300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

[MRR]

so actually yes islam is very differnt because muslims dont convert people
they dont say hey lil hungry boy if you want this peice of bread you have to be muslim
like some missionaries do in most poor countries
altho i have to say that the muslims are not nearly as active as the cristian missonaries which is sad to me

Peace

There is no proof of this, muslims say it all the time but never have proof.

 

[Wahid]

Hi Vahid,
Well actually, depending on where they live, when they grow up if they decide to leave islam they could be put to death. Elsewhere they at least would suffer being disowned from the family. Not really much choice. Raised as muslim, grow up, can't leave islam. No choice.

in non muslim countries they are free to do as they wish, what their parents dose is their own choice, some parents disown their kids after they become Muslims too. in a islamic state however it is a crime to change religion from Islam AND declare it to cause trouble
There are threads in refutation section that deal with this in ALOT more detail so refer to them
Refer here http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/4738-islam-apostasy.html

Can you provide evidence of this please?

Here is one stating different charities helping out. islamic groups are part of it but it doesn’t list the contribution amounts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4131881.stm
However in that time after the tsunami BBC news was reporting on how Islamists (as they like to call them) was doing the majority of help and it wasn’t sitting well with them

As far as the accusations go, the article is from islamonline. So it is an unreliable source when it comes to views on christianity, and christian work, as it is quite biased against christians.

they quote witnesses and government officials, and i disagree i think they are reliable in their sources however the language is religiously based obviously

 

[j4763]

I would imagine a child born into a Muslim family as hardly any choice of choosing his/her religion, as said above when they grow up if they did decide to leave Islam they have a very good chance of being disowned or worse.
I would also guess that the children born into any faith have that faith drummed into there head so much and grow up pretty closed minded, and fearful of there “god”.

I would love a world where no one (even from birth) was forced into a religion and given the choice of what to believe in when older enough to think for him/herself.

As far as these orphans are concerned I’m glad there getting some sort of help even it is in exchange for Christian love. It seems Christians are the only group who are actively helping others from outside there faith.

 

[MRR]

It seems Christians are the only group who are actively helping others from outside there faith.

This is an important point. It seems that christians are being persecuted for helping those that are not christian. Is it wrong to help those that are not of the same faith. If they went there and set up aid stations and said "only christians", what would some of you say then? It is like they can't win. Damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
Anyway, I have a couple of christian friends that spent time helping in aid groups in other countries. They say these allegations are rediculous. They help every person that needs help, and turn noone away. Muslim or christian.

 

[glo]

Thanks you for this article.
Your comments on it have been very interesting.

I am trying to unpick to differences/similarities between Islam and Christianity in terms of spreading the faith.
Like snakelegs, I have never had any Muslims come to my door to convert me ... but then I have never had any Christians do that either. I do get people trying to sell double glazing or feather dusters for charity ... :rollseyes

In both, Muslims and Christians alike, I detect a desire to talk about and share their faith. Would you agree?
With the conviction that those who do not share our belief in 'our' God will go to hell, comes a desire to 'save' those un-believers, especially those who are close to our hearts and who we love! Would you agree?
I would even go further and say, that Islam and Christianity give us a certain responsibility to share our faith, so that non-believers may see the truth for themselves and follow the right path. Would you agree?

Where, then, do we draw the line? :?

Most Christian aid groups I know have strict policies on evangelising (largely perhaps, because they are monitored by secular organisations :giggling: ).

I am trying to get a grasp of how Muslim aid groups would deal with a situation of orphaned (non-Muslim) children.
Let's assume a Muslim charity is working in a non-Muslim country where there are a large number of orphans.
What to do with them?
Make sure they are raised in the faith they are accustomed to? (Despite your own misgivings that this is the wrong belief?)
Make sure they are raised in the Muslim faith? (Which you believe is the right one?)
Not get involved with non-believers?

On a slightly different level, how do you feel about this situation:
The church I am involved in, runs a children's group once a week (ages 7 -14) The area I live in is urban, and fairly poor, so having activities for children is always welcome.
The group involves plenty of fun and activites, some sweets (so it's highly attractive to the children) ... and some quiet learning about Jesus' life and Christian values.
Before children join the group, it is made very clear to the parents that it is run by a church, based on Christian values, and will include some Christian teachings. Parents have to give their consent before children can join. A sheet with a Bible verse goes home every week, so parents are aware of what is going on at any time. Many non-Christian children - including Muslims - come.
What do you think?
Is our church right to do this?
Are we 'exploiting' the need of the community for children's activities to spread our faith?
Should such groups be run by non-religious organisations only?
Should the local mosque offer a similar group?

I let you ponder ... ;D

Peace.

 

[sonz]

salama

chk this out

Manufacturing Kufr

A Guide To Missionary Tactics

The Stealth Crusade

Conversion To Christianity: A Missionary Deception

Christian Missionaries Sweeping the Islamic World

Outsourcing religion, on a wing and a prayer

Missionary Christianity - A Muslim's Analysis

and also this http://www.inminds.co.uk/tsunami.html

 

[glo]

salama

chk this out

Manufacturing Kufr

A Guide To Missionary Tactics

The Stealth Crusade

Conversion To Christianity: A Missionary Deception

Christian Missionaries Sweeping the Islamic World

Outsourcing religion, on a wing and a prayer

Missionary Christianity - A Muslim's Analysis

and also this http://www.inminds.co.uk/tsunami.html

Thank you, sonz

Are these links in response to my previous post? If so, I have to tell you that I don't have the time to follow all these links.
I also very much enjoy and learn from direct human exchange of views.
Can you share you own views with me?

