73 year old Austrian confesses to imprisoning daughter for 24 years

[جوري]

now now kiddos lets not fight

i do sincerly hope he gets put to death, there is no point in makin him rot in jail, im sure the in-mates will try to kill him anyway lol, so jus put him to death, he deserves it anyway

and also the wifes role, i highly question that she didnt know, out of the 7, 3 he raised in his own, claimin someone left them outside the door, someone leaves a child at your door once, that would be a hugely unusual thing, but to happen 3 times psssssh!!!

couldn't write this stuff up in the most grotesque of fiction...
Sometimes I read crap like this and I think, some dude just made that stuff up.. but he needs to tweak it a bit for believability..

 

[chacha_jalebi]

We are squabbling. We have ignore buttons but really enjoy the rant

yes indeed! dont we all:statisfie

now back on topic

 

[chacha_jalebi]

couldn't write this stuff up in the most grotesque of fiction...
Sometimes I read crap like this and I think, some dude just made that stuff up.. but he needs to tweak it a bit for believability..

yup, there have been loads of weirdoo stories, dunno whats happenin to the world!!

 

[Mikayeel]

, i can't believe she was trapped for 24 years, jus sitting there without trying to escape or do anything!

 

[جوري]

yup, there have been loads of weirdoo stories, dunno whats happenin to the world!!

weirdos are allowed to breed instead of being spayed or neutered-- it isn't like bob parker hasn't been warning you about this for ages...

eh I wasted my half day off on this forum.. blimey :raging:

 

[barney]

, i can't believe she was trapped for 24 years, jus sitting there without trying to escape or do anything!

It goes back to the control I was talking about. They are brought up in an environment where they are taught to go outside or to question their father is unthinkable.
They would probably no more want to disobay him than eat the wall or carpet. It just isnt an issue for them. At some point for the older one, she would have accepted her life as it was, and then the very idea of the world would seem terrifying.

Psychological control can be more powerful than anyone can imagine.
Best comparison is the fear of hell.

 

[-Elle-]

It's cases like these that make me sick to my stomac.

I won't even say"Oh,how devastating," or,"she and the children must have suffered a lot",because in truth,I wouldn't have the SLIGHTEST idea(alhamdulillah!) what they must have felt and endured during those years.

For the children,they were literally born into it;they've never known anything else but the life they've led(locked up,deprived from everything and anything,and so on,they've never even seen daylight for crying out loud), so I really don't know how they must have felt.nevertheless,this is completly inhuman;they obviously suffered...
but the mother...I've read about horrible faiths on this earth;but this..this surpasses the limits...

People who experience one of these horrible acts((rape,kidnapping,etc..) have been scarred for life and some of them have a hard time getting well again(who can blame them..) and moving on...but this woman went through a multitude of devastating life experiences all at the same time,for an ENDLESS(24 years!come on!) amount of time...

*[sigh]*

This really got me thinking..

 

[truemuslim]

I SAY WE SKIN HIM!
im kiddin. if u will do that u better do it awwaaay from me. i get sick seein chickens get ...decapitated...and then skinned! Ewwww

anyway

that lady had an army wit her why couldnt she and her kids beat up that old man! silly silly women...i fink she respected ur daddy too much...to da bad level...

oh also i turned on the tv and saw this first thing and saw the basement and wooow soooo tiny and sickkk i feel so sorry for dem all.
May allah guide her and her kids to islam inshallah

 

[Malaikah]

What would that achieve?

Would it give back his daughter the life she has missed?
Would it give back his grandchildren their childhoods?
Would it bring healing to this traumatised family and the wider community?
Would it help him to feel remorse for his actions?

Justice. Really, does it even need to be said?

He has had 24 long years to feel remorse. Time wasted long ago if you ask me!

 

[MTAFFI]

What would that achieve?

