is the USA's and UK's strategic positioning towards the ultimate invasion of Russia and China. Their aim is for the New World Order to become a reality. So it's big picture stuff. That's why they were trying so hard to get into Poland and Czechoslovakia with their missile bases (while using "Iran" as a completely pitiful excuse for the motivation). One can easily see a clear pattern with the invasion, occupation and manipulation of Asian and Eastern European countries closely bordering Russia. I admit that the USA's war on Islam is not the ONLY motive. There are several motives, but mere plunder for its own sake is not really worth all the trouble. It's when every single motive is added together that has made it seem worth it to them to invade Iraq. Unbeknownst to them though, they are clearly set to fail if they think they can ever be victorious against Russia. The day they attack Russia and China will really be the day that the USA's and UK's delusions of grandeur are finally realised!

Oh, however did you work out our evil plans to conquer the world?

In all seriousness though, I don't think the presumed 'war on Islam' is the West's only reason for a zionist stance. You have to consider economic reasons (Israel is an economically viable trading partner), history (the West has always felt bad for its anti semitism) and now the fact Israel is a nuclear power, with the best pieces of military hardware in the world, it seems in the best interests of the West to maintain its friendly relationship with Israel. Oh, and there's also the small fact that the Christian dominated West, when creating Israel, had to push out the Palestinians, who at the time were 30% Christian. So the war against Islam wasn't exclusively against Muslims.

Also, wouldn't attacking Russia and China be bad for countries with a war against Islam? Besides, Russia is practically carrying out genocide against Muslims in Chechnya just as bad as the Israelis are in the Middle East, and China is overtly Islamophobic. The State control of Islam and the riots against the predominantly Uighurs this year proves it.

Russia and China are always protrayed to be the best of allies in their opposition to the West, although the two don't always get along very well.

 

[Humbler_359]

^ Assalamu Alaikum brother Supreme, for just curiousity, I find your signature regarding Heaven where Gardens beneath which rivers flow , are you telling us Islam is the truth despite you Christian?

:wa:

 

[Supreme]

^ Assalamu Alaikum brother Supreme, for just curiousity, I find your signature regarding Heaven where Gardens beneath which rivers flow , are you telling us Islam is the truth despite you Christian?

:wa:

Peace;

Even though I am a Christian, I feel that verse is completely compatible with my Christian beliefs. For in Christianity, we too believe that the believers will be admitted to Heaven by God. I would've liked to have posted the whole two verses, but this forum has some annoying rules that prevent signatures from being over 300 words. You don't have to be a Muslim to appreciate the beauty and truth found in the Quran.

 

[titus]

and how did you know Hasan saw his act as a form of jihad?

From the snippets of information we have about things that he has written, said and done. He has started talking so maybe we will be able to know for sure one way or another here soon, but all the evidence we have now surely seems to point to that conclusion.

 

[Chuck]

From the snippets of information we have about things that he has written, said and done. He has started talking so maybe we will be able to know for sure one way or another here soon, but all the evidence we have now surely seems to point to that conclusion.

what evidence?

 

[MartyrX]

what evidence?

I believe the poster is referencing the eyewitness reports of him yelling out "Allah Akbar" before he started shooting. I don't know if I believe what is being reported as these eyewitnesses could have been coached into saying these things, but I don't know.

 

[Rabi Mansur]

Fox News was reporting that he had attempted to make contact with Al Qaeda. If that is true, it sure makes me wonder why they didn't boot him out of the military a long time ago. Is it possible they knew this and were planning on using him as a decoy at some point?

Lots of unanswered questions.

 

[titus]

what evidence?

People that knew him have said he constantly claimed that the US was at war against Islam, that he was in contact with an Imam that glorifies acts such as this (who has since publically called him a hero), and that he posted on message boards arguing in support of suicide bombings.

 

[amalteser]

I find the muslim 'denial' and 'conspiracy theory' defence for these murders very enlightening!!!
Why not face the ugly truth!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs&

 

[Chuck]

People that knew him have said he constantly claimed that the US was at war against Islam, that he was in contact with an Imam that glorifies acts such as this (who has since publically called him a hero), and that he posted on message boards arguing in support of suicide bombings.

And that makes him salafi how exactly?

 

[Uthman]

This has certainly had a lot of coverage. Here are some more articles:

Some saw trouble ahead with Hasan

Obama acts as anti-Muslim anger threatens to engulf US

Homeland chief warns against anti-Muslim backlash

Muslim students share thoughts on Fort Hood shooting

Muslims in Boston condemn killer’s ‘pure criminal act’

Army chief fears backlash for Muslim U.S. soldiers

‘Our cousin was not a terrorist ...’

Fort Hood and the new McCarthyism

Complications Grow for Muslims Serving in U.S. Military

Army Gains with Muslim Soldiers May Be Lost

Islamic leader condemns Fort Hood violence

Officials investigate Fort Hood suspect's possible ties to Muslim preacher (Not sure what to make of this one - It talks about Imaam Anwar Awlaki)

In Light of Ft. Hood Shootings: Growing Religious Influence in the Military & PTSD

The Tragedy of Nidal Hasan’s Fort Hood Shootings: Media Discipline & Muslim Condemnations

 

[Woodrow]

Tomorrow I will be able to tell you there is any noticeable Backlash in North Dakota and South Dakota. I don't expect to find any. Aabidah has a doctor's appointment at Fort Mead,today we will be leaving for it shortly, 6 hour drive one way. We will be wearing Sunnah clothing as we always do.

