300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

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Whomsoever Allah guides none can misguide and whosoever Allah misguides noone can guide.
 
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This is sickening. It is child abuse. It completely disgusts me.

It is classic brainwashing. Take somebody at their most desparate and help them up, and attach your propaganda while doing so. These missionaries are preying on the vulnerable. They are scum of the lowest order.

Charity should be done for the sake of charity, not for the sake of brainwashing.

When a charity approaches me for a donation I always have two questions. First, What is the overhead? Second, Is this charity in any way affiliated with any religion or world view?

I will seek out secular charities and give them my charitable contributions. My personal favourite is Doctors Without Borders.
 
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Fishman said:
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I know (and appreciate) that Muslims do their bit to spread the Word of Allah. But I don't know many incidences of Muslims forcing their religion on children.
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Except of course upon their own children.

And I agree that Muslims have been less pushy with their religion on me. They tend to keep it to themselves here. I do not know if this will hold true if they become the majority though. Only time will tell.
 
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Perhaps this is a good opportunity for all of us to remember and pray for those who suffered in the Tsunami, which happened two years ago today.
Many have not yet rebuilt their lives fully ... :cry:

Peace on earth to all mankind.
 
acually these 300 children are not being Christianized.the Indonesian government stopped it,IIRC.Go and check Islamonline.net.
 
Israfil said:
Any that is wrong how?? It is only unethical if they exploit Islam upon their children for evil purposes such as terrorism.
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Depends on your perspective really.

It certainly isn't as evil as those who exploit upon their children for terrorism. There we agree.
 
sudais1 said:
How can I adopt one??
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Not sure, but it has become harder because many people wish to traffic children and make them slaves and stuff. The goverment is really trying to stop it so expect a tough time, but I still encourage you to do so.
 
This reminds me of something I read on Islam-QA:
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=39655&ln=eng&txt=dhimmi
Question:
Is it permissible to give zakaah to a kaafir?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

It is not permissible to give zakaah to a kaafir except if it is to attract the hearts of those who have been inclined towards Islam.
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Perhaps some Christian denominations have similar rules?
 
KAding said:
This reminds me of something I read on Islam-QA:
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=39655&ln=eng&txt=dhimmi


Perhaps some Christian denominations have similar rules?
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Woah, this question has intrigued me, KAding!

Am I reading correctly that Muslims are not supposed to extend their charitable giving to non-Muslims, unless they are at least 'inclined towards Islam'?

What's interesting is that Christians are sometimes criticised for trying to convert people to Christianity by offering them food and material goods - especially in uderpriviledged and impoverished countries ... :cry:
But this Islamic ruling does not seem all so different. Along the lines of 'I cannot give zakaah to you, unless you show an interest in Islam' ... :rollseyes

In both situations I would say it is
  1. unethical to exploit people's unmet needs and suffering to try and convert them, and
    [*]it is a highly ineffective way of changing people's beliefs. People's motivation to seek God should come from within, and not be driven by hunger ...!

But that aside, I tried to find an answer to your question. I came across this site, which does not affiliate itself to any specific denomination, but is based on Protestant teachings:
Statement of faith here: http://www.generousgiving.org/page.asp?sec=1&page=164

To whom should I give?
While the Bible does not spell everything out in as much detail as we might like, it does give us some clear instructions on to whom we should give.

(1) We should give to the church. The church is the bride of Christ and God’s unique institution in the world. As such, it is the first and worthiest recipient of Christian giving. Specifically, we should give to pay pastors for their work (1 Timothy 5:17-18) and to support our missionaries (Philippians 4:15-19), among other things.
(2) We should give to the needy in the church. The Bible has a special concern for the poor and needy, specifically widows and orphans (James 1:27), the hungry, the thirsty, the sick, the naked, aliens and prisoners (Matthew 25:34-40), as well as victims of calamity (Luke 10:30-37). Because the Christian church is our spiritual family, we are especially responsible for the Christian needy (Romans 12:13), in the same way that we give attention to our own spouses, children and parents over other people.
(3) We should give to the needy in the world . While our first responsibility is to our needy Christian brothers, the Bible also instructs us to give to the poor and needy in general, Christian or not(Deuteronomy 15:11).
(4) We should give even to our enemies. This is perhaps the special mark of Christian generosity. Because God in Christ gave to us when we were his enemies, he calls us to be like him by giving to our enemies. This is the point of Jesus’ story of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:30-37) and of Paul’s instruction in Romans 12:20.
(5) We should give to the kingdom of God generally. If you’re not sure where to start looking, use the Generous Giving Marketplace to find opportunities to give to ministries that share your particular passions and calling in God’s kingdom. The above categories do not exhaust the things to which Christians may give. Rather, the Bible sparks our creativity to give to God’s work wherever we find it. We are first of all responsible for the church and for the poor, but beyond that, we can and should give imaginatively so as to seek the kingdom of God (Matthew 6:33).
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Whole site: http://www.generousgiving.org/page.asp?sec=43&page=412

Now I have found this site, I will keep it bookmarked. It looks very interesting! :)