Peace.

 

[nimrod]

Vahid, when Iqram used the word “revert” I assumed he was talking about someone rejoining the Muslim faith.

“Well, whoever forces one to revert to Islam, that is not Islam”.

What did you think he meant when he used the word “revert”?

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Fishman]

Vahid, when Iqram used the word “revert” I assumed he was talking about someone rejoining the Muslim faith.

“Well, whoever forces one to revert to Islam, that is not Islam”.

What did you think he meant when he used the word “revert”?

Thanks
Nimrod

Muslims refer to conversion as reversion, because everybody is born Muslim.

 

[nimrod]

Ahh, I see.

I was un-aware of that, thanks for the heads-up.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Pk_#2]

AsalamuAlaykyum,

jazakhala for post!

That's sad and mean though :'(

Ameen to the du'as

WalaykumSalaam.

 

[Sis_ReNa]

Salam walakum wa rahamtuAllah wa barakatoh .
i wish i could take them All in..

 

[bandoo]

Dear Nem!

What you have written is plainly beyond the understanding of a simple and truthful soul like me! It is all blah...blah...blah... All hollow words and no substance. The poor Jesus could not save himself from being hanged from the tree (as claimed in one of the four gospels) so how could he save us from the clutches of any tyrany.

The Christian missionaries everywhere are purchasing the religions of poor people of other religions in exchange of money, jobs, medical aid, etc That is the truth. They are making a mockery of humanity. Interestingly, the various Christian sects (which hate each other) are converting Christians from one sect to another sect also. When the Pentacostals converted the Roman Catholic nation of Guatemala into a Pentacostal Christian nation the Pope was livid with anger and cursed these fellow Christians as Wolves in the white clothes. He of course forgot how the Catholic Church itself has committed genocide of innocent native Red Indians completely wiping them out of this world.

Bandoo

 

[HeiGou]

The Christian missionaries everywhere are purchasing the religions of poor people of other religions in exchange of money, jobs, medical aid, etc That is the truth.

Really? What is the evidence? And why aren't you condemning Muslims for doing the same? The Malaysians will pay Muslim men if they marry Orang Asli women and convert them to Islam. Even give them housing, an allowance and a car. Care to condemn that?

They are making a mockery of humanity. Interestingly, the various Christian sects (which hate each other) are converting Christians from one sect to another sect also. When the Pentacostals converted the Roman Catholic nation of Guatemala into a Pentacostal Christian nation the Pope was livid with anger and cursed these fellow Christians as Wolves in the white clothes. He of course forgot how the Catholic Church itself has committed genocide of innocent native Red Indians completely wiping them out of this world.

What nonsense is this? Where is the evidence of the Catholic Church ever committing genocide against innocent Native Americans? And again, why pick on the Catholics - where are the indigenous peoples of Pakistan? Where are the people who lived in Baluchistan before the Balochs?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

:salamext:

Im sure this happens to tons of young muslims. But 300 is quite a big batch.
Woulda been nice to raise them under islamic principles as they are clearly the highest and best but Allahu Allam, non can misguide those whom Allah guides!

:wasalamex

 

[Sis_ReNa]

well they can all come to my home LOL i will raise them to be muslim, we need to build a islamic community here . INSHALLAH

 

[Isaac]

Salam. You know what brothers and sisters i hate to sound so blunt, but its our own fault. The christian groups are doing what Muhammed pbuh taught us and urged us to do. But apart from a few we dont seem to be doing so. we are a very big muslim ummah yet we cant even help and feed the poor, take in the orpans, help the widowed. I swear us muslims have to unite. this is the only way we can show our mercy to the rest of the world. if we all united and had an islamic state inshallah there would be none of this happening. but we cant see face to face and it true and shameful that we have enmity in regards to colour and background.

I know its probably not so easy and straightforward but the muslim ummah should have one big umbrella kind of humantitarian organisation, instead of 100s of difdferent ones. they should come together and share their ideas, on how to help the poor and bring all the projects together. if we cant unite on aspects of faith we as an ummah, a nation can at least unite for the poor, sick, the orphan and those less fortunate than us.

 

[nimrod]

Isaac "Salam. You know what brothers and sisters i hate to sound so blunt, but its our own fault. The christian groups are doing what Muhammed pbuh taught us and urged us to do".

Thank you for stating this.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[duskiness]

The poor Jesus could not save himself from being hanged from the tree (as claimed in one of the four gospels) so how could he save us from the clutches of any tyrany.

- it was cross not tree, claimed in all 4 gospels. just to be precises.

The Christian missionaries everywhere are purchasing the religions of poor people of other religions in exchange of money, jobs, medical aid, etc That is the truth. They are making a mockery of humanity.

do you believe that faith can be "bought"? i mean "real faith". i always thought is a choice of soul.

Interestingly, the various Christian sects (which hate each other)

- hate? i never knew i hate them... But thanks to bandoo i have learned something about my own feelings

When the Pentacostals converted the Roman Catholic nation of Guatemala into a Pentacostal Christian nation the Pope was livid with anger and cursed these fellow Christians as Wolves in the white clothes.

-:giggling: any source, quotes bandoo?

And one more - i like Izaac's post.

n.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Isaac "Salam. You know what brothers and sisters i hate to sound so blunt, but its our own fault. The christian groups are doing what Muhammed pbuh taught us and urged us to do".

Thank you for stating this.

Thanks
Nimrod

its quite true.. anyway how are the christians doing this? Where are the muslims? This is indeed our fault

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