12 shot dead at US millitary base

[GuestFellow]

Fox News was reporting that he had attempted to make contact with Al Qaeda. If that is true, it sure makes me wonder why they didn't boot him out of the military a long time ago. Is it possible they knew this and were planning on using him as a decoy at some point?

Lots of unanswered questions.

Forget Fox news. They're useless and provide drama.

 

[amalteser]

What has that got to do with the topic? Yes the demonstrations were stupid and I acknowledge that. No one called this event a conspiracy. Plus I was freaked out myself when I saw those demonstrations :skeleton:

Now have you got anything useful to add to the topic? Or are you going to post another youtube video and go bwaaah all over us lol.

Your reply shows typical misunderstanding, or may be not!!!

My point was, that there is a very significant amount of muslims(those who claim to be muslim,) who are terribly violent and who have a stand point of taking over the world for allah!!!
And that there is particular type of jihad which takes many forms and guises to achieve that end!!!
Now unless you live in a fantasy world, you must be aware of it!!!
And the youtube clip that I posted, shows one aspect of this!!!

What do you have to say about the muslims at that demonstration, how they behaved, what they chanted, what their banners said???

See what's happening in the Middle East!!!


MEMRI TV

http://www.memritv.org/

 

[cat eyes]

I believe the poster is referencing the eyewitness reports of him yelling out "Allah Akbar" before he started shooting. I don't know if I believe what is being reported as these eyewitnesses could have been coached into saying these things, but I don't know.

thats why i don't believe the full story we know what americans are like, absolute drama queens:rollseyes

 

[GuestFellow]

Your reply shows typical misunderstanding, or may be not!!!

Right.

My point was, that there is a very significant amount of muslims(those who claim to be muslim,) who are terribly violent and who have a stand point of taking over the world for allah!!!

Yes I know. But there are other countries that are violent too and spread democracy through bloodshed and fear. :/

And that there is particular type of jihad which takes many forms and guises to achieve that end!!!
Now unless you live in a fantasy world, you must be aware of it!!!
And the youtube clip that I posted, shows one aspect of this!!!

Okay...

What do you have to say about the muslims at that demonstration, how they behaved, what they chanted, what their banners said???
See what's happening in the Middle East!!!

A lot of things are happening in the Middle East. If Western countries would leave other countries alone then maybe we would stop seeing a rise with these crazy organisations. Western countries have created these problems and these problems are coming back to haunt them.

Unless if you start tackling these problems impartially, then these problems shall spiral out of control.

 

[titus]

And that makes him salafi how exactly?

I never said he was salafi. I was making a direct reply to someone who made a comment about whether or not this man saw this act as an act of jihad. In other words, did he do this for religious reasons.

thats why i don't believe the full story we know what americans are like, absolute drama queens

The poster you are replying to obviously did not read my posts. That was not the reason I had for thinking the man did this for religious reasons.

I don't know if I believe what is being reported as these eyewitnesses could have been coached into saying these things, but I don't know.

Are you claiming that as the shootings were ending that "someone" started telling the soldiers to tell the press that the man shouted that, and that these soldiers just simply agreed to it, no questions asked? Are you serious?

 

[MSalman]

When this story first broke, I remember thinking, "I really, really, really hope the shooter wasn't a Muslim."

I think it is clear that, for whatever reason, Hasan was motivated by a Salafi-style ideology. Reports say he shouted "Allahu ackbar" as he shot everyone. I think it's safe to say that he saw his act as a form of jihad.

Obviously there were other factors. I've read reports that he's gotten more and more extreme in his religious beliefs. And he has been discriminated against and been subject to abuse for those beliefs before—which probably further radicalized him. But it's not hard to see how someone with Salafi-style ideology would see the soldiers Hasan killed as part of the "other side." They were, after all, being deployed to places where they would probably end up killing Muslims.

All in all, though, I'm hopeful in the way that America and the Muslim community has responded to this. The army chief of staff is warning everyone not to judge all Muslims or Muslim soldiers by this guy's actions, and even Republican senators are saying that his actions don't reflect on Islam as a whole:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/us/politics/09casey.html?hp

(The exception, unfortunately, is Joe Lieberman, one of the biggest scumbags in the U.S...)