Peace
 
Of course any would want help in their time of need, but no child is asking u to come and brainwash, thats not charity people! Whoever thinks otherwise, is lacking half a brain, or all of it maybe. Mind u, a child is still learning and someone is pushing ideas in there head, especially when they become orphans due to circumstances. Charity is much appreciated, regardless of what faith, but dont push your beliefs in someone else head, especially when they're prolly feeling weak. Im no high official on my faith. If and when i give charity to people, regardless if they're in my faith or not, i dont preach my faith at the same time. The time the earthquake happened in Pakistan, my mom went to a church near my house, cuz a sister there wanted to help. So i thought how nice. But when I checked through what they gave, they had pamphlets, papers etc saying Jesus loves you. Basically anything a Christian would say, that we wouldnt. Why would u do that when majority are Muslim? Is that not missionizing? If i ever wrote something, i would write trust in God or something good, not preach my faith. Tell me about one Msulim who forces their faith on you. And no im not talking about Al Qaeda or Taliban.

ok i needed to get it out:phew
Peace
 
I just read the article, and as I'm pressed for time, I'll add my two cents:

This article is pure baloney. Obviously, this "Press Release" is grossly unreliable since it comes from the offending agency itself, and as everyone here knows that these pigs are perfectly willing to sink to deceit to accomplish their tasks, it should also come as no surprise that they are willing to do the same in reporting their "success".

In reality, christian missionaries are growing extremely frustrated with their lack of success, despite their lying ways (example, Time magazing once reported a christian mission in Kenya broadcasting a false adhan to lure unsuspecting Muslims to hear christian preaching....). A hospital I used to work at funded several protestant christian missions, and it always used to bring a smile to my face when the flustered and unsuccessful missionaries returned from africa complaining about stubborn and deluded muslims. Their primary tactic was to deliver "food aid" to Muslim villages along with crates of Bibles in the local language. Of course, both would be eagerly accepted by the hungry Muslims. The Missionaries would leave, and come back the next morning to preach to their new batch of converts.

THey would arrive only to find the bibles and empty food crates stacked in a pile outside the village. Haha!


I have had no doubt that a few missionaries have been successfuly; they deliberately prey on the weak willed, weak minded, and ignorant. But I have every confidence that the numbers they report are grossly exaggerated. I also know they are hideous liars who will recieve hell for their recompense. Dressing up as shaykhs, pulling the above mentioned adhan trick, passing out bibles and calling them Qur'ans.....christian missionaries have no sense of integrity.
 
I will have to do some greater research into these claims of Christian missionaries going through all kinds of remarkable efforts to deceive non-Christians into becoming Christians ... most of those accounts are anecdotal and seem - forgive me for saying so - of a rather propagandistic nature.

Whilst I cannot and will not disproof that some people may use unconventional and unethical practices - and I would condemn those strongly!!! - none of the mainstream Christian missionary charities apply such tactics ... but then, perhaps I am totally naive and ignorant! :rollseyes

Perhaps I am just trying to add a little balance to this thread ... and perhaps it is futile of me to do so - but please don't think that this kind of thing is what Christianity teaches ... :?
If nothing else, cohercing people into changing their religion would be meaningless! God knows our hearts, and he knows whether our faith is genuine or just pretend. And that is what matters.

We should neither try to coherce people into converting into our faith, nor prevent people from converting into another faith if they so desire ...
Both, Christianity and Islam would do well to remember that! :rollseyes

It is easy for us to say that 'people have free will' and that there is 'no compulsion in religion' - but it is not so easy to apply in practice, when many of us desire to see other people to come to or remain in what we perceive to be the 'true faith'.
Perhaps we should all search out hearts in this matter ...

peace
 
glo said:
Am I reading correctly that Muslims are not supposed to extend their charitable giving to non-Muslims, unless they are at least 'inclined towards Islam'?
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Hi Glo,

No it is not true that Muslims cannot give in charity to non-Muslims. There is a difference between zakat and charity. Zakat is like a tax payed by the Muslims has a specific use:

“As-Sadaqaat (here it means Zakaah) are only for the Fuqaraa’ (poor), and Al‑Masaakeen (the poor) and those employed to collect (the funds); and to attract the hearts of those who have been inclined (towards Islam); and to free the captives; and for those in debt; and for Allaah’s Cause (i.e. for Mujaahidoon — those fighting in a holy battle), and for the wayfarer (a traveller who is cut off from everything); a duty imposed by Allaah. And Allaah is All-Knower, All-Wise”

[al-Tawbah 9:60]​

Charity itself is different to zakat, and is not compulsory and can be given to anyone, Muslim or non-Muslim:

9 – It is not permissible to give zakaah to kuffaar and mushrikeen.

Sadaqah may be given to kuffaar and mushrikeen.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And they give food, in spite of their love for it (or for the love of Him), to the Miskeen (the poor), the orphan, and the captive”

[al-Insaan 76:8]

Al-Qurtubi said: In dar al-Islam (the Muslim lands), a captive could only be a mushrik.​

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=9449&ln=eng

Hope that helps!
 

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