Would it give back his daughter the life she has missed?
Would it give back his grandchildren their childhoods?
Would it bring healing to this traumatised family and the wider community?
Would it help him to feel remorse for his actions?

a better question is what does the alternative achieve? Lets look at the two for a sec.,

Option A
Lock Him in prison and force him into "hard labor"

There, IMO, are many issues with this, 1) he is 73, what kind of hard labor, other than raping his family members, is his old disgusting self capable of doing? 2) Why pay to feed and cloth and take care of him? 3) How does the daughter and her children feel about the man who was allowed to take full advantage of her mind, body and soul for 24 years, being able to live out the rest of his days (maybe a quarter of what she was kept), in what some homeless and less fortunate might consider a luxury suite at the hilton? 4) What does the man ultimately learn from that? Please be very specific, because I seriously doubt that in what short portion of his life he may have left, he will ever be able to sincerely regret his decisions and even if he does who gives a big fat sh*t

Option B
Put Him to Death

1) He doesnt exist 2) they get to watch his punishment come to life and him to death for his atrocity 3) They can live the rest of their life without any fear that he could escape and abduct them again or do the same to some other poor individual(s) 4) Nobody is forced to pay for this garbage to live or be clothed, etc. 5) There is no fear to people like this, greater than death, it is a far better determent than any other in existence short of having your nails pulled out with pliers, or some other form of sick torture

Finally, do you feel as though Allah (swt) wishes for this individual to carry out the rest of his life? I understand that Allah (swt) is the all merciful God, and that upon our creation he loves us each equally, but this man will have a direct ticket to hell, the crime he has committed is a dark extension from the devil himself in my opinion..

Think what you wish though, it isnt as if what me or you say on this forum will have any real effect on the outcome of his sentencing, it is simply opinion.. Thanks for sharing it by the way.

 

[glo]

No, but It would make vengeful people feel better and act as a detterent to others. It would also drag the world into a mad evil barbaric, (barbaric being wantonly cruel rather than a decendents of the barbary coast) intolerant and sick place.
I dont think this guy will be fed into a toaster. I dont think justice will prevail as it should.
I think hard labour, despite his age, is a fair sentance. Hard labour and solitary till he dies.

They were talking about a potential sentence of 15 years imprisonment ... that's by far less than what he subjected his daughter and grandchildren to ...

 

[glo]

Finally, do you feel as though Allah (swt) wishes for this individual to carry out the rest of his life? I understand that Allah (swt) is the all merciful God, and that upon our creation he loves us each equally, but this man will have a direct ticket to hell, the crime he has committed is a dark extension from the devil himself in my opinion..

I don't assume to know what God's plans are for this man.

Do you not think that your suggestion that Allah may not 'wish for this individual to carry out the rest of his life' may be based on your human desire for justice and fairness, rather than on Allah's wishes?

Think what you wish though, it isnt as if what me or you say on this forum will have any real effect on the outcome of his sentencing, it is simply opinion.. Thanks for sharing it by the way.

Same here, brother.
Salaam

 

[Ali.]

Some 'updates';

Unanswered questions and suspicions
Not only did he keep his daughter in a cellar for 24 years, but he murdered a woman aswell?

Although, I am still suspicious about the wife not knowing and when he went to Thailand - he can't have left a store of food and gone.

 

[MTAFFI]

I don't assume to know what God's plans are for this man.

Do you not think that your suggestion that Allah may not 'wish for this individual to carry out the rest of his life' may be based on your human desire for justice and fairness, rather than on Allah's wishes?

I believe that Allah's(swt) wish for this man is according to what is suggested for this sort of crime in any holy book that you may read. It is s-p-e-l-l-e-d out pretty plain and simple, I am sure with a little energy and time that I could provide something from the Torah, Bible and most definitely the Quran that would substantiate this claim. I think it would be better, however, for you to do it, since i am a bit short on time this morning-afternoon

Salaam

 

[aamirsaab]

Is there a specific punishment for incest in sharia law? I don't myself seem to recall one but then again I don't know that much about sharia law.

 

[MTAFFI]

Is there a specific punishment for incest in sharia law? I don't myself seem to recall one but then again I don't know that much about sharia law.

I think the punishment for rape would probably be enough in this case, but that is a good question.. I am a bit of a novice still with everything but I will see when I have a bit of time on my hands if I can find something that will answer the question

 

[chacha_jalebi]

^ incest would come into zina innaay, and then the punishment would depend on who did incest and whether it was forced or not

latest on story

B]Josef Fritzl, the Austrian man who is accused of keeping his daughter captive in a cellar for 24 years, refuses to answer further questions, police say. [/B]
They said he had signed a statement admitting imprisoning and raping his daughter and fathering her seven children, but refuses to explain.

