300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

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Emir Aziz said:
some groups actually hold back food if you don't accept Jesus or something like that.
besides they rely on lies and deceit.so Christians aren't better than us terrorist,sexist,evil Muslims.
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I have heard this several times before, and I have challenged people to provide me with evidence for any such activities. So far nobody has done so.
If these rumours are actually true, they would be going very much against Jesus' teachings - and I, for one, would be very happy to try and take action against any such organisation.

So, if you have real evidence, and can name any organisation, please let me know, Emir Aziz!

peace.
 
glo said:
I have heard this several times before, and I have challenged people to provide me with evidence for any such activities. So far nobody has done so.
If these rumours are actually true, they would be going very much against Jesus' teachings - and I, for one, would be very happy to try and take action against any such organisation.

So, if you have real evidence, and can name any organisation, please let me know, Emir Aziz!

peace.
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I have asked several times for the proof of this, but it seems to only be a myth.
 
alright I will try.you can google too.and it occured in the Tsunami disaster and Buddhists were victims too.
 
nimrod said:
Glo, I too read the article Snake Legs referred to.

I guess, I am not just understanding the math.

From the article:

"Virtually overnight, local believers are left destitute and exposed." The study cites Indonesia, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and Pakistan as particularly repressive. In one East African community, it reports, converts were "systematically hunted down and martyred by adherents to Islam. Other believers are displaced; they live in refugee camps; they reside in adjacent countries, or in the West."

So these converts to Christianity are hunted down and murdered among other bad things happening to them………. And it’s the fault of the Missionaries??????

Surely that has to be some twisted logic.

The problem is the fact that these people, who are providing free food and help to people who need it, also talk about Jesus??????

The real problem isn’t those that are going around persecuting and sometimes murdering those who convert????????

Man that has to be some twisted logic.

I just don’t get it.

That's like saying "She deserved to get raped because of the way she was dressed".

Do you understand what I am saying Glo?

Thanks
Nimrod
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hi nimrod,
i know you weren't talking to me, but anyway....when has that ever stopped me?
yes, the repressive countries are at fault. for sure. however, how can you justify converting somebody even tho you know the person could be killed because of his new faith (which is totally outrageous) and justify it on the grounds that you've saved him from roasting in hell after death? don't you think you should leave things like this is god's hands?
i don't think this group is representative of christian missionaries, but it's due to the few that are like this that missionaries have a bad reputation among non-christians. in india, a lot of hindus are getting pretty alarmed too. it is not only religion - i've heard from many indians that in the mission schools they are taught to look down on anything indian and not allowed to speak indian languages. although i've also heard of mission schools that did not do this and just provided a good education.
it's not quite like it used to be - the tv evangelical business has huge amounts of cash at its disposal to shower potential converts with goodies. there is a growing animosity toward christian missionaries in the non-christian world.
yes - the real problem in this case is indeed those who are persecuting and even killing the converts. no argument on that. but wouldn't you think twice before you helped put someone in this much danger? we can't change those hideous laws, but we can avoid putting someone in this position. i don't know how a missionary could just walk away and feel no sense of responsibility.
if a person lives a just and moral life, do you really believe that god is going to send him to hell because he followed the wrong brand of religion?
people should be free to choose their religion and not stay in one only because they are forced to do so by threat of death.
i support people's right to adopt a new religion, but i am opposed to missionaries.
ultimately, the way i see it - it is a matter between the individual and god. but of course a muslim or christian wouldn't see it that way.
 
Has anyone ever realised why apostates in islam are killed? Their killed because its a form of treason.


Now that may seem offensive to some - but just think about it, the USA (the worlds "greatest power") has the punishment of death on anyone who commits treason.


So why should it be such a controversial issue? Belief that no-one should worship anything else, except the One God who created that person is more serious than killing someone just because they went against the country they are located in?


Just something to think about.. and Allaah Almighty knows best.


