14-Year-Old, Murders Her Newborn Baby

[جوري]

saving the moral preaching for 'judgement day' won't make others take heed either for preventative measures or for the powers that be to establish justice, which we're actually required to implement in the here and now.. what's your religion btw? Apathy? - if you don't like the subject matter, you're welcome to skip this thread!

best,

 

[MartyrX]

More prevelant on the account of more people populating the earth and society being more allowing!
I don't feel sorry for her- I have seen African societies where young girls beat on rocks, carry chores for others, their parents are dead and of course no schooling and they wouldn't dream of doing this. I am supposed to sympathize with an effete callous murderer because someone decided she's a child? Was she a child when she screwed around? Pregnancies don't result from rapes!
The I am sorry let's make excuses for her is what perpetuates this and makes it common place when it's an abomination - honestly turn on your tv sometimes and watch how the other half lives before suggesting a better support system!

Pregnancies don't result from rapes? Are you serious? They do and can happen from a rape. Any doctor or anyone with knowledge on reproductive systems will tell you that.

In today's society, we have access to 24 hour a day news. We are so connected of course we are going to hear about these kind of stories more often.

 

[جوري]

Pregnancies don't result from rapes? Are you serious? They do and can happen from a rape. Any doctor or anyone with knowledge on reproductive systems will tell you that.

In today's society, we have access to 24 hour a day news. We are so connected of course we are going to hear about these kind of stories more often.

Well al7mdullilah I happen to be a doctor and a pregnancy resulting from a rape is a little under 1%!
pregnancy from a one time unprotected sex that doesn't involve trauma is about 5% so you do the math and think of the physiology!
You need a receptive medium for sperm to travel (I won't elaborate on that much) compounded by the fact that females are fertile an average of 3 days per months!

 

[MartyrX]

You just contradicted yourself. You said they can't, but then they can. So which is it?

 

[جوري]

You just contradicted yourself. You said they can't, but then they can. So which is it?

I should have elaborated with a term like don't usually or don't often or hardly ever, but that's ancillary to this topic - fact is we don't have true statistics it is an inference under any circumstance. Not all rape victims come forward, not all rapes can be construed as rapes, we can't pinpoint an actual date of pregnancy so we estimate (and there are other variables like other sexual encounters) so we guesstimate based on when a normal pregnancy happens under stringent conditions.
At any rate this thread isn't about rapes and there's no indication that she was raped so let's not meander the issue.
You're welcome to start a thread on rape however if you so choose!

 

[Tyrion]

Incredibly sad and disturbing. A lot must have gone wrong to drive a person to that point.

That being said, some of the comments here leave a bad taste in my mouth. Something about using a story as sad as this to try and further demonize the west or the supposed moral decay or our times seems wrong.

if you don't like the subject matter, you're welcome to skip this thread!

Come on, I've noticed that you do this far too much now. This is a public forum. You can't just tell people they should go away or ignore your posts/threads when they don't agree with you, or when they have a comment/opinion you don't like.

Pregnancies don't result from rapes? Are you serious? They do and can happen from a rape. Any doctor or anyone with knowledge on reproductive systems will tell you that.

There was a recent controversy about that, wasn't there? : I'm a bit surprised to be hearing it here.

Girls like this need help. Not because they deserve it, but because of the baby. Had she had a more supportive environment, it's likely that one more baby would be alive today.

Exactly. The worst part of stories like this is that they probably could have been easily avoided. Her actions were incredibly heinous, but I can't help feeling pity for her. It must have been insane to be pushed that far, especially at such a young age.

This is the result of a free and modern society!

No, I don't think so. More likely a result of a lack of education, possibly broken home, etc...

 

[Marina-Aisha]

Why should we pity her? Lets just say she was abused or Wotever that just because u have tough life doesn't give u the right to murder!

 

[Tyrion]

Why should we pity her? Lets just say she was abused or Wotever that just because u have tough life doesn't give u the right to murder!

I never said you should pity her, I said I pitied her. Nobody here has suggested she had any right to kill her baby.

 

[hur575]

Save the moral preaching for Judgment Day.

This is a public forum, that what is used for ! We discuss issues that affect us as human living together in this planet. In the judgment day, we have no say in the matter it is between her and GOD.

Had she had a more supportive environment, it's likely that one more baby would be alive today.

What kind of support?? To tell her it is ok to have unprotected sex?? It is ok to kill a baby?? after all you are only a child yourself!!!

What kind of support?? Encourage teen pregnancy by providing a free ride. Teenage pregnancy has been a huge issue in the west, because people refuse to give responsibilities to those teen.

In the UK for example, if you are a teen and single mother, you get free life. Free council flat, free money, and teen get pregnant so they can leave their parent house, because the system sympathises with those “ children”

 

[جوري]

Come on, I've noticed that you do this far too much now. This is a public forum. You can't just tell people they should go away or ignore your posts/threads when they don't agree with you, or when they have a comment/opinion you don't like

He has emphasized that we leave the 'moral preaching to judgement day' so I am not quite sure of what other option you'd like us to suggest to him? As far as we can tell it's a pretty open and shut case per his standards - thus abandoning the topic would be the only option left- don't you agree?
You're also welcome to survey the number of my posts where I've suggested they be skipped I'd like to better appreciate my nonchalance percentage wise!

Best,

 

[جوري]

The worst part of stories like this is that they probably could have been easily avoided

Yes, it is called abstinence- do they preach that in the idyllic model of which our comments have left you with a bad taste and the other dude pounding on his chest in a drive by shooting? Or are they exporting and enabling that in our part of the world?
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-a...n-ship-arriving-morocco-muslim-territory.html

Try Breath RX otherwise!

best,

 

[glo]

What kind of support?? To tell her it is ok to have unprotected sex?? It is ok to kill a baby?? after all you are only a child yourself!!!

