A mother is accused of partially skinning her caged son and feeding it to relatives.

glo said:
Or perhaps a case of 'too much religion'???
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That's exactly what I was thinking. These seem to be very ancient religions, on the rise again. Kind of like the incident where a mother drowned her kids in the tub because... God told her to do it. I've often speculated that these people had mistaken a Jinn for God or an Angel of God. But they obviously didn't question them as well as they should have.

People had told me that the one I met was the Angel of Death, so I naturally assumed I was going to die - why else would I see an Angel of Death? But when I confronted him, he told me he was just a scribe who wrote a Torah during the days of the Babylonian exile. That was one heck of a misunderstanding, and I documented the whole of it, but I naturally wonder how much misunderstanding goes on in the world over this type of thing?

The Ninth Scribe
 
What is happening to people nowadays? What is going through their minds? ASTUGFURILLAH, may Allah (swt) save us from evil people, ameen.....horrendous
 
Ninth_Scribe said:
That's exactly what I was thinking. These seem to be very ancient religions, on the rise again. Kind of like the incident where a mother drowned her kids in the tub because... God told her to do it. I've often speculated that these people had mistaken a Jinn for God or an Angel of God. But they obviously didn't question them as well as they should have.
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What if they didn't know they're supposed to question them or were so convinced tehy didn't feel the need to? Shoul they be held responsible for their actions? I don't believe in jinns and any of this, so I say yes, even if I did believe I don't think there's a way a person can prove they have seen a jinn. What do you think?
 
Whatsthepoint said:
What if they didn't know they're supposed to question them or were so convinced tehy didn't feel the need to? Shoul they be held responsible for their actions? I don't believe in jinns and any of this, so I say yes, even if I did believe I don't think there's a way a person can prove they have seen a jinn. What do you think?
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It's a tough one. Should we judge on the pillar of Severity or Mercy? I suppose it would depend on each individual circumstance, but regardless of whether they call such phenomena Jinn, spirits or Santa Claus, they can't exactly claim ignorance to the rule of Law. In other words, they can't murder someone just because some one else told them to. In either case (insanity or intentional), they would have to be separated from the public.

The Ninth Scribe
 
Even after the flesh being torn, the kids must be in an absolutely traumatic state..
Hope they have a better quality of life now..
my heart goes out to them
 
Oh My Lord~! That Is Sick To The Core~! A Mother Doing Such A thing??? Astagfirullah~!
 
houda~ said:
After having read about the man who emprisoned his daughter in a dungeon for 24 years in Austria,rapped her numerously,and had children with her...I thought "Oh boy,what in the world is happening to humanity.Can it get any worse?"
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0.0~!!! A Father? A fAthEr!!!??? Oh My Lord~! Astagfirullah~!
 
Whatsthepoint said:
I know a man who is responsible for the deaths of several hundred of thousands because god told him to, yet he didn't spend a day in prison..
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Sadly history is full of people like that ... :cry:
 
This is an old freaking story from Malaysia...

Mona Fandey - A modern witchcraft murder.


Perhaps one of the most sensational and unusual cases of modern times in the Far East reached its conclusion on November 2nd, 2001 when Maznah Ismail, her husband Mohd Affandi Abdul Rahman and their 31 year old helper, Juraimi Hussin, were hanged at Malaysia's Kajang Prison on the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur.

Maznah was better known as Mona Fandey, which was her stage name, when she performed as a pop singer and water ballet dancer in her younger days. At her death, she was 45 years old, while her husband was a year younger. When her earlier career ran out of steam, she and Affandi made a living as witch doctors and were known locally as "bomohs." Belief in the powers of witchcraft is not uncommon among superstitious Malays, and they were able to attract a high class clientele which included politicians.

The crime.

In July 1993, an assemblyman for central Pahang state, Datuk Mazlan Idris, had approached Mona for supernatural help to boost his political career and climb the party ladder. He was persuaded by the couple to take part in a ritual in which he was to lay on the floor with his eyes closed waiting for the money to "fall from the sky." No money fell, instead it was the blade of an axe. Idris was decapitated and then dismembered and partially skinned. His body was found cut up into 18 parts and buried in a hole near Mona's home in the state of Pahang, about 130 kilometres northeast of Kuala Lumpur.

Mazlan was reported missing on July the 2nd,1993 after he had withdrawn 30,000 ringgit (then US$12,000) from a Kuala Lumpur bank. The day after the killing, Mona went on a shopping spree in Kuala Lumpur, and later bought herself a Mercedes-Benz and had a facelift. When questioned, Juraimi made a statement to the police which led to the discovery of Mazlan's remains.

Unsurprisingly, Mona and husband immediately became the prime suspects.

Trial.

Mona, Affandi and Juraimi were tried before Judge Datuk Mokhtar Sidin sitting in the Temerloh High Court in 1995, charged with murder under Section 302 of the Malaysian penal code, a crime which carries a mandatory death sentence.

The trial was a media sensation. Mona and Affandi were an attractive couple in their late 30's accused of a gruesome, voodoo related murder. Mona had a penchant for wearing expensive outfits to court each day. Unlike most people on trial for her life, she always had a smile for the media and seemed to revel in the attention. The picture right shows Mona and Affandi being taken to court.
The case lasted 65 days and heard evidence from 76 witnesses. The prosecution told the court that money was the motive for the killing and pointed to the shopping spree, the facelift and the Mercedes. Juraimi, testified against Mona and Affandi and revealed the gruesome details of the murder. It was alleged by the prosecution that Mazlan had been killed between 10 p.m. on July the 2nd and 12 midnight on July the 18th, 1993, in Kampung Peruas, Ulu Dong, Raub in Pahang state. His body was found on July 22nd, 1993, buried 1.8m beneath the storeroom of an uncompleted house and sealed over with a concrete cap.