The daughter, Elisabeth, has told police she was sexually abused even before being incarcerated.

The case of the 73-year-old Josef Fritzl has drawn world media attention.

Describing the "abominable events" as linked to one individual case, Austria's Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer said he planned to launch an image campaign to restore the country's reputation abroad.

Psychiatric tests

Franz Prucher, head of police in Lower Austria, said police would be investigating whether Mr Fritzl had committed any further crimes.

"We have to bring light to every aspect of the suspect's life. It is our duty to investigate the concurrent circumstances that made it possible that such crime, which shocked all of us deeply, could happen," he told a press conference in Amstetten.

Mr Fritzl faces up to 15 years in prison if he is convicted of raping his daughter, among other offences.


Officials are also considering charges of "murder through failure to act" which carries a longer sentence, in connection with the death of one of the seven children he fathered with Elisabeth.

Mr Fritzl has admitted to disposing of the body of the newborn in an incinerator shortly after the birth.

His lawyer, Rudolf Mayer, has told the BBC his client will undergo a series of psychiatric and psychological tests.

He says the tests will be crucial in determining the extent of Mr Fritzl's guilt and his penalty.

"This case certainly requires a thorough psychiatric and psychological examination. We need to establish if he can be considered responsible for his actions," Mr Mayer told BBC News.

Children playing

Elisabeth and three of the children were held captive in a windowless cellar under the family home.

Mr Fritzl's alleged crimes came to light when Elisabeth's eldest daughter Kerstin, 19, became seriously ill.




She was allowed out of the cellar and admitted to hospital in Amstetten.

Police then issued an appeal to Elisabeth Fritzl to contact them about her daughter, and later picked up Mr Fritzl and Elisabeth near the hospital.

Kerstin remains in a coma, and doctors describe her condition as serious but stable.

The other children who were not confined to the cellar lived an apparently normal life with Mr Fritzl as his "grandchildren" in the upper sections of the same house.

Officials said Elisabeth, now 42, and two of the three children who had lived with her in the cellar - the 18- and five-year-old brothers - had an "astonishing" reunion with her other children on Tuesday.

They are now being cared for in a psychiatric clinic in Amstetten-Mauer. Berthold Kepplinger, the director of the clinic, said their psychological state had stabilised:

"The young people can play, they can run around, they have their personal toys, they have everything that they are used to, and a number of our team are looking after them and are caring for them."


source

 

[MTAFFI]

He says the tests will be crucial in determining the extent of Mr Fritzl's guilt and his penalty.

"This case certainly requires a thorough psychiatric and psychological examination. We need to establish if he can be considered responsible for his actions," Mr Mayer told BBC News.

yes, lets be humane, yes give the man a psychiatric evaluation so we can say he is too stupid to be imprisoned, yet smart enough to hold 3 people captive for 24 years... yes indeed, this man should live, because bless his poor heart, he simply couldnt control himself +o( +o( +o( +o( +o( :raging: :raging: :raging::skeleton:

(that isnt directed at you either bro)

 

[chacha_jalebi]

yeaah lol and i agree with you mtaffi!!

he hasnt got any medical problems, he knew what he was doing all along, i do hope he gets the death penalty,

 

[جوري]

The punishment for rape in Islam is very harsh.. they had a whole movie about it in Egypt which is a surprise, on the account culture always over dominates religion.

an abortion was granted the woman who got pregnant ergo her rape, citing a verse in suret al-baqara highlighted below..

[Pickthal 2:233] Mothers shall suckle their children for two whole years; (that is) for those who wish to complete the suckling. The duty of feeding and clothing nursing mothers in a seemly manner is upon the father of the child. No-one should be charged beyond his capacity. A mother should not be made to suffer because of her child, nor should he to whom the child is born (be made to suffer) because of his child.

and the rapists got the death sentence, I believe it to have been a true story.. strange how when people implement shari3a, they'd actually feel better... but humans love to bypass God's laws thinking they can do better..
'have we not had enough of the better folks?'

Allah knows best!