15 years old girl raped, killed and thrown from the 16th floor of a hotel in Mekkah!
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If my sister got raped and it turned out she was in a haraam relationship I would say "see what happens when you disobey Allah and follow your desires my sister, it leads to destruction, had you not gotten involved with this man and obeyed Allah you could've avoided this harm, but what's done is done now we must look to the future, make repentance from being in this relationship and live ur life obeying allah from now on.
Then I would push for the man to receive the punishment for the crime.
If she had died and the man who raped her said he was in a relationship with her, then I would investigate such a claim. If it was found to be true I'd be sad that she didn't obey Allah and formed a haraam relationship and would kick myself for not advising her on the dangers of haraam relationships, I'd feel responsible for not making her see the dangers of disobeying Allah.
I'd also expect the man to be punished. And I would be saying to myself, "if only I had educated her better on the ills of haraam relationships she would still be alive"
If however such a relationship never existed I would feel like I never failed the girl and would still see the rapist punished.
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This horrible story points out a sad fact of today's world.
Not everybody who wears the name Muslim, follows Islam.
It is disgusting this happened in one of our most Holy of cities, and a place where all Muslims should feel and be safe. But, the sad reality is that today evil is infiltrating ever corner of the Earth. Today is the time each and every Muslim needs to look within their own hearts and do a full self examination to verify they are not just wearing the name Muslim, but do their best to follow Islam.
Not everybody who wears the name Muslim, follows Islam.
It is disgusting this happened in one of our most Holy of cities, and a place where all Muslims should feel and be safe. But, the sad reality is that today evil is infiltrating ever corner of the Earth. Today is the time each and every Muslim needs to look within their own hearts and do a full self examination to verify they are not just wearing the name Muslim, but do their best to follow Islam.
Assalaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu,
Subhaan Allaah it is amazing how we can dedicate so much time in argumentation and bonds of brotherhood, manners and respect can be so flimsily and easily ignored in the name of self-defence and lack of humbleness. Allaah knows of my sadness whenever I hear of the dhulm that happens to our sisters in various countries, in their various contexts around the world. Not only are our sisters subjected to rape, murder and oppression to the highest degree but we have to hear of unbelievable stories of the details of such events. Allaah also knows of my intense hatred of the rapist and murderer and he knows of my du'aas against the perpetrators of such crimes. Allaah also knows what is in my heart, what I intended by this defence and what I said was clear of what my intent was.
What scares me the most is, some of the sisters on here have subjected to insulting myself personally, generalising against me, making accusations and slanders againts what I said or meant in my post. But this I think should be forgiven of them due to the sensitive nature of this topic. Which leads me to ask these sisters the question, if they are unable to control themselves emotionally when discussing these topics and atleast have the courtesy to speak to me as I have addressed them, then surely they should exclude themselves from the discussion? Perhaps lack of knowledge of this issue mixed with sadness requires them to remain silent as they cannot stop themselves from insulting and generalising against their fellow Muslim, whom they are obliged to treat with kindness and respect, this is the basic requirement of sharing the kalimah Laa Ilaaha ill Allaah. But things can be forgiven.
This is my last response concerning this issue as I feel I do not need to defend myself any further my stance on this is clear:
1. We do not know what actually happened: it is now even questionable as to whether rape even occurred. This just proves my point that we should only speak hypothetically if matters are uncertain. This is the reason why I adopted the Sunnah of Abu Bakr [ra] in saying "If this is true...". Can we remember when Rasulullaah [saws] went to Al-Israa wal Mi'raaj (the night jorney)? The Prophet [saws] went to Al-Aqsa, to the seven heavens and back in one night and the next day when the kuffaar heard, they went to Abu Bakr [ra] and mocked at this event. Abu Bakr [ra] did not know if this was what the Prophet [saws] claimed so he said: "If this is true, then I believe in it". This also links with the aayah in Surah al-hujuraat [49]: "When a faasiq comes to you with news, verify it...". Because we dont know we cannot say a thing definitely happened until trustworthy news came to us.
Bearing this in mind, I never accused the girl of any illicit relationship nor of travelling without a mahram, but said if this was the case then if she adheres to these beautiful ahkaam in our deen it will better protect her from the plots of these dogs of the world.
2. The way some sisters have been speaking is indicative of the growing trend, especially in the West; that of Feminism: So many sisters become incredibly irrate at being told about the responsibilities of the woman, lowering the gaze, needing a mahram when travelling, a man having four wives without the permission of any of them, two female witnesses being needed but only one male witness in court and so on. This to them feels as an insult upon the woman and this is also the case with many western Muslimahs and even kuffaar women when discussing the issue of rape.
