2 people kill 14 in USA

[sister herb]

I sometimes wonder what makes people to believe to the propaganda of groups like al-qaeda, daesh or boko haram. Do they feel emptiness in their soul and then try to fill it with kind of hate speech they spread? Doesn´t the peaceful message of Islam be enough for them as they want to see Islam as the call to the radical acts against non-Muslims?

The western islamophobics spread at the same time their lies that Islam is the religion which the only purpose is to attack against non-Muslims in the West. Unfortunately their hate speech will get more fuel when the Western radicals are listening those Muslim radicals.

The victims of the both of those radical groups are Muslims whose see that Islam is the religion of peace.

 

[sister herb]

A regular diet of the Quran makes me believe more and more stronger that Islam really is the religion of the peace. It doesn´t give anybody right to go and kill innocent civilians, whose personally haven´t attacked against Muslims first. Or were all those victims in San Bernardino armed soldiers in the battle field? I don´t think so. They were unarmed civilians whose couldn´t defend themselves against those murderers.

Farook attended the holiday party at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California. It's a facility for people with developmental disabilities.

No, they don´t sound the soldiers at all.

Why you now write about homosexuality? It hasn´t nothing to do in this topic. Peace doesn´t mean same than the camp and lesbians. Seems you only try to lead the discussion away from the original matter.

Also a regular diet of the Quran keeps me far from the people whose use religion as an excuse to promote their hate against other people. Very far.

 

[sister herb]

So... victims in San Bernardino hadn´t arms. So yes, those victims were then unarmed. They weren´t soldiers - so they were civilians. I see this very simple.

If some others were killed Muslims, then those whose had done it, should be punish, not those whose hadn´t kill anyone. Some logic now brother. This is called as collective punishment. By the other words, some comes to punish you about something what you haven´t never done. Collective punishments are not what Islam teaches:

No soul earns anything except it is upon itself, and none shall bear the burdens of another.

Surat Al-An’am 6:164

 

[Pygoscelis]

The gay and lesbian quotes are showing the sickening lies which the dajjal slaves perpetrate.

More likely an attempt to lace some more hate into your posts. You are after all the one who called for the hunting down and killing of such people.

You as a majority either clearly state that it is not a democracy but rather a falsehood

What of those not in the majority who didn't vote for the party that took power? Are they valid targets for your hatred and violence?

And are you surprised to learn that many in the west DO call for reform of the electoral system? Calls by people like Bernie Sanders shouting that the system is a rigged oligarchy? People such as The Young Turks pushing to get money out of politics? People pushing against those who try to disenfranchise voters and juryrig electoral maps? Are you aware of any of this?

and you turn to the truth

You keep saying that. You seem to think that people not turning to Islam necessarily means people not pushing for actual democracy or a fairer and more peaceful society.

How do you plan to make up for the millions of innocent Muslims you've killed?

I haven't killed anyone.

And what is your plan to prevent killings of innocents everywhere?

By holding my government accountable. By voting out our former Prime Minister Harper who was a hawk and replacing him with Turdeau, who has promised to remove Canadian forces and get out of any involvement with bombing Syria. By making friends with Muslims such as Sister Herb and Search here, and realizing that not all muslims are as hateful or as tribal as you are. By speaking up when people direct hate speech at others in my community, such as the Sikh gentleman who myself and the cashier spoke up for at the grocery store last week when a lady was muttering at him following Paris attack. By stressing what we have in common as humans instead of what divides us. By doing whatever I can to combat racism, sexism and all other forms of prejudice and bigotry. By donating money to doctors without borders, who go into terrorized and destroyed areas and help those who are injured. By sending out Kiva loans to people in developing countries so they can better provide for themselves.

What are YOU doing?

I'm sure it won't come about by continually condemning those who lawfully retaliate in self defence with not even a thousandth of what they were afflicted with by these "peoples governments" and "public servants".

By flying planes into buildings, chopping off heads, firing randomly into crowds, detonating improvised explosives and hiding amongst innocent civilians to maximize civilian casualties when people come to put you down?

