300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

[Isaac]

the largest humanitarian groups in africa are from western nations and there are a number of solely christian based ngos that are undertaing humanitarian work. some from other parts of the world carrying out humanitrian work include Christian organisations Church World Service (CWS), Australian Catholic Relief in Cambodia and the Jesuit Refugee Service.

further proof that chritisna ngos are doing humanitrain work. and this is how they do it. so why cant we become more successful. are we not suppose to compete with one another for the sake of allahs pleasure. like i said earlier im not sayng we muslims dont do humanitarian work, but wha i am saying is we could do much more with the will of allah and all the riches he has bestwoed to the muslim ummah, ie. oil, intellects ect ect.

There are six notable ways in which Christian aid agencies differ from non-religious NGOs in disaster settings:.

● Source of contributions: Christian NGOs are able to draw contributions (financial, in-kind, and in volunteer time) from thousands of churches and Christians around the world.

● Overseas partners: There are local churches in almost every country of the world that provide natural partners for relief agencies. Indeed, Christian NGOs regularly seek out the opportunity to work with local congregations in the communities of both the forced migrants and the host countries.

● Larger purpose: Unlike non-religious NGOs, Christian NGOs are able to offer disaster victims a holy vision of a better life after the crisis, reason for continuing as an active member of a community, a system of hope, and, particularly for aid workers, a system of ethics for relationships. However, because of prohibitions against the use of federal funds for religious activity, Christian NGOs must be scrupulous in separating their religious activities from their medical work. As a result, this important benefit is rarely documented.

● Access: Religious NGOs sometimes have extra access to war affected and rural peoples because of their alliances with local churches, or because they are known to be independent of government control.

● Responsibility for peace: Christian NGOs frequently focus their response efforts on building peace. Health activities are one important mechanism in peace-making and rebuilding trust.

● Focus: Some evaluators have observed that faith-based NGOs are more dedicated to the hard work involved in disaster zones, than the less-religious NGOs. Organizational politics, administrative problems, and salary negotiations are kept in perspective with the needs of the people being served when workers already “know why they are there

 

[Panatella]

the largest humanitarian groups in africa are from western nations and there are a number of solely christian based ngos that are undertaing humanitarian work. some from other parts of the world carrying out humanitrian work include Christian organisations Church World Service (CWS), Australian Catholic Relief in Cambodia and the Jesuit Refugee Service.

further proof that chritisna ngos are doing humanitrain work. and this is how they do it. so why cant we become more successful. are we not suppose to compete with one another for the sake of allahs pleasure. like i said earlier im not sayng we muslims dont do humanitarian work, but wha i am saying is we could do much more with the will of allah and all the riches he has bestwoed to the muslim ummah, ie. oil, intellects ect ect.

There are six notable ways in which Christian aid agencies differ from non-religious NGOs in disaster settings:.

● Source of contributions: Christian NGOs are able to draw contributions (financial, in-kind, and in volunteer time) from thousands of churches and Christians around the world.

● Overseas partners: There are local churches in almost every country of the world that provide natural partners for relief agencies. Indeed, Christian NGOs regularly seek out the opportunity to work with local congregations in the communities of both the forced migrants and the host countries.

● Larger purpose: Unlike non-religious NGOs, Christian NGOs are able to offer disaster victims a holy vision of a better life after the crisis, reason for continuing as an active member of a community, a system of hope, and, particularly for aid workers, a system of ethics for relationships. However, because of prohibitions against the use of federal funds for religious activity, Christian NGOs must be scrupulous in separating their religious activities from their medical work. As a result, this important benefit is rarely documented.

● Access: Religious NGOs sometimes have extra access to war affected and rural peoples because of their alliances with local churches, or because they are known to be independent of government control.

● Responsibility for peace: Christian NGOs frequently focus their response efforts on building peace. Health activities are one important mechanism in peace-making and rebuilding trust.

● Focus: Some evaluators have observed that faith-based NGOs are more dedicated to the hard work involved in disaster zones, than the less-religious NGOs. Organizational politics, administrative problems, and salary negotiations are kept in perspective with the needs of the people being served when workers already “know why they are there

There is no reason muslim groups cannot do the same. How about joint efforts between muslims and christians? Alot can still be done.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

There is no reason muslim groups cannot do the same. How about joint efforts between muslims and christians? Alot can still be done.

ye and we might be able to revert a lot of them to islam

:salamext:

 

[Panatella]

ye and we might be able to revert a lot of them to islam

:salamext:

Perhaps each morning one muslim and one christian could arm wrestle for it (and who washes the dishes).