Affandi, in his defence, said Mazlan owed him two million ringgit ($526,000) for a "magic cane," talisman and a traditional hat said to have belonged to former Indonesian president Sukarno. Mona testified that she also gave talismans and charms to several other UMNO politicians to boost their popularity with the electorate.

It only took the 7 member jury just 70 minutes to reach a unanimous verdict of guilty against all three defendants. Affandi and Mona smiled when the foreman of the jury delivered the verdict on the 9th of February 1995. Gulam Mustaffa Nadar Ali Khan, who represented Mona and Affandi, was invited to offer mitigation but declined and said they would be lodging an appeal. Juraimi's counsel, Karpal Singh, told the court that his client was only 24, unemployed and of low intelligence.

The judge then asked them if they had anything to say before he passed sentence and Affandi and Mona replied that they would leave it to the discretion of the court. He then passed the death sentence on each of them - that they be taken from court to a recognised prison and later be hanged till they were dead. After hearing her sentence Mona said, "I am happy and thank you to all Malaysians." She was photographed smiling as usual as she was led from the court to prison.
Their appeals were heard by the Chief Justice of the Federal Court, Tun Mohd Eusoff Chin, the Chief Judge of Malaya, Datuk Wan Adnan Wan Ismail and Federal Court Judge Datuk Dr Zakaria Yatim in the Federal Court, Malaysia's highest court sitting in Kuala Lumpur. The appeal process had started in June of 1998 but then had been adjourned until 1999 after legal arguments on the admissibility of Juraimi's statement to the police which led to the discovery of Mazlan's body. On the 13th April 1999, all three appeals were dismissed and the death sentences upheld. In April 2001, the Pardons Board turned down their pleas for clemency leaving the way clear for their executions

Execution.

The hangings were set for dawn on Friday, the 2nd of November 2001 in Kajang Prison. On the previous day, Mona and Affandi were allowed an8 hour visit with about a dozen members of their families. It was reported that they spent their last hours advising their children from both their own marriage and their previous marriages to "grow up to be good people" and also told their children "jaga diri baik-baik" (to take care of themselves well). A senior Prisons officer had said there was a lot of crying and hugging as they spoke to their children and family for the last time. It was also reported that Mona had said she would never die just before she was executed. It is not known what she meant by that.

It is normal practice in Malaysia for condemned prisoners to be given the food of their choice for their last meal, however, this offer was declined. Apparently, according to prison sources, they were very calm, saying very little and requesting nothing in their last hours.

The picture right, shows a Malaysian hood and noose which was on exhibition in Pudu Prison after it closed.

Before dawn on the Friday morning, the trio were each handcuffed and hooded in their holding cells adjacent to the execution chamber and then led to the gallows with its 3 British style nooses dangling from the metal beam. On the trap, their legs were strapped and the nooses adjusted round their necks. At 5.59 a.m., the drop fell and the three of them plummeted down. The execution would have been witnessed by a small number of guards and officials and the prison doctor. The press and the general public are excluded. One official told the afternoon Malay Mail newspaper that they expressed no repentance at the end. "They didn't say anything, they were calm - just like those who accept that they are going to die." The executions were formally announced later in the morning by a spokesman for Malaysian Prisons Department. Jamil Razif Kassim told reporters, "All three have undergone their sentence as of this morning."

The bodies were left hanging for an hour before being taken down for autopsy and then burial. Mona and Affandi were buried in a cemetery in Kajang later in the morning, while Juraimi was buried in his hometown of Port Klang, in the Telok Gong Muslim cemetery that afternoon.
After the executions, Mazlan's widow, Datin Faridah Zainuddin, told reporters that she could finally bury the past behind her and said she hoped now to carry on living her life with her children without the painful memories.

Comment.

It seems extraordinary in modern times that a well educated man such as Mazlan Idris was, would believe in the power of witch doctors to bring him wealth and further his career. Yet belief in superstition and the supernatural is still strong in the Far East.

The crime itself seemed to have been committed entirely for greed and due to Mona's impatience to spend their ill-gotten gains, was easily detected.
It is unclear what Mona meant when, on the eve of her execution, she said she would never die. Whether she expected a last minute reprieve from the President or whether she meant that her spirit would live on after the execution.

There was a hiatus in the death penalty in Malaysia during the late 1990's and no executions were carried out between January 1996, when 3 men were hanged for drug trafficking, and November 2000 when another two were executed for this crime. In the meantime, the notorious Pudu prison had closed and executions moved to the Selangor Central Prison in Kajang. Mona thus became the first woman to hang in Malaysia since Tan Bee Lee went to the gallows in July 1994 for drug trafficking.

Source: http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/fandey.html


 
This disturbs me beyond measure.. This is really revolting and it saddened me, I wish I hadn't read it.. imsad



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Some of the things that have been done in the name of a belief are pretty amazing. We recently had a mother and father arrested here in WI because they refused medical treatment for their daughters diabetes. They thought prayer would heal her alone. She died. Now they are up on manslaughter charges.
 
Not shocking/surprising but still very disturbing. Think of the worst/brutal thing that can ever happen to a person- it probably has happened many times.
 
MKE Brother said:
Some of the things that have been done in the name of a belief are pretty amazing. We recently had a mother and father arrested here in WI because they refused medical treatment for their daughters diabetes. They thought prayer would heal her alone. She died. Now they are up on manslaughter charges.
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Are the parents Christian Scientists?
 

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