A jewish person moving to Israel

[JaffaCake]

If you want to argue upon why should you obey the law... then you should think about whats the point of you living in this world?

Brother, these are hypothetical questions.

No , Because it violates another law which is right to live

Your 'right to live' is just another agreement between people. If you can break the zakirs law, why can't I break this one?

Without law there would be no peaceful co-existence

Even with laws there is little peaceful co-existence.

Anyway, this not about the consequences of disobeying law, simply about the authority of law. Why should I obey laws that were made by people I've never met, at a time before I was born and that I was never asked about?
If you're answer is "because otherwise bad things happen", then shouldn't we be obeying terrorists, hostage takers, armed militias and corrupt governments?

I suppose you agree with Chinese laws enforcing Internet censorship and prohibiting freedom of speech. Maybe you agree with the British law that states placing a postage stamp upside down is an act of treason?

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you JaffaCake;

My point is basically "Why should I obey the law?".

Having just come back from Jerusalem, there are too many people with guns, that might be the reason to obey laws, whether they are just or unjust.

Hi, I appreciate what you're saying but I was hoping to keep the big man out of it for the time being.

If people obeyed the big man, his laws are more just than our laws.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric

 

[JaffaCake]

Hi again

Having just come back from Jerusalem, there are too many people with guns, that might be the reason to obey laws, whether they are just or unjust.

So we should just bow to tyrants and hope for the best?

If people obeyed the big man, his laws are more just than our laws.

Then we're back to the millennia-old problem of deciding which laws are really his. That's part of the reason why there are too many people in Jerusalem with guns.

 

[zakirs]

Hi againSo we should just bow to tyrants and hope for the best?
Then we're back to the millennia-old problem of deciding which laws are really his. That's part of the reason why there are too many people in Jerusalem with guns.

I have a doubt Jaffacake.. Whats your point to the argument? Its not even remotely related to topic.. lets end the thread here.( yes , i am accepting defeat , not that i can't go on , but this seems to be too baseless argument to me which has no direction at all.)

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you JaffaCake;

Then we're back to the millennia-old problem of deciding which laws are really his. That's part of the reason why there are too many people in Jerusalem with guns

You may be confusing religion with God, whilst there may be thousands of religions, the same God hears all our prayers. God left the Jews some laws which I believe relate to this problem.

Leviticus 25:23
" 'The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants.

Leviticus 19:34
The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 24:22
You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.' "

Exodus 22:21
"Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.

Exodus 12:49
The same law applies to the native-born and to the alien living among you."

Leviticus 19:10
Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 19:33
" 'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric

 

[JaffaCake]

I have a doubt Jaffacake.. Whats your point to the argument? Its not even remotely related to topic.. lets end the thread here.( yes , i am accepting defeat , not that i can't go on , but this seems to be too baseless argument to me which has no direction at all.)

I'm sorry that I've not been very clear. I don't want to 'win' any argument, I just wanted to know why people think the way they do.

So many people get so emotional over the Israel-Palestine situation and talk about how Israel has no right to take land or even exist in the place it is. The basic idea was to make you think about what it means to 'own' the land and to see if people are arguing their point consistently or whether they are arguing based on emotion.

Sorry if it has seemed like a waste of time.

 

[zakirs]

I'm sorry that I've not been very clear. I don't want to 'win' any argument, I just wanted to know why people think the way they do.

So many people get so emotional over the Israel-Palestine situation and talk about how Israel has no right to take land or even exist in the place it is. The basic idea was to make you think about what it means to 'own' the land and to see if people are arguing their point consistently or whether they are arguing based on emotion.

Sorry if it has seemed like a waste of time.

We feel emotional because its our brothers and sisters who are being persecuted ( your brothers and sisters too.. ).So its logical to feel sad if they are in trouble.

 

[sister herb]

Maqdisi society exposes Israeli plan to demolish more Palestinian homes in O.J.

[ 06/11/2009 - 08:35 PM ]




OCCUPIED JERUSALEM, (PIC)-- The Maqdisi society said on Thursday that it possesses an important document revealing the intention of the Israeli occupation authority to demolish 40 Palestinian homes in the occupied city of Jerusalem by the year end.

In a statement it issued in this regard, and a copy of which was obtained by the PIC, the society pointed out that the document includes a list of names and locations of the homes that would be demolished, adding that the four Palestinian homes that were demolished last week in the city’s suburbs of Beit Haninan, Sur Baher and Al-Thawry were part of the list.

However, the society explained that all the homes that are on the list were populated, and that demolishing them would turn tens of Palestinian Jerusalemite families homeless.

Nevertheless, the society suggested the establishment of a legal body comprising experts, engineers, and architects that should immediately start making detailed plans for all Palestinian suburbs but stressed that a strong Arab and international role must be introduced in support of the Palestinian Jerusalemites.

Furthermore, the society invited Arab and Muslim businessmen and investors to invest in the property market in the city, and to establish an Arab-Muslim fund that would finance the construction of housing projects and give easy loans for administrative expenses.

Hundreds of Palestinian homes have been demolished in the city by the IOA, and thousands of Palestinian Jerusalemites have been forced out of their homes over the past few years as part of the Israeli policy to change the demographic structure in the city in favor of Jewish settlers.

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/...eJpDcpDkRoArxl9dtjPtWY1o3wjXHmwp9zfTkYpy4a2o=