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Perhaps each morning one muslim and one christian could arm wrestle for it (and who washes the dishes).

LOL for who washes the dishes we can do a nice game of Rock Paper Scissors

:salamext:

 

[Isaac]

pantella. that is a good point you make. and the biggest humanitarian organisation in the world is actually a mix of the red cross and the red crescent. they both come from different sides of the world with different stepping stones but praise be to allah they all share the same objective for once which is to help those in need.

 

[duskiness]

pantella. that is a good point you make. and the biggest humanitarian organisation in the world is actually a mix of the red cross and the red crescent. they both come from different sides of the world with different stepping stones but praise be to allah they all share the same objective for once which is to help those in need.

but red cross/red crescent is non-religious ngo and i fact this is one organisation or one movement using 2 (or more - red star in israel, and there was red lion in iran) emblemas. Btw. now they are starting to use "red cristal" : http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/emblem!Open

n.

 

[Bittersteel]

The Malaysians will pay Muslim men if they marry Orang Asli women and convert them to Islam. Even give them housing, an allowance and a car. Care to condemn that?

Care to provide evidence?

 

[Woodrow]

A thought just came to mind. Why would anyone want to belong to a denomination that has such a hard time finding members, they have to resort to buying children?

This is not directed to any religion as this is more of a practice among sects and cults rather then people who sincerly believe in their religion.

 

[KAding]

Salam. You know what brothers and sisters i hate to sound so blunt, but its our own fault. The christian groups are doing what Muhammed pbuh taught us and urged us to do. But apart from a few we dont seem to be doing so. we are a very big muslim ummah yet we cant even help and feed the poor, take in the orpans, help the widowed. I swear us muslims have to unite. this is the only way we can show our mercy to the rest of the world.

To be honest, I doubt 'unity' has much to do with it. Christianity is about as splintered a religion as one can imagine. All the different Christian denominations and churches are competing for the 'soul' of their fellow human beings. The strength of Christianity IMHO is very much in its diversity. A monolithic religion is not what attracts people IMHO, since it might well be that many can not find in it what they want. I think this competition is a great motivator for the Christian churches, since they will simply lose support in the longer term if they fail to find new members.

if we all united and had an islamic state inshallah there would be none of this happening. but we cant see face to face and it true and shameful that we have enmity in regards to colour and background.

Indeed, in an Islamic state it would not happen. Since proletyzing would simply be outlawed. Father state at its best trying to protect the masses against themselves :giggling:.

I know its probably not so easy and straightforward but the muslim ummah should have one big umbrella kind of humantitarian organisation, instead of 100s of difdferent ones. they should come together and share their ideas, on how to help the poor and bring all the projects together. if we cant unite on aspects of faith we as an ummah, a nation can at least unite for the poor, sick, the orphan and those less fortunate than us.

Again, I disagree. If we have learn one thing in history it is that monopolies, especially under the umbrella of the state, perform worse then '100s of different' independent organizations competing with eachother. Muslims should stop being so scared of diversity and pluralism.

 

[KAding]

A thought just came to mind. Why would anyone want to belong to a denomination that has such a hard time finding members, they have to resort to buying children?

This is not directed to any religion as this is more of a practice among sects and cults rather then people who sincerly believe in their religion.

Remember, they believe they are 'saving' people. Maybe some people need a little 'motivator' before they are willing to be 'saved'. Surely, the soul of whoever was 'saved' far outweighs the material 'cost' of conversion. After all, even one soul is worth more then all the money in the world! In fact, if you have the money, then isn't it your duty to use it to save as many souls from the hellfire as possible?

I'm simply guessing of course. And I'm an atheist, so take it for what it is worth. But I can certainly see how some missionaries would reason like that.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ I see your reasoning and its mainly due to the reward and expiation from hell. Noone does anything for free until they truelly learn to love Allah for the sake of loving Allah alone - (Achieving this is a great feat)

eace:

 

[nimrod]

I guess I am just slow today in my understanding.

Woodrow what exactly do you mean by “they have to resort to buying children?”?

The web-site linked on this thread tried to link a Christian group to human trafficking.

Are you saying they were buying and selling children?

That is what the web-site tried to imply, but I didn’t see where they offered any proof.

