5,600 years since humanity began?

i quoted the timeline as a "food for thought" because it can make sense.

This subject isnt very important to be honest but that quotation in the OP being daeef doesnt really abolish the possibility of a fairly young world right?


Allah knows best. Theres so many quotations out there from classical scholars who seem to believe this world is young.... and I give my faith to their work. but if you guys believe such a huge amount of narrations to be fabricated/weak unworthy of attention fair enough.
 
Ooh, I used the video to highlight Dr. Israr's answers, not the host. I do not even know who the host is.

Dr. Israr, who was a Quranic scholar of quite a high rank, does say in the video that evolution can fit in (for creation of Adam or after his creation, it is not clear). He also said that it is possible Allah swt created a whole generation of species out of whom He chose Adam as Prophet and the rest died off.

But yea, the host was being very provocative.
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You've picked out one video of one person, that supports your line of thinking, while ignoring the many that speak against it.

This article originates from islam21c, but my computer won't let me go to it, but found it copied and pasted on another site, so will leave that for you to read:

http://quranreciter.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/the-prophet-adam-and-human-evolution-aqeedah/

No one denies this. But we do not know what Allah's Hands mean or look like. It could involve a long process or it could be instant, you admitted that we do not exactly know what Allah using His Hands means. So it can be either way right? A long process of evolution (again guided by Allah's hands) or a direct creation? It is not as clear.
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The Qur'an tells us, and it is the agreement of the scholars past and present, that Allah made Adam as a new creation, directly, with His hands, as outlined in the Qur'an.

The Qur'anic verses tell us it was a direct creation, and we have no reason to doubt that. They do not tell us that Adam evolved from apes or other beings, nor do we have any reason to suspect that.

O children of Adam, let not Satan tempt you as he removed your parents from Paradise, stripping them of their clothing to show them their private parts. Indeed, he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you do not see them. Indeed, We have made the devils allies to those who do not believe. (7:27)

Allah tells all of humanity in the Qur'an that Adam and Hawwaa (peace be upon them both) were our parents, and that we are the children of Adam. You cannot get any clearer than that. We have no other parents before them, nor is the human race anybody else's children. Allah is clearly telling us that they are the parents of the human race. They are, not any animal, nor any sub-human being, nor an animal-human hybrid, but Adam, as created by Allah, and honoured and guided by Him.

I did not make them witness to the creation of the heavens and the earth or to the creation of themselves.. (18:51, part)

And with Him are the keys of the unseen; none knows them except Him. (6:59)

The creation of the heavens and earth is greater than the creation of mankind, but most of the people do not know. (40:57)

You're welcome to your doubts, but I believe what the Qur'an says without any addition to the details, or subtraction therefrom. I don't have really anything else to say.

:sl:
 
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Assalamu-alaikum

There are certain aspects in deen that we will never be able to fully comprehend.
This knowledge is held with Allah (subhanawataála), and our understanding of it, is only that which He has permitted.

"Who can intercede with Him except the cases He permits? He knows what is in front of them and what is behind them, and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He will." (Quran 2:255)


There is not much benefit in very lengthy discussions and debates about such topics, that are based on alot of conjecture, and that truly, nobody holds the answers to.

Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 41 :: Hadith 591

Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu'ba:

The Prophet said, "Allah has forbidden for you, (1) to be undutiful to your mothers, (2) to bury your daughters alive, (3) to not to pay the rights of the others (e.g. charity, etc.) and (4) to beg of men (begging).

And Allah has hated for you (1) vain, useless talk, or that you talk too much about others, (2) to ask too many questions, (in disputed religious matters) and (3) to waste the wealth (by extravagance).


Such topics often go around in circles and tbh, does not add to our imaans.

There appears to be many flaws in the above time-line.

But who will ever know, but Allah Taa'la?

I think it is sufficient to know that mankind is old......very, very old : )
And that we are fast approaching the end of this time-line......like a train without any breaks.

Insha Allah, lets look forward on whats left of this journey (which may be shorter than we have anticipated), and leave the knowledge of the 'unseen' to Allah.
 
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yeah your right sis zaria, I am most likely wrong.

for some reason I got excited about a young world.


dont really know why.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
yeah your right sis zaria, I am most likely wrong.

for some reason I got excited about a young world.


dont really know why.
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Its an interesting concept akhee.

I just fear the different theories that out there.


Allah knows best.
 
When I read daily news I sometimes (daily) think that "humanity" hasn´t began even at 2012. Wars, torturing, discriminate of other humans...

:hmm:

Humans we might be but real humanity we still have to study.
 
I think that when Allah says He created Adam with His Hands, it signifies that Adam was directly created by Allah and didn't come from another creation. On the other hand, while we are all created by Allah, we come from our parents through natural reproduction process.
 
Insaanah said:
Who perfected everything which He created and began the creation of man from clay.
Then He made his posterity out of the extract of a liquid disdained. (32:7-8)
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I've read this again. This does make it clear.

jazakAllah.

Do you think the word "perfected" is the right translation for the Arabic "ahsana?" Human beings biological bodies are not perfect, they get diseases for no apparent reason (personal experience!) and are mortal (will experience this too).
 