Do you really think that is going to save any of your brotheres or sisters? Do you not see that it will just amplify islamophobia and push western forces to further bomb and terrorize them?

I'd rather put it in perspective according to the guidelines of Islam.

Granted, I'm not Muslim, so I'm not going to care so much about the guidelines of Islam, or be an expert on what they are. But I would like to believe that whatever they are, they are not the cause of such a violent, hateful and bloodthirsty attitude as you display here. Because if they are, then that would kind of make the islamophobes over here in the west right, and me wrong. I am glad that for every one like you I meet, I met many like sister herb, Search, and ardianto here.

 

[Abz2000]

More likely an attempt to lace some more hate into your posts. You are after all the one who called for the hunting down and killing of such people.



What of those not in the majority who didn't vote for the party that took power? Are they valid targets for your hatred and violence?

And are you surprised to learn that many in the west DO call for reform of the electoral system? Calls by people like Bernie Sanders shouting that the system is a rigged oligarchy? People such as The Young Turks pushing to get money out of politics? People pushing against those who try to disenfranchise voters and juryrig electoral maps? Are you aware of any of this?



You keep saying that. You seem to think that people not turning to Islam necessarily means people not pushing for actual democracy or a fairer and more peaceful society.



I haven't killed anyone.



By holding my government accountable. By voting out our former Prime Minister Harper who was a hawk and replacing him with Turdeau, who has promised to remove Canadian forces and get out of any involvement with bombing Syria. By making friends with Muslims such as Sister Herb and Search here, and realizing that not all muslims are as hateful or as tribal as you are. By speaking up when people direct hate speech at others in my community, such as the Sikh gentleman who myself and the cashier spoke up for at the grocery store last week when a lady was muttering at him following Paris attack. By stressing what we have in common as humans instead of what divides us. By doing whatever I can to combat racism, sexism and all other forms of prejudice and bigotry. By donating money to doctors without borders, who go into terrorized and destroyed areas and help those who are injured. By sending out Kiva loans to people in developing countries so they can better provide for themselves.

What are YOU doing?



By flying planes into buildings, chopping off heads, firing randomly into crowds, detonating improvised explosives and hiding amongst innocent civilians to maximize civilian casualties when people come to put you down?

Do you really think that is going to save any of your brotheres or sisters? Do you not see that it will just amplify islamophobia and push western forces to further bomb and terrorize them?



Granted, I'm not Muslim, so I'm not going to care so much about the guidelines of Islam, or be an expert on what they are. But I would like to believe that whatever they are, they are not the cause of such a violent, hateful and bloodthirsty attitude as you display here. Because if they are, then that would kind of make the islamophobes over here in the west right, and me wrong. I am glad that for every one like you I meet, I met many like sister herb, Search, and ardianto here.

Repent and walk aright if there's still time.

 

[ardianto]

Repent and walk aright if there's still time.

Assalamualaikum, my brother.

Few of my friends in Indonesia are converts, mainly from Christianity. But no one of them embrace Islam because Muslims who threatened them with "repent!, or you will go to hell!". No, no. They decided to embrace Islam because Muslims who show good manner. It made them have positive image of Islam and interested to learn Islam.

Unfortunately now I also see a big problem among Muslims. There are Muslims youths who start to doubt about Islam. Not because non-Muslims, but because Muslims who teach violence and hatred toward non-Muslims. It makes those Muslim youths doubt "Every religion teaches love and care to the others. But Islam teaches hatred and not love. So, is Islam a religion?".

What I must tell to those youths?.

 

[Search]

:bism:



A Muslim woman, and a victim, shot three times in the San Bernardino attack, is now recovering in a hospital. She'd hid in the bathroom with some co-workers until help had arrived. The woman's husband, a Muslim man, Salihin Kondoker, labelled the attack as "anti-Islamic," and said the following:

I don't believe religion and terrorism has any connection. If you kill one innocent human being you will be charged as if you have killed entire humanity. Only way we can fight this crime if we are united, if we are together. I shall go to visit your church, temple, synagogue and pray with you and mourn with you about our tragedy. And should come to my mosque and pray with me."