Sorry, but I am just not understanding.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[north_malaysian]

Why these things happened? - Muslim ummah are not merciful and helpful. We just think of ourselves (I meant those rich multi billionaire Muslims)

 

[nimrod]

Abd’Majid “No one does anything for free until they truly learn to love Allah for the sake of loving Allah alone - (Achieving this is a great feat)”.

I assume that you would agree that these Christians are doing what they do, for free.

Correct?

I would also add that some Athiest do what they do for free, after all they were created in God's image as well.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Woodrow]

I guess I am just slow today in my understanding.

Woodrow what exactly do you mean by “they have to resort to buying children?”?

Essentialy that is what they are doing. First helping the Children then coaxing them into accepting their version of Christianity. It seems the Charity work is not for the sake of charity, it is to recruit converts.

The web-site linked on this thread tried to link a Christian group to human trafficking.
What web site? I'm at a lose there.

Are you saying they were buying and selling children?

No selling of them. Simply using the name of charity to recruit converts.

That is what the web-site tried to imply, but I didn’t see where they offered any proof.

What WEB site?

Sorry, but I am just not understanding.

Thanks
Nimrod

Hopefully my answers above clarified my meaning. But, I am curious about the web site you are mentioning. Could you direct me to the one you are refering to.

 

[nimrod]

Woodrow, this one http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-01/13/article05.shtml

It is listed as the source in the very first post on this thread.

As an aside they attempt to slander the Christian group in the link provided on the first page.
They, a second time, transitioned from talking about the Christian group to human traffickers here:
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-01/06/article04.shtml
without making any distinction.
They twice implied that the Christian group was taking part in human trafficking.
As I posted on post # 33 of this thread.

When you say “coax” what exactly do you mean, and is it any different from what Muslims are taught to do?

Is coaxing the same as buying?

Sorry, I thought you had taken the time to read the web-site linked in the first post on this thread and your posts had been made in the same theme.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[north_malaysian]

Care to provide evidence?

It's mentioned in dailies last week. Islamist Governemnt of Kelantan will offer RM10,000.00 for Muslim missionaries if they marries Orang Asli women. But it's just a suggestion and being backfired by Muslims and most ISlamists too.

 

[Woodrow]

Woodrow, this one http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-01/13/article05.shtml

It is listed as the source in the very first post on this thread.

As an aside they attempt to slander the Christian group in the link provided on the first page.
They, a second time, transitioned from talking about the Christian group to human traffickers here:
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-01/06/article04.shtml
without making any distinction.
They twice implied that the Christian group was taking part in human trafficking.
As I posted on post # 33 of this thread.

When you say “coax” what exactly do you mean, and is it any different from what Muslims are taught to do?

Is coaxing the same as buying?

Sorry, I thought you had taken the time to read the web-site linked in the first post on this thread and your posts had been made in the same theme.

Thanks
Nimrod

No problem, I now see how you could have thought I was merely following in line with the source link. I did not see that link in quite the same way you read it. But, we are both looking from different perspectives.

Now to try to explain one step at a time:

When you say “coax” what exactly do you mean, and is it any different from what Muslims are taught to do?

Is coaxing the same as buying?

In my concept of coaxing it is covert coercien, a sales tactic of using a person's fears or gratitude to manipulate them into accepting what you are trying to sway them into believing and wanting.

To me it is a form of buying. Perhaps not with cash, but through time and effort expended to obtain a return either tangigble or intangible.

and is it any different from what Muslims are taught to do?


Muslims are taught that charity is just that, charity freely given with no expectation of return. Our concept of prostelyzing our religion is very similar to that of the Jews. We do not believe in prostelyzing. If We Gain a revert it is because the person learns of Islam through what we do, and not through what we say. I do not know of any Muslim who has ever seriously asked a non-Muslim to become Muslim, unless the person was a very close friend or family member.

PEACE,

 

[nimrod]

Woodrow “In my concept of coaxing it is covert coercion, a sales tactic of using a person's fears or gratitude to manipulate them into accepting what you are trying to sway them into believing and wanting”.

Fair enough. Now tell me Exactly what it is that, this group has done that, you disagree with.

Tell me Exactly how they are resorting to “buying children” (your words).

It seems to me that the group is simply providing free help to anyone who needs it.

They are also spreading their message of God, to anyone willing to listen.

They are not with-holding any help from anyone not willing to listen.

So what is the problem?

Does not Islam teach you to do the very same thing?

Why did the site try to link them to human trafficking?

Let’s stand up together and side by side condemn the link that this thread was started from.

The link was biased in an ugly way, and that isn’t Islam nor is it Christian.

Thanks
Nimrod