[Jayda]

hola,

i do not know if anybody saw 60 minutes this evening but they had a very sad story about a boy named Omar Khadr... it was also on NPR

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...toryId=10693462

he is 15 years old and is being held in guantanamo bay prison on charges of terrorism as an adult and as an enemy combatant. he is awaiting a military tribunal, for killing a united states soldier. they covered the story about him and his family, and how his father poisoned him with promises of virgins and martyrdom since he was an even younger child. his older brother was also raised this way but was able to break away from it and now helps the cia. the father was killed in a bombing in afghanistan several months ago and now the mother and her two other sons live in toronto and she is afraid for Omar. the united states said that it would not seek the death penalty because of his age, but they will not consider him a 'child soldier.'

the the international community there are exceptions on criminal prosecution for child soldiers since they are indoctrinated to kill and are victims in every sense of the word... perhaps even more victims than the people they are force, brainwashed or beaten into killing. for some reason this boy is considered an exception by the united states because it is part of the war on terror... i think this is horrible. just because this is not some rebel war in africa doesn't mean the boy is not a victim. i feel horrible about the death of the soldier he killed, i know if that were my husband i would be inconsolible... but to find out it was a child and that they wanted to throw him in a torture prison instead of trying to undo what has happened to him would make me sick.

15 is still a child... i wish there were some place to sign a petition or write to somebody about this...

que Dios te bendiga

 

[wilberhum]

Would the soldier we less dead if the boy was 21?

Now I have many problems with Guantanamo. I think every one should be tried or set free and Guantanamo shut down.

But I have no problem with putting a 15 year old killer in jail.

 

[MTAFFI]

Jayda

you may wish to plug that young boys name on a search, he comes from a family of terrorist and killers. They could have let him die on the battlefield, which IMHO would probably have been best, but he is an enemy combatant he did kill more than one US soldier, and probably deserves punishment for such.

(i dont however agree with Gitmo, I am with wilbur on that)

 

[Jayda]

Would the soldier we less dead if the boy was 21?

Now I have many problems with Guantanamo. I think every one should be tried or set free and Guantanamo shut down.

But I have no problem with putting a 15 year old killer in jail.

would the soldier be less dead if the child was 10? how about 8? 3 and a half? this isn't about the soldier, it's about the boy. who couldn't have sympathy for the family of the lost soldier, but only a monster would turn their head to the fact that this is a 15 year old boy who was brainwashed by his father for years. in africa it's a humanitarian crisis, he needs help not an orange suit

 

[wilberhum]

Well I guess I'm a monster, at least by your defination.

But isn't this just another example of you thinking people who commit illegal acts should not be held accountable?

 

[Jayda]

Jayda

you may wish to plug that young boys name on a search, he comes from a family of terrorist and killers. They could have let him die on the battlefield, which IMHO would probably have been best, but he is an enemy combatant he did kill more than one US soldier, and probably deserves punishment for such.

(i dont however agree with Gitmo, I am with wilbur on that)

hola,

there are enough dead children on the battlefield as it is, perhaps the soldiers who took him decided that they didn't want to contribute. he is not an enemy combatant, kids don't know what that means, he was brainwashed by his father to believe he would recieve virgins and other rewards in heaven and that this is what his father wanted for him. he can't help being raised that way, but psychologists with experience helping child soldiers can help. that's where he should be, not in a prison.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[MTAFFI]

would the soldier be less dead if the child was 10? how about 8? 3 and a half? this isn't about the soldier, it's about the boy. who couldn't have sympathy for the family of the lost soldier, but only a monster would turn their head to the fact that this is a 15 year old boy who was brainwashed by his father for years. in africa it's a humanitarian crisis, he needs help not an orange suit

WOW... so what do you think should be done with the "boy"

 

[Jayda]

Well I guess I'm a monster, at least by your defination.

But isn't this just another example of you thinking people who commit illegal acts should not be held accountable?

yes, by my definition supporting draconian measures against brainwashed children makes you a monster. and yes, this is yet another example of me making exceptions to the rules out of practicality and a sense of morality.

 

[wilberhum]

hola,

there are enough dead children on the battlefield as it is, perhaps the soldiers who took him decided that they didn't want to contribute. he is not an enemy combatant, kids don't know what that means, he was brainwashed by his father to believe he would recieve virgins and other rewards in heaven and that this is what his father wanted for him. he can't help being raised that way, but psychologists with experience helping child soldiers can help. that's where he should be, not in a prison.

que Dios te bendiga

Why don't you house him? You seam to have great compassion for those that kill. Or do you just like making excuses for people who do wrong?

 

[Jayda]

WOW... so what do you think should be done with the "boy"

not "boy," it's boy. and he should be with his family in counselling. amnesty international and the united nations both have excellent programs to help this humanitarian crisis.

 

[MTAFFI]

hola,

there are enough dead children on the battlefield as it is, perhaps the soldiers who took him decided that they didn't want to contribute. he is not an enemy combatant, kids don't know what that means, he was brainwashed by his father to believe he would recieve virgins and other rewards in heaven and that this is what his father wanted for him. he can't help being raised that way, but psychologists with experience helping child soldiers can help. that's where he should be, not in a prison.

que Dios te bendiga

so he doesnt know what an enemy combatant is but he knows how to kill someone and he knows the reward of getting a virgin? Dont little boys think girls are "ewww"? Why would a "little boy" want virgins and death? I think you intentions are really great, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world could get counseling and get along with one another, and fly on unicorns everywhere but the fact is the world is not a nice place, probably never will be and to let a killer loose because he is young is quite simply stupid.