Peace.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Has anyone ever realised why apostates in islam are killed? Their killed because its a form of treason.


Now that may seem offensive to some - but just think about it, the USA (the worlds "greatest power") has the punishment of death on anyone who commits treason.


So why should it be such a controversial issue? Belief that no-one should worship anything else, except the One God who created that person is more serious than killing someone just because they went against the country they are located in?


Just something to think about.. and Allaah Almighty knows best.


Peace.
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it is due to reasons like this that islam is regarded more as an ideology and not just a religion, and as such, a potential danger to non-muslims.
 
"CASE HISTORY OF A WOMAN WHO CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY"

1997: Usha Chamanlal converted to Christianity.
1998, Jan. Usha made contact with Willard Thiessen of "Trinity Television' "Its a New Day"
1998, Sept. Usha started working for "Trinity television"
1998, Nov. Usha stated that Betty Thiessen told her that if she made it harder on her husband he might become closer to God.
1998, Nov. Pastor Bob (Willards son-in-law and Usha's counselor) stated she should remove all hindrances and obstacles in her quest for Christ.
1998, Nov. Usha deserts her husband and abandons her eight year old son to live with Brent Anderson (a cameraman at Trinity Television ) "to save souls for Christ" (Letters and journals 1998, Nov.)

The results of converting to Christianity can be disastrous to converts and their families. It is interesting to note that these people want ethics and morals put into Muslim governments.

The evangelist can find that breaking up families can be economically advantageous. Young people can contribute future earnings to the ministry. Young women and wives can be used sexually by the ministry. An economic advantage is also gained by wives who leave their husbands, especially in North America. If a woman is articulate she can be persuaded to go on the speakers circuit to make money for the ministry. ( Abuse by her husband is a good topic in North America. ) In North America there are professional speakers who go from church to church or ministry raising money for the people who sponsor them. If a woman has talents in the martial arts she can be persuaded to make teaching tapes for the ministry to distribute to create extra income. In North America the property is divided upon divorce. The woman can be persuaded to give the proceeds from the property settlement to the ministry. In Manitoba, Canada the assets: car, home, business, pension funds, etc. are divided 50/50 upon divorce. If the woman can be persuaded by the ministry to donate this money to the ministry this can be very lucrative. Widows alienated from their children can be asked to leave money to the ministry in their will when they die. (Trinity Television Newsletter Nov. 1998) In North America a will is a legal document which describes who you want your money and assets to be given to when you die.

In this paper I have only touched the surface of conversion to Christianity. If anyone wants to receive further information from me my email address is : <removed>. If you have links I would appreciate them. If you are want more of this information please contact me. If you have any comments on this article they would be appreciated.

David Kostinchuk

http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/dawah/0011.htm

this story could be false but not sure.such things have happened.
even a Christian woman left her Christian husband(I met this guy on the forums) for a Muslim man and she converted apparently for marriage.
and I regard this as wrong.I felt sorry and still do for that Christian guy.
 
Thanks, Emir Aziz.
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you are welcome.I heard this after the Katrina incident too(hurricane Katrina).maybe some groups were like this and maybe some weren't.

Don't misunderstand me glo ,Christians can preach all they want ,I don't care if Muslims convert to Christianity.Its these deceitful methods used that angers me.

http://www.truthformuslims.com/articles/wsj_2001.htm

Here it Is:http://in.news.yahoo.com/050116/139/2j1rp.html

Sunday January 16, 5:13 PM

Villagers furious with Christian Missionaries







Samanthapettai, Jan 16 (ANI): Rage and fury has gripped this tsunami-hit tiny Hindu village in India's southern Tamil Nadu after a group of Christian missionaries allegedly refused them aid for not agreeing to follow their religion.

Samanthapettai, near the temple town of Madurai, faced near devastation on the December 26 when massive tidal waves wiped it clean of homes and lives.

Most of the 200 people here are homeless or displaced , battling to rebuild lives and locating lost family members besides facing risks of epidemic,disease and trauma.