After the Fort Mead Appointment we will be going into Rapid City for grocery shopping. Rapid City is one of the largest Cities in South Dakota and is a Tourist Area because of Mt Rushmore. This time of year there will be many tourists who come to South Dakota to visit Rushmore, Hunting and Fishing. Quite a few Hunters will be in the area as it is now Deer, Elk, Turkey and Buffalo season. We will be passing through 3 Reservations, Pine Oglala Sioux Reservation, Cheyenne River Lakota Sioux Reservation and the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe (famous as being the last home of the Great Hunkapaka Sioux Chief and Warrior Tatanka-Iyotanka (called Sitting Bull by the white men) We definetly won't have any problems on the Rez's as they are Quite pro Muslim although only a few have reverted to Islam.

We don't anticipate any problems anyplace as the people here are very tolerant to others.

 

[I<3Bush]

And that makes him salafi how exactly?

Unfortunately, whenever something negative pops up in the media about Islam, it is always like talking to a brick wall when it comes to explaining stuff like suicide bombings, terrorist attacks, etc. as being against our beliefs. The funny thing about it is, people always say that Muslims don't do enough to condemn such acts yet, all the Muslims who go on t.v to do so seem to be overlooked.. Go figure. I think regardless, people will always believe what they want to no matter what.

 

[Woodrow]

Unfortunately, whenever something negative pops up in the media about Islam, it is always like talking to a brick wall when it comes to explaining stuff like suicide bombings, terrorist attacks, etc. as being against our beliefs. The funny thing about it is, people always say that Muslims don't do enough to condemn such acts yet, all the Muslims who go on t.v to do so seem to be overlooked.. Go figure. I think regardless, people will always believe what they want to no matter what.

True. Sadly the news media thrives on drama. Peaceful dialogue and anti-terrorist protesting doesn't sell papers or air time blood and gore does. The Government here has no say over the media, sales and profit does.

 

[noorseeker]

But hasnt imam Anwar al Awlaqi called him a hero for what his done.

 

[aamirsaab]

I find the muslim 'denial' and 'conspiracy theory' defence for these murders very enlightening!!!
Why not face the ugly truth!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs&

Enough with the sweeping statements already! I'm a muslim; I haven't denied this event or called it a conspiracy theory of any sort - so I don't appreciate you hitting me with that blanket statement one bit.

FYI I'm actually still in shock at it because it's an incredibly terrible crime. Hopefully, the guy in question will get his legal punishment and justice will be done.

Secondly; how do you think I as a muslim who spends a lot of his time BUILDING bridges with non-muslims feels about this? It's extremely painful because: not only will I inevitably have to explain that this guy's actions are wrong islamically to probably countless amounts of people, I also have to work twice as harder than prior to this event to make people think hey muslims aren't all bad and this event was just a freak occurence (you try working twice as hard than mr joe average, then double that workload a day after because some prat screwed up!) - and I have to do this EVERY time some moron gets in the papers for doing something retarded like this.

I also feel great guilt and shame in this because innocent people died at the hands of a muslim --> a person who claimed to have been following the same path as me.

You don't realise how demoralising events like this are; I'm dealing with crap from muslims (like this chap) and crap from non-muslims (who think muslims like this chap are the norm). I have more than enough sh*t to deal with already - I don't need you hitting me with sweeping statements as well.

 

[GuestFellow]

I find the muslim 'denial' and 'conspiracy theory' defence for these murders very enlightening!!!
Why not face the ugly truth!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs&

What has that got to do with the topic? Yes the demonstrations were stupid and I acknowledge that. No one called this event a conspiracy. Plus I was freaked out myself when I saw those demonstrations :skeleton:

Now have you got anything useful to add to the topic? Or are you going to post another youtube video and go bwaaah all over us lol.

 

[amalteser]

Enough with the sweeping statements already! I'm a muslim; I haven't denied this event or called it a conspiracy theory of any sort - so I don't appreciate you hitting me with that blanket statement one bit.

FYI I'm actually still in shock at it because it's an incredibly terrible crime. Hopefully, the guy in question will get his legal punishment and justice will be done.

Secondly; how do you think I as a muslim who spends a lot of his time BUILDING bridges with non-muslims feels about this? It's extremely painful because: not only will I inevitably have to explain that this guy's actions are wrong islamically to probably countless amounts of people, I also have to work twice as harder than prior to this event to make people think hey muslims aren't all bad and this event was just a freak occurence (you try working twice as hard than mr joe average, then double that workload a day after because some prat screwed up!) - and I have to do this EVERY time some moron gets in the papers for doing something retarded like this. I also feel great guilt and shame in this because innocent people died at the hands of a muslim - a person who claimed to have been following the same path as me.

You don't realise how demoralising events like this are; I'm dealing with crap from muslims (like this chap) and crap from non-muslims (who think muslims like this chap are the norm). I have more than enough sh*t to deal with already - I don't need you hitting me with sweeping statements as well.

Calm down now!!!

If you look at all the posts so far, you will see that I am addressing those points made by some about 'denial' and 'conspiracy theory'!!!