But our deen commands that we live our lives in submission to Allaah, in obeying Allaah and his messenger [saws] and putting our own personal opinions after the Qur'an and Sunnah. We dont use our own logic to assess something but use the Qur'an and Sunnah as was mentioned by Ali [ra] in a saheeh narration: "Deen is not based on ra'y [opinion/interpretation/logic], if it was then Rasulullaah [saws] would have commanded us to wipe under the sock [as it would be the dirty part] when doing the wiping, but he commanded us to wipe over it". This shows that sometimes things may conflict with our logic but if they are based on clear aayahs and ahaadeeth, no emotion or logic can supercede it. So please fellow Muslims dont let our own reasoning/emotional thinking be a barrier from us practising Islaam correctly.
3. As for the role of the woman in general. She is commanded in the Qur'an and the Sunnah to do the following:
- Not to leave the home excessively and without reason. This is to prevent her from the eyes of the people of fitnah. She seeks the permission of parents, or of the husband of intent to do something or go somewhere in order that people responsible over her are aware of her plans and so on.
- To cover modestly [for both men and women]: for a number of reasons, to not attract the opposite sex, to not be a means of dishonour by anyone treating her in a promiscuous way, to give a clear message to all strange men that she is a respected and honoured Muslimah, who wants no illicit contact with them.
- To travel long distances or in strange locations with a guardian in order to be safe to the best of her ability and to be protected as much as possible from the evildoers of the world.
4. The woman is honoured, respected, exalted in the eyes of Allaah, the Prophet [saws] and the Mu'minoon, her chastity is preserved with fists and swords against the evildoers - subhanAllaah do we remember the incident in the time of Caliph Mu'tasim when a Jew tied a Muslimahs niqaab to a post while she was unaware? The niqaab fell and she was exposed, she called out "Yaa Mu'tasim" and when news came to him of it he sent an army to deal with the case! These rulings are in place to protect her and as a sanctity to her modesty.
5. The sin is according to its level: The man who is guilty of rape bears the punishment of it - to be killed. The person who is negligent in anything, he is negligent for it to the extent of his bad action. If a man swears once, he is guilty of one swear, if he is guilty of striking a blow, he is punished according to one blow. Similarly if any sister is guilty of not abiding by sharee'ah for any particular issue, then she is guilty of that VERY SAME ISSUE. Not for anything else that was done to her that she did not intend or act for.
So this is my stance until I die. That a person is guilty of their own sins. They are guilty of what they are negligible in and not in what others do to them. This is the meaning of the aayah: "No person bears the load of another" - If a son becomes a drug dealer we cannot blame the father for the drugs the son sells, if the father doesnt do it too, but if the father didnt raise the son based on Islamic methods, the father is blameworthy for his negligence of the son's upbringing. Similarly, if a sister is raped, she in not blamed for the rape ie "you did this and that so you deserve to be raped" etc this is a vile and judgemental statement to make, but if she failed to apply the shar'i rulings regarding covering and public relations, then she is blameworthy for what she sinned in.
May Allaah make us fair, honest, balanced, reasonable, patient and may Allaah allow us to comprehend and understand his blessed way so that we may be of the Muttaqun in high stations in this world and the hereafter ameen.
Subhaan Allaah it is amazing how we can dedicate so much time in argumentation and bonds of brotherhood, manners and respect can be so flimsily and easily ignored in the name of self-defence and lack of humbleness. Allaah knows of my sadness whenever I hear of the dhulm that happens to our sisters in various countries, in their various contexts around the world. Not only are our sisters subjected to rape, murder and oppression to the highest degree but we have to hear of unbelievable stories of the details of such events. Allaah also knows of my intense hatred of the rapist and murderer and he knows of my du'aas against the perpetrators of such crimes. Allaah also knows what is in my heart, what I intended by this defence and what I said was clear of what my intent was.
What scares me the most is, some of the sisters on here have subjected to insulting myself personally, generalising against me, making accusations and slanders againts what I said or meant in my post. But this I think should be forgiven of them due to the sensitive nature of this topic. Which leads me to ask these sisters the question, if they are unable to control themselves emotionally when discussing these topics and atleast have the courtesy to speak to me as I have addressed them, then surely they should exclude themselves from the discussion? Perhaps lack of knowledge of this issue mixed with sadness requires them to remain silent as they cannot stop themselves from insulting and generalising against their fellow Muslim, whom they are obliged to treat with kindness and respect, this is the basic requirement of sharing the kalimah Laa Ilaaha ill Allaah. But things can be forgiven.
This is my last response concerning this issue as I feel I do not need to defend myself any further my stance on this is clear:
1. We do not know what actually happened: it is now even questionable as to whether rape even occurred. This just proves my point that we should only speak hypothetically if matters are uncertain. This is the reason why I adopted the Sunnah of Abu Bakr [ra] in saying "If this is true...". Can we remember when Rasulullaah [saws] went to Al-Israa wal Mi'raaj (the night jorney)? The Prophet [saws] went to Al-Aqsa, to the seven heavens and back in one night and the next day when the kuffaar heard, they went to Abu Bakr [ra] and mocked at this event. Abu Bakr [ra] did not know if this was what the Prophet [saws] claimed so he said: "If this is true, then I believe in it". This also links with the aayah in Surah al-hujuraat [49]: "When a faasiq comes to you with news, verify it...". Because we dont know we cannot say a thing definitely happened until trustworthy news came to us.