What kind of support?

The kind of support which teaches you that even if you have been foolish enough to get yourself pregnant at such a young age, there are ways of dealing with it.
Firstly, rather than feeling you have to lie and keep your situation a secret, you can talk to somebody and ask for help.
Secondly, there are options other than taking things into your own hands and killing your own baby - such as keeping the baby with support from your family and friends or putting it up for adoption.
Thirdly, your life is not over! You can still turn your life around, take care of yourself and have a beautiful life ahead of you.

The kind of support which teaches you that there is help out there, even when you have messed up BIG TIME.

The kind of support which teaches you that when you make mistakes, you have to be big enough to deal with the consequences. You cannot make them go away, not even by killing your unwanted baby.

 

[جوري]

The kind of support which teaches you that even if you have been foolish enough to get yourself pregnant at such a young age, there are ways of dealing with it.

I am curious as to what christianity teaches per regard to pre-marital sex and murder of young infants?

best,

 

[glo]

I am curious as to what christianity teaches per regard to pre-marital sex and murder of young infants?

Neither are permitted.

But being compassionate is permitted - even positively encouraged!

Showing this girl compassion and offering help and support after she had committed sin number one may have prevented her from committing the far worse sin number two.
(It may not have. She may simply be a complete sociopath. But I don't know that, so I like to give her the benefit of the doubt.)

You are of course right. Had she not had sex, none of this would have happened ...
But since it did happen, things could have possibly been done to prevent the death of a newborn baby.

 

[جوري]

Neither are permitted.

Thanks for your honest reply- that's all I was looking for, not a boundary line by which to break God's commandments under florid terminology in order to pontificate and reward and/or enable the problem further. Surely you've heard of preventative measures and until such are implmented we're only going to see little teenage run away hookers murdering their kids and then requesting a song to dance at the prom. She's certainly not the first of her kind and it is sad that this sort of thing continues to happen and happen. Compassion in this case is misapplied, should go toward the murdered infant not the callous mother!

Also if she's a child may I ask, how old you propose Mary was when she gave birth to Jesus?

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[glo]

Also if she's a child may I ask, how old you propose Mary was when she gave birth to Jesus?

I am not sure. There are differences in opinion. But chances are she was a teenager.

Still, I am not sure how this is relevant though.
My point is that Cassidy Goodson made a mistake (by becoming pregnant); and that by not receiving the right support or feeling she could not ask for help ended up committing a terrible crime - killing her newborn child.

Perhaps females of her age were considered grown women in Jesus' and Muhammad's day, but (having teenage children myself) I don't think they are fully mature adults in this day and age. Perhaps life is more complex nowadays. I don't know ...

The tragedy is that children become physically mature (and hence ready and willing to have sex) than they mature mentally.

I don't think just because Cassidy was physically mature enough to conceive a child, she should automatically be treated as an adult. Surely there are better ways of assessing her level of maturity.

The way she dealt with that situation indicates to me that she is either very callous or very immature. As I said, I don't know her, so I cannot judge which it is ...

Just my own opinion, of course.

 

[جوري]

My point is that Cassidy Goodson made a mistake (by becoming pregnant); and that by not receiving the right support or feeling she could not ask for help ended up committing a terrible crime - killing her newborn child.

A mistake is leaving the light on when you go out, or burning your new silk shirt while ironing- not when killing an infant after having committed adultery.. perhaps the watering down of terms when need be and exaggerating them when they're neither merited nor suitable is the true problem of our times. That way criminals are painted as helpless victims and law abiding citizens become outlaws..

best,

 

[glo]

Still, I am not sure how this is relevant though.
My point is that Cassidy Goodson made a mistake (by becoming pregnant); and that by not receiving the right support or feeling she could not ask for help ended up committing a terrible crime - killing her newborn child.

A mistake is leaving the light on when you go out, or burning your new silk shirt while ironing- not when killing an infant after having committed adultery.. perhaps the watering down of terms when need be and exaggerating them when they're neither merited nor suitable is the true problem of our times. That way criminals are painted as helpless victims and law abiding citizens become outlaws..

best,

I don't think I tried to water down the terms.

If you read my post again, I called becoming pregnant a mistake and killing a newborn baby a terrible crime.

I used those terms because I think there is a difference in seriousness and severity between the two acts. I could have called them both sin, but that wouldn't have made a distinction between them.

I take your point that we can sway opinion and value by the terminology we use. Interesting thought.
By using different terms I have given both acts a distinctly different weighting ...

Do you think both acts are equally wrong or would you make a similar distinction?

 

[جوري]

Do you think both acts are equally wrong or would you make a similar distinction?

My Islamic point of view is that there's no sin beyond kuffr!

best,

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

the girl is deeply deeply disturbed. she has issues. my 6 year old niece couldnt get herself to do that and this girl is 14. I realise family issues are involved but lets not make this an excuse or we'll accept far too many similar tragedies where we are sympathetic to the culprit.

I agree she should take responsibility for her actions. But don’t you make excuses for rapist because of how a woman dresses?

So in one case, someone who just entered adulthood take full responsibility whereas grown ass men are excused for raping because the victims are dressed immodestly.


It is not a question of age; it is question of mental state. And she knew what she was doing.

1. She hid her baby in a box and didn’t go to the police straight away.
2. She freshen herself up afterwards.
3. She slept in the same room as her baby despite the smell.
4. She would have continued to hide the baby if her mother didn’t find him.

She did all by herself. If someone was mentally ill, they would react differently.