@umie
The word used in most of the translations is statue. In British English it is normally used for a replica of a person/being & animal. That's the norm.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/statue
Ok, so the Muslim translators choose the English word statue even though in Arabic, the word tamatheel could also mean replica of other things eg. plant, flower, tree etc. Perhaps that's what they thought it meant. Otherwise, if you think the translators were wrong, then I have nothing to say about it.
As for quoting the Bible to support the Quran, I find it strange because one either uses his own religious source or a universally accepted document like a historic text etc and not a book which you believe is corrupt. Never mind.
Btw, I want to know why a bust/picture of a person or animal is haram/shirk but not that of a plant/tree/flower?
@Abz2000
So, all contradictions/U turns are simply just appearing to be one and even if there is really any, it is merely a mercy from God of your religion? Thanks, now anyone pick this up & make such excuse to cover all problems in their respective religion or even cult.
Btw, what's Iblis story got to do with U-turns? Also, if Iblis got kicked out of heaven after disobeying Allah, where did he go in exile? Please elaborate.
[MENTION=20217]Zafran[/MENTION]
You didn't get my point. I'm saying that if apostacy is a treason to your co-religionist punishable by death, then pagan Arabs too have every right to execute the prophet for leaving his Quraysh religion & be a threat to their community.
There is no Quranic verse that abrogates the Mut'ah marriage, only hadiths, that's my point.
No where in the Quran it says death to homosexuals as the hadiths do. Thats enough.
Not every religion is into aggresive proselytising and number game and that doesn't have any correlation with a belief system being closer to the truth etc. Like the Quran says, to me my religion and to you, yours etc. I showed a few examples in the earlier posts why I think the Quran was more for the Arabs in those times and not for all mankind at all times. As for urgency, what you mean by that? Can't wait to enter the Jannah or something? Maybe except for the 7th century Beduins, I don't think lying on the sofa eating chicken & drinking ginger ale is what humans are looking forward in afterlife (if any). That description is more apt for a normal Sunday afternoon here on earth now
Thanks.
The word tamatheel in the text is the plural of timthal, which in Arabic is used for every such thing as is made to resemble a natural thing, whether it is a human being, an animal, a tree, a flower, a river, or some inanimate object. .. Timthal is every such picture which may have been made to resemble the likeness of something else, whether living or dead.” (The commentary, Al-Kashshaf). On this basis the statement of the Quran does not necessarily imply that the images made for the Prophet Solomon (peace be upon him) were the pictures or images of human beings and animals. They might have been floral designs or natural landscape or different kinds of decorations with which the Prophet Solomon might have decorated his buildings and works.....In the face of these clear and express injunctions how can it be accepted that the Prophet Solomon (peace be upon him) might have employed the jinns to make pictures and images of the Prophets and the angels for him? ....
The word used in most of the translations is statue. In British English it is normally used for a replica of a person/being & animal. That's the norm.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/statue
Ok, so the Muslim translators choose the English word statue even though in Arabic, the word tamatheel could also mean replica of other things eg. plant, flower, tree etc. Perhaps that's what they thought it meant. Otherwise, if you think the translators were wrong, then I have nothing to say about it.
As for quoting the Bible to support the Quran, I find it strange because one either uses his own religious source or a universally accepted document like a historic text etc and not a book which you believe is corrupt. Never mind.
Btw, I want to know why a bust/picture of a person or animal is haram/shirk but not that of a plant/tree/flower?
@Abz2000
The statements and rulings of the Prophet :saws: some of which add to Quranic rulings - and some of which appear to contradict but actually do not contradict Allah - are made as a mercy and not ultimately for confusion - and that is not the end of wisdom.
The multiple "U-turns" and added rulings found in the revealed books and actions of the Prophets are also as a mercy and a consolation to leaders who would be otherwise reluctant to change their rulings out of fear of being accused of folly.
So, all contradictions/U turns are simply just appearing to be one and even if there is really any, it is merely a mercy from God of your religion? Thanks, now anyone pick this up & make such excuse to cover all problems in their respective religion or even cult.
Btw, what's Iblis story got to do with U-turns? Also, if Iblis got kicked out of heaven after disobeying Allah, where did he go in exile? Please elaborate.
[MENTION=20217]Zafran[/MENTION]
Nope death penalty is the same as treason in a pre modern context. ..
You didn't get my point. I'm saying that if apostacy is a treason to your co-religionist punishable by death, then pagan Arabs too have every right to execute the prophet for leaving his Quraysh religion & be a threat to their community.
Muta was one of the marriages that the pre pagan Arabs used to with other marriages - many of these were abrogated later.
There is no Quranic verse that abrogates the Mut'ah marriage, only hadiths, that's my point.
where does the Quran talk about homosexuality expect the story of Lot? Here is a task for you tell me what muta is using the Quran only? Lets see how far you get without any historical context like hadith, sira, arabic grammer, Usul ul fiqh, logic, the people that witnessed revelation like sahaba (companions) and there students etc? Just the Quran.
No where in the Quran it says death to homosexuals as the hadiths do. Thats enough.
if Sikhism doesn't want anyone to convert to it then why should one even talk about it and take it seriously? if it doesn't have the existential answers to life then why should one bother with it? as I said before it lacks urgency. Unlike Christianity and Islam which are universal religions make urgent claims.
Do all Good things belong? well contradictory things dont.
Not every religion is into aggresive proselytising and number game and that doesn't have any correlation with a belief system being closer to the truth etc. Like the Quran says, to me my religion and to you, yours etc. I showed a few examples in the earlier posts why I think the Quran was more for the Arabs in those times and not for all mankind at all times. As for urgency, what you mean by that? Can't wait to enter the Jannah or something? Maybe except for the 7th century Beduins, I don't think lying on the sofa eating chicken & drinking ginger ale is what humans are looking forward in afterlife (if any). That description is more apt for a normal Sunday afternoon here on earth now
Thanks.