Bearing this in mind, I never accused the girl of any illicit relationship nor of travelling without a mahram, but said if this was the case then if she adheres to these beautiful ahkaam in our deen it will better protect her from the plots of these dogs of the world.
2. The way some sisters have been speaking is indicative of the growing trend, especially in the West; that of Feminism: So many sisters become incredibly irrate at being told about the responsibilities of the woman, lowering the gaze, needing a mahram when travelling, a man having four wives without the permission of any of them, two female witnesses being needed but only one male witness in court and so on. This to them feels as an insult upon the woman and this is also the case with many western Muslimahs and even kuffaar women when discussing the issue of rape.
But our deen commands that we live our lives in submission to Allaah, in obeying Allaah and his messenger [saws] and putting our own personal opinions after the Qur'an and Sunnah. We dont use our own logic to assess something but use the Qur'an and Sunnah as was mentioned by Ali [ra] in a saheeh narration: "Deen is not based on ra'y [opinion/interpretation/logic], if it was then Rasulullaah [saws] would have commanded us to wipe under the sock [as it would be the dirty part] when doing the wiping, but he commanded us to wipe over it". This shows that sometimes things may conflict with our logic but if they are based on clear aayahs and ahaadeeth, no emotion or logic can supercede it. So please fellow Muslims dont let our own reasoning/emotional thinking be a barrier from us practising Islaam correctly.
3. As for the role of the woman in general. She is commanded in the Qur'an and the Sunnah to do the following:
- Not to leave the home excessively and without reason. This is to prevent her from the eyes of the people of fitnah. She seeks the permission of parents, or of the husband of intent to do something or go somewhere in order that people responsible over her are aware of her plans and so on.
- To cover modestly [for both men and women]: for a number of reasons, to not attract the opposite sex, to not be a means of dishonour by anyone treating her in a promiscuous way, to give a clear message to all strange men that she is a respected and honoured Muslimah, who wants no illicit contact with them.
- To travel long distances or in strange locations with a guardian in order to be safe to the best of her ability and to be protected as much as possible from the evildoers of the world.
4. The woman is honoured, respected, exalted in the eyes of Allaah, the Prophet [saws] and the Mu'minoon, her chastity is preserved with fists and swords against the evildoers - subhanAllaah do we remember the incident in the time of Caliph Mu'tasim when a Jew tied a Muslimahs niqaab to a post while she was unaware? The niqaab fell and she was exposed, she called out "Yaa Mu'tasim" and when news came to him of it he sent an army to deal with the case! These rulings are in place to protect her and as a sanctity to her modesty.
5. The sin is according to its level: The man who is guilty of rape bears the punishment of it - to be killed. The person who is negligent in anything, he is negligent for it to the extent of his bad action. If a man swears once, he is guilty of one swear, if he is guilty of striking a blow, he is punished according to one blow. Similarly if any sister is guilty of not abiding by sharee'ah for any particular issue, then she is guilty of that VERY SAME ISSUE. Not for anything else that was done to her that she did not intend or act for.
So this is my stance until I die. That a person is guilty of their own sins. They are guilty of what they are negligible in and not in what others do to them. This is the meaning of the aayah: "No person bears the load of another" - If a son becomes a drug dealer we cannot blame the father for the drugs the son sells, if the father doesnt do it too, but if the father didnt raise the son based on Islamic methods, the father is blameworthy for his negligence of the son's upbringing. Similarly, if a sister is raped, she in not blamed for the rape ie "you did this and that so you deserve to be raped" etc this is a vile and judgemental statement to make, but if she failed to apply the shar'i rulings regarding covering and public relations, then she is blameworthy for what she sinned in.
May Allaah make us fair, honest, balanced, reasonable, patient and may Allaah allow us to comprehend and understand his blessed way so that we may be of the Muttaqun in high stations in this world and the hereafter ameen.
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May Allah punish these Males severely, also if the girl was in a relationship Allah does NOT punish the girl by allowing her to be raped and killed, rather that they allow themselves to hang around in the bad crowd, and of course if you seek not Allah but others then why should Allah protect you. Allah is All-Wise and will judge all Justly on the Day of Judgement, if she enters Paradise and Hell.
Also one thing good has been shown that MEN (if some Women were present don't know) DID COME TOGETHER, to PROTEST until something was done. May Allah reward them MUCH!
Also one thing good has been shown that MEN (if some Women were present don't know) DID COME TOGETHER, to PROTEST until something was done. May Allah reward them MUCH!
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