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IbnAbdulHakim said:
i quoted the timeline as a "food for thought" because it can make sense.

This subject isnt very important to be honest but that quotation in the OP being daeef doesnt really abolish the possibility of a fairly young world right?


Allah knows best. Theres so many quotations out there from classical scholars who seem to believe this world is young.... and I give my faith to their work. but if you guys believe such a huge amount of narrations to be fabricated/weak unworthy of attention fair enough.
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السلام عليكم

It doesn't, but the issue is when people believe in a "young world" based on da'if or fabricated hadiths. Also, it's not about our belief in an opinionated sense - there's hadith sciences which are done by proper muhaddiths. No muhaddith was perfect, even Al Albani(rh) made mistakes in his gradings, and a book came out correcting him (which was written by his own students).

You should go by what the majority of the Muhaddith have said regarding particular hadiths, and I am pretty sure the hadiths regarding the age of the earth are all unauthentic.

But that's not to stop you from believing in a young earth if you wish, since, there's nothing in the Qur'an/Sunnah that indicates the age of the earth. It's just like whether you want to believe in Aliens or not.
 
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Greetings and peace be with you CosmicPathos;

Do you think the word "perfected" is the right translation for the Arabic "ahsana?" Human beings biological bodies are not perfect, they get diseases for no apparent reason (personal experience!) and are mortal (will experience this too).
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In Christianity and Judaism it is said that all the time Adam ate from the tree of life he would not die, if he ate from the tree of knowledge he would be banished from the tree of life.

I seem to remember the Quran says something similar, but I could not find the passage. If this is the case then Adam was made perfect because he would not suffer disease and death. It is only because he disobeyed Allah that Allah took away his immunity and immortality.

Agnosticism and atheism creep in when we start to doubt our scriptures and Allah, they also creep in when the temptations of the world become too strong for us to resist, and we look for reasons to walk away from our faith.

In the spirit of praying for a greater faith and trust in our God

Eric
 
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Is this really going to benefit anyone? One can't even determine when the day of judgement will occur with this guess-work estimation because the knowledge of the hour is only with Allah.
 
:sl: gobleki tepe a monument that existed around 6000++ before the pyramidmeans that scientifically humans have existed very long even survived the ice age. Only Allah knows when Adam a.s. was sent to earth
 
Greetings Eric,

Eric H said:
In Christianity and Judaism it is said that all the time Adam ate from the tree of life he would not die, if he ate from the tree of knowledge he would be banished from the tree of life.

I seem to remember the Quran says something similar, but I could not find the passage.
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In the Qur'an, Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) were warned against eating from one tree, the nature of which isn't specified. God tells them that if they ate from the tree, they would be wrong-doers. Satan tempts them:

He said, "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree except that you become angels or become of the immortal." (7:20, part)
And he swore to them, "Indeed, I am to you from among the sincere advisors." (7:21)

But the devil whispered to him, saying: O Adam! Shall I show thee the tree of immortality and power that wasteth not away? (20:120)

Satan had said that he would do his best to mislead humans. Placing Adam and Eve in the garden gave them their first experience of dealing with this challenge. In the Qur'an, it is clear that from the beginning, man was meant to live on earth and have the moral capacity to judge between good and evil and the freedom to choose between them. After eating from the tree, they had to leave the garden, but both of them repented and were forgiven by God. Their repentance was fully accepted.

This lesson for all the descendants of Adam tells us that we, as humans, have the freedom to choose, to err, and to repent sincerely if we wish, and should we do so, we will find Allah, Forgiving, Merciful. And that we need to be careful of Satan trying to mislead us.

Satan himself will admit on the day of judgement, to those who followed him:

And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, "Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but my promises were false. I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me.. (14:22, part)

Eric H said:
If this is the case then Adam was made perfect because he would not suffer disease and death. It is only because he disobeyed Allah that Allah took away his immunity and immortality.
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In Islam, that's not the case. Both Adam and Eve asked for forgiveness, and both were completely forgiven by their Merciful Lord, nothing further was needed.

Then his Lord chose him and turned to him in forgiveness and guided [him]. (20:122)

Illness and death aren't viewed as consequences resulting from Adam and Eve eating from the tree. In terms of humans facing illness, death and other tribulations, etc:

And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient, who, when misfortune befalls them, say, "Indeed we belong to Allah , and indeed to Him we will return." Those are the ones upon whom are blessings from their Lord and mercy. And it is those who are the [rightly] guided. (2:155-157)

Eric H said:
Agnosticism and atheism creep in when we start to doubt our scriptures and Allah, they also creep in when the temptations of the world become too strong for us to resist, and we look for reasons to walk away from our faith.

In the spirit of praying for a greater faith and trust in our God
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Greetings and peace be with you Insaanah;

Thanks for the explanation, it was very helpful.

May you be blessed.

Eric
 
"it only makes sense for God to send a huge amount of prophets to each nation."
Historically theres only been one place associated with islamic prophets and thats the middle east. Unless you believe that native americans, aborigional tribes, the tribes of papa new guinea, the aztecs and so on were all muslims.
 

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