Source: Survivor Who Prayed at Same Mosque as San Bernardino Shooters Calls Attack 'Anti-Islamic'

:wa:

 

[Search]

:bism:



So, not that it matters to extremists, but...

Anybody notice how extremists talk about how they are all doing it for "Allah" and "dead or injured Muslims" elsewhere in the Free World, yet a) also do the same type of thing that they hate certain world governments do not for the sake of "Allah," and b) also increase the total count of "dead or injured Muslims" in the world?

For example, total number of Muslims dead in the Paris Attacks: 6
For example, total number of Muslims dead in 9/11 Attacks: 60

Hmm, I'd say reductionist and compartmentalized thinking.

:wa:

Edited: Correcting number of Muslims dead in the Paris attack; I'd underestimated the number by 1 person. (Also, I added a hyperlink as a source.)

 

[Search]

:bism:



Source: The brothers Farook: one a decorated veteran, the other a killer

:wa:

 

[Akingfisher]

Again, the media give you a reason to study.
If you can afford learned scholars - great, if not, read what you can, not all billionaires went got a degree, syllabus was possibly to cramped for them.



Not much of an intellectually stimulating observation or even relevant discussion when looking for facts, especially when videos of the wtc7 collapse are available:

That's another cop out, you are not answering my points directly, just firing a scatter gun of all sorts of off topic stuff to avoid a direct answer!

So the apparent Muslims who praise the 'magnificent 19' do so knowing that they were the hated Jews dressed up as Arabs?

Google 'magnificent 19 al muhajiroun' Al-Muhajiroun (Arabic:

Why would these Muslims do this if it was a Western 'false flag' event in which Jews helped out?

Also, as mentioned elsewhere, why were Muslims screaming at a demo in London some years back and waving banners saying Europe watch out your 9/11 is on it's way, bin laden on his way etc?
Or where they all just more Jews dressed up as Arabs?

 

[Akingfisher]

:bism:



A Muslim woman, and a victim, shot three times in the San Bernardino attack, is now recovering in a hospital. She'd hid in the bathroom with some co-workers until help had arrived. The woman's husband, a Muslim man, Salihin Kondoker, labelled the attack as "anti-Islamic," and said the following:



Source: Survivor Who Prayed at Same Mosque as San Bernardino Shooters Calls Attack 'Anti-Islamic'

:wa:

A nice sentiment, but wouldn't isis and similar Muslim sympathizers say that you are not real Muslims!

I don't believe religion and terrorism has any connection. If you kill one innocent human being you will be charged as if you have killed entire humanity. Only way we can fight this crime if we are united, if we are together. I shall go to visit your church, temple, synagogue and pray with you and mourn with you about our tragedy. And should come to my mosque and pray with me."

Isn't this an incomplete quote of the actual texts? Which were for the Jews!
i.e.

Sahih International: Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
Pickthall: For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.
Yusuf Ali: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
Shakir: For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
Muhammad Sarwar: For this reason, We made it a law for the children of Israel that the killing of a person for reasons other than legal retaliation or for stopping corruption in the land is as great a sin as murdering all of mankind. However, to save a life would be as great a virtue as to save all of mankind. Our Messengers had come to them with clear authoritative evidence but many of them (Israelites) thereafter started doing wrong in the land.
Mohsin Khan: Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.
Arberry: Therefore We prescribed for the Children of Israel that whoso slays a soul not to retaliate for a soul slain, nor for corruption done in the land, shall be as if he had slain mankind altogether; and whoso gives life to a soul, shall be as if he ha given life to mankind altogether. Our Messengers have already come to them with the clear signs; then many of them thereafter commit excesses in the earth.

 

[sister herb]

A nice sentiment, but wouldn't isis and similar Muslim sympathizers say that you are not real Muslims!