Reading this thread, and your guys' response, also makes me pretty hopeful. Let's hope everyone keeps a cool head.

People that knew him have said he constantly claimed that the US was at war against Islam, that he was in contact with an Imam that glorifies acts such as this (who has since publically called him a hero), and that he posted on message boards arguing in support of suicide bombings.

please do not display your ignorance and show some objectivity and fairness

 

[amalteser]

Right.



Yes I know. But there are other countries that are violent too and spread democracy through bloodshed and fear. :/



Okay...



A lot of things are happening in the Middle East. If Western countries would leave other countries alone then maybe we would stop seeing a rise with these crazy organisations. Western countries have created these problems and these problems are coming back to haunt them.

Unless if you start tackling these problems impartially, then these problems shall spiral out of control.

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World

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[GuestFellow]

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World

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A youtube video and now this? :/

Do you know how biased that website is...

I have no idea what you are trying to achieve.

 

[titus]

please do not display your ignorance and show some objectivity and fairness

My ignorance and lack of objectivity?

Help me, Islamiclife. Tell me how to think. What exactly about my post is ignorant and not objective?

 

[MSalman]

^answer the following questions which were in response to your post and maybe it will help your realize your blunder in broad day light.

I did not know Hassan follows "salafi-style" ideology.
and what is "salafi-style" ideology?
and how did you know Hasan saw his act as a form of jihad?
Where did you get all these information from?

 

[The_Prince]

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World
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nice link, but sadly for fundie christians like you, the link doesnt help you. the majority of attacks that are listed arent even references, where are the actual links and second hand sources of those attacks?

furthermore, many of the attacks that are listed are not even terror attacks, attacks against troops or government forces in an insurgency and WAR is not terrorism, its called WAR.

so go get your facts straight before you want to post a stupid link, but then again facts and christians like you dont go in the same sentence, you just make things up as you go along.

 

[titus]

answer the following questions which were in response to your post and maybe it will help your realize your blunder in broad day light.

Quote:
Originally Posted by naidamar View Post
I did not know Hassan follows "salafi-style" ideology.
and what is "salafi-style" ideology?
and how did you know Hasan saw his act as a form of jihad?
Where did you get all these information from?

Look back over the posts. I have never posted anything about "salafi-style" anything. I was simply answering the question about the possibility that he thought he was committing an act of jihad.

Or is there some other "blunder" you believe that I have made?

 

[Muezzin]

It would be better if members stuck to discussing the tragic event at hand, as opposed to posting links to Anti-Islamic websites.

 

[Rabi Mansur]

Here is a statement from CAIR. They were outfront in condemning what happened. This statement was actually quoted by Fox News (I'm usually not a fan of Fox but I was glad to see them publish the statement).

In a statement, the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said:

“We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law. No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”

 

[MartyrX]

I never said he was salafi. I was making a direct reply to someone who made a comment about whether or not this man saw this act as an act of jihad. In other words, did he do this for religious reasons.



The poster you are replying to obviously did not read my posts. That was not the reason I had for thinking the man did this for religious reasons.



Are you claiming that as the shootings were ending that "someone" started telling the soldiers to tell the press that the man shouted that, and that these soldiers just simply agreed to it, no questions asked? Are you serious?

These people could have very well been coached to say these things. Maybe he did, but with our war on terror I could definitely see somone saying maybe you should say this to those military men that come out and said they heard him yell it.

 

[titus]

So you think that the government is telling soldiers to lie to investigators and the public and their families in order to make people hate Muslims to help the war on terror?

Truly?

 

[Uthman]

Finding the truth at Fort Hood

Fort Hood aftermath turns political

 

[Uthman]

US imam wanted in Yemen over al-Qaida suspicions

This article is about Imaam Anwar al-Awlaki. :nervous:

 

[MSalman]

Look back over the posts. I have never posted anything about "salafi-style" anything. I was simply answering the question about the possibility that he thought he was committing an act of jihad.

Or is there some other "blunder" you believe that I have made?

sorry, I misunderstood for someone else

 

[amalteser]

US imam wanted in Yemen over al-Qaida suspicions

This article is about Imaam Anwar al-Awlaki. :nervous:

So what is your opinion of this article???