Jubilant at seeing the relief trucks loaded with food, clothes and the much-needed medicines the villagers, many of who have not had a square meal in days, were shocked when the nuns asked them to convert before distributing biscuits and water.

Heated arguments broke out as the locals forcibly tried to stop the relief trucks from leaving. The missionaries, who rushed into their cars on seeing television reporters and the cameras refusing to comment on the incident and managed to leave the village.

Disappointed and shocked into disbelief the hapless villagers still await aid.

"Many NGOs (volunteer groups) are extending help to us but there in our village the NGO, which was till now helping us is now asking us to follow the Christian religion. We are staunch followers of Hindu religion and refused their request. And after that these people with their aid materials are leaving the village without distributing that to us," Rajni Kumar, a villager said.

The incident is an exception to concerted charity in a catastrophe that has left no one untouched.(ANI)
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Hi Emir Aziz

Thanks for the links.

I must say, it not quite what I imagined when you said 'some groups actually hold back food if you don't accept Jesus'.

I also bear in mind that the article you provided is very heavily pro-Islam and anti-Christianity, but it names a good few organisations, which I will try to read up on.

Its these deceitful methods used that angers me.
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I quite agree!
The way I see it, having to employ such devious methods actually demonstrates a lack of faith in God. If you believe that God can speak into people's hearts and lead them to the truth, then you only need prayer, not sledge-hammer approaches!
Which takes us back to providing help for people in needs, and sharing your faith as and when appropriate and invited.
peace.
 
Here it Is:http://in.news.yahoo.com/050116/139/2j1rp.html

A shame that the organisation behind the alleged incident isn't named.
I guess with so many unchartered groups, nobody quite knows who is who, and people aren't accountable. The more reason for more strategic joint working under umbrella organisations!

I'm glad they put this comment in:
The incident is an exception to concerted charity in a catastrophe that has left no one untouched.
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peace.
 
Thanks Emir Aziz,
That is the first evidence I have seen of this. It is not common for aid groups to do this of course, these clowns are an exception.
People should not be discouraged from contributing to aid groups, but it might be better to give to the larger well known ones.
 
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I m quite experience of some of the events like this in my locality

Most of the time events happened in a very rural area.

Needy uneducated people targeted. it's not a new news of the world.
(open secret)

In Islam: u cannot covert others by force but convey the massage of Allaah

Al-Qur'an, 002.256 (Al-Baqara [The Cow])
Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
 
Fishman said:
:sl:
I know (and appreciate) that Muslims do their bit to spread the Word of Allah. But I don't know many incidences of Muslims forcing their religion on children.
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Perhaps you'd like to attend the places i have where they get so called converts from other faiths to mock the relgion they've left behind (with force) to the sound of applause. I'm serious, if anyone wants to go let me know and let me tell you it's an eye opener. However i do not include all muslims to participate in such acts. I know of a few who are firm in their faith and respect mine too!
 
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Fishman said:
:sl:
So you really advocate forcing children to change their religion?
:w:
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Where is the problem? Some cheer here when Jews get killed. Anyway, when the kids reach mature age, they still can decide, what religion they want. - lucky kids, they can have a view from different angles -
 
Oh subahnallah......may Allah save them from it..

"wa yamkuruuna wa yamkuru Allahu wallahu khyrul maakireen"
and they plot, but Allah is plotting and Allah is the best of plotters..

How can people here adopt them, is it possible?

wassalaam
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Is that hypocritical when some muslims devote their every breath to convert others?
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The Messenger's duty is but to proclaim (the message). But Allah knoweth all that ye reveal and ye conceal. (5:99)​


We don't need to force anyone to convert:

Nay, is he not acquainted with what is in the Books of Moses-

And of Abraham who fulfilled his engagements?-

Namely, that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another;


[Qur'aan 53: 37-39]


Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (Qur'an 2:256)

​


Peace.




 

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