Daesh and similar groups should remember that it´s a matter what belongs to Allah only - to know who is a Muslim and who isn´t.

 

[Mr.President]

I sometimes wonder what makes people to believe to the propaganda of groups like al-qaeda, daesh or boko haram. .

What makes a person turn towards isis, when he/she feels a spiritual drought and frustration about the state of muslims, and the western governments war against islam ..... Makes them feel that only organazations like isis answer them .... So they turn towards isis....... When west attacks them with drone strikes cordinated attacks coaltions, advanced weapons .......... And they do not posses equal wepons they turn towards suicide and mass murders to intimidate..........

But a muslim should be patient and should not resort to extermism , a muslim should condemn these things and continue
And make sure to supplicate on each and every prayer

 

[sister herb]

and the western governments war against islam

Now this is the common slogan what kind of groups love to spread in their propaganda. The extremely delusional argument but it has been popular every single time when here is any conflict between Muslim majority and non-Muslim majority troops.

Pure propaganda.

 

[sister herb]

double post

 

[Mr.President]

Now this is the common slogan what kind of groups love to spread in their propaganda. The extremely delusional argument but it has been popular every single time when here is any conflict between Muslim majority and non-Muslim majority troops.

Pure propaganda.

This may be used by extremist groups for propaganda, but weather u like it or not its a war on islam.... Its a strugle between two civilisations, secular civilization vs islamic ..... Do u really think any government would accept a true islamic government.

If its not war against muslims or islam what do u call the afghan, iraq, egypt ...etc,

War on terrorism ? Do u really think they attack shoot and kill only one or two terrorists who are hiding, they do not care weather u r a good muslim or a terrorist, if u are cpl of feets away from a terrorost and hit by a drone missile its called colltral damage

Again at the end lets be clear the only thing that stops me from joining or supporting groups like isis is islam, i oppose killing of innocent humans ..

 

[ardianto]

This may be used by extremist groups for propaganda, but weather u like it or not its a war on islam.... Its a strugle between two civilisations, secular civilization vs islamic ..... Do u really think any government would accept a true islamic government.

The West actually don't care about Islam if they are not disturbed by some Muslims.

 

[sister herb]

As I see those wars and attacks are cause of the modern colonial policy of the western world. You can call it as conflict of two civilizations but basic is the Western powers attempt to maintain their own political-economic position of power.

We should get rid of this kind of old-fashioned thinking that religions would have something to do why "the West" wants to rule the world. I still remember how during the Balkan wars at 1990 some Islamic countries tried to spread the idea that now this war (in ex-Yugoslavia) is the war against Islam. It was a good political slogan to increase hostile mentality against the West and prop up the leaders of the Islamic countries' own efforts to keep power. Behind of the war wasn´t old hate against the Muslims or Islam in general but greed of political and economical power in the region of Balkan.

If we want to find the real reason to conflicts in the world, we need to think what kind of economical benefits the attacker thinks to get if they will declare the war. The other main reason is the geopolitical position of those countries which again and again have been part of some conflict during their history. This same works also in other wars, not only those ones in the Middle East.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you all,

The San Bernardeno shooting was the second mass shooting on the day, and the 355th mass shooting for the year. And just to emphasize America's gun deaths...

Approx. 1.4 million gun deaths since 1968 in America. More Americans have died from guns in the United States since 1968 than on battlefields of all the wars in American history since 1775. Each year, the number of firearm-related deaths reach almost the equivalent of U.S. casualties in Korean War.

http://www.martingrandjean.ch/united-states-guns-and-wars/

In the spirit of praying for all victims.

Eric

 

[Mr.President]

Well i agree on the point that attackers gain economic benifits its one of the reason

ill retract the word "wests war on islam" cuz its a broad subject and i cannot prove but just speculate so i retract but in light of al quran and ahadeeth

The enmity of the kuffaar towards the believers is ongoing
https://islamqa.info/en/11400