 

[wilberhum]

yes, by my definition supporting draconian measures against brainwashed children makes you a monster. and yes, this is yet another example of me making exceptions to the rules out of practicality and a sense of morality.

Well I think people who support illegals are Monsters, so there. :skeleton:

You think having morals equates to not holding people responsible for what they do.

I think morals requires you to hold people responsible for what they do.

So I guess we can't even agree on what morals are. :skeleton:

 

[MTAFFI]

^^ maybe this will help you out wibur

mo·ral·i·ty
The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.

I wonder if it were good conduct for this boy to blow up a soldier? I wonder if it is good conduct to illegally cross borders? I wonder if being promiscuous and working as a prostitute is good conduct? I wonder if making excuses for all of the above is good conduct? I wonder if Jayda is mistaking morality with immorality? :? :?

You know Jayda, just because the devil is the epitome of all that is evil doesnt mean he is bad, he is just doing what comes natural to him... perhaps a little psycho babble would convince him to stop corrupting the world and allow peace and happiness... The way you are going we shouldnt condemn him either mg: Where do you draw the line?

 

[Jayda]

i only get headaches like this when i'm talking to republicans...

 

[MTAFFI]

i only get headaches like this when i'm talking to republicans...

LOL, better than a democrat... LOL not really, I am not sure there is a good political party anymore, perhaps we can agree on that!

Anyways, I can concede that the young man was force fed terrorist rhetoric his whole life, but why should we have to pay to reverse it especially when the chances are you never will. I am more of a "let God sort them out" sort of guy, in the end that is all that matters anyways, right?

Disclaimer: "them" was not refering to any specific ethnic, religious or political group. Basically it is refering to everyone who inevitably dies.

 

[wilberhum]

I’m a Democrat. MTAFFI, are you a Republican? :mmokay:

If so, I guess Jayda will have lots of headaches. :giggling::giggling::giggling:

 

[Jayda]

LOL, better than a democrat... LOL not really, I am not sure there is a good political party anymore, perhaps we can agree on that!

i'm a republican, see? elephant. maybe i should change it to a rhino, aside from pro life i'm too often accused of being compassionate toward undesireables.

Anyways, I can concede that the young man was force fed terrorist rhetoric his whole life, but why should we have to pay to reverse it especially when the chances are you never will. I am more of a "let God sort them out" sort of guy, in the end that is all that matters anyways, right?

Disclaimer: "them" was not refering to any specific ethnic, religious or political group. Basically it is refering to everyone who inevitably dies.

... do you have any idea how sociopathic that sounds?

God didn't create us so that we could suffer for a little while and then die. and you should pay to reverse it because he's a child and it's the right thing to do. it will cost you tax money, it might not work, you will never get anything out of it... but there is a very good possibility you may save a child and countless others if they in turn help illuminate the things we do not understand about how children are pulled into this culture of death.

 

[MTAFFI]

I’m a Democrat. MTAFFI, are you a Republican? :mmokay:

If so, I guess Jayda will have lots of headaches. :giggling::giggling::giggling:

I am what they call a southern democrat

Republican side

Dont believe in abortion
Dont believe in illegal immigration
Dont believe in taking God out of schools (if you dont like it or believe it just ignore it)
I am PRO Gun
I am for taxes (I know it sounds crazy but taxes really help alot of things)
Support the troops
Support the death penalty

Democrat side

I am for stem cell research
I am against the war in Iraq
I am for the legalization of marijuana (hey its better than alcohol)
I am for talks with "terrorist" states
I like to see the minorities get a little help from time to time

 

[Woodrow]

Perhaps this thread should have been simply an info thread and replies to it blocked. There is no need for personal comments against any person, let us stick to the topic and not the poster.

 

[Cognescenti]

Perhaps a bit of clarification is in order.

He isn't a "Child Soldier". I am able to say this because he isn't a "child" (he is now 21) and he never was a "soldier". His father was a financier for Al Quaeda. He had evidently been indoctrinated with the hatred that Al Quaeda espouses. According to international legal definitions he is an "illegal enemy combatant".

Perhaps he should be better called an "illegal enemy combatant who was a minor at the time of his alleged criminal act". Of course, that doesn't quite elicit the same level of sympathy does it?

That the greatest crime here was commited by his father to use his own sons in such a cynnical and destructive manner can scarcely be denied, but there is still the problem of what to do with him. Has he renounced his views? You want him to see a psychologist???? Maybe he could join a support group and just do some community service or something. Maybe someone here has an extra room or a basement than can be remodeled? He can stay at your house. Maybe he could take some auto repair classes or get his GED. Come on people! Let's try to inject some common sense here. He wasn't defending his country. He is Canadian. Do you think the Army Rangers (as opposed to the hockey team) attacked Toronto? Despite his age, he was an active member of a terror organization. "Child Soldier"?????? Bull ****.

The great wailing sound coming from the Left has been for the Gitmo detainees to have a trial. He is the first under the new procedure the Congress passed. So...let the trial proceed. Let his attorney make that argument. Let him convince the judge that he thought the grenade was a toy. Let him offer a plea bargain like that idiot Al Quaeda wanna be from Australia did.