I also think that yes only God can actually save me from this....and I have to do specific certain kinds of prayers to maybe get him to Help me. I do know that sometimes you may have to pray for many years to receive help..this is what ive experienced.... what ive been through has been like...you go through one bad thing, then another and another and more and more, and more and it doesnt' end?? its like youre strapped to a roller coaster and you have to go through the ride of horror..it won't end..more and more horrors trials serious hell bad severe situations, then you try to escape and you go into more and more bad situations, bad people trials...you don't have a life, no fun its just suffering....and you watch others...they have a seemingly normal life, but your path is different... you are only suffering in very bizarre situations too...like why is this happening to me?? you are strapped to something different and you want to escape but you can't...you try reaching out to others and nothing happens..no one helps you and then only more and more bad things keep happening..and very strange bizarre things... why me and why THESE strange crazy situations. Why this extremeness of these situations....and you think after 1,2,3,4 years or more...it will finally end..one day the trials will stop but they didn't. They only got worse and worse....and crazier and stranger. I would beg God..even when I intuitively felt they were beginning and some had happened...pleaes God...please don't let me go through this...but theres nothing you can do.. and you try so hard to get a 'normal life'...positive good people, married anything...youre trying so hard to escape this THING you're on...this horrible path full of hell that you can't escape....but no matter what you can't...it's as if it's your destiny to suffer these things ie predestination....you try to get help from people and either, people turn away from you or no one helps and those who try can't really do anything....you have to bond back with your abusers/enemies and they are the only people in your life and oddly no one else can seemingly be a part of your life for some reason...people just disappear or you can't meet anyone. you try desperately but it won't happen...and youre forced to forgive your abusers because apparently no one else will come into your life and youre suffering more and more. as you suffer trials and attempt to crawl back from the pit you've been thrown in, people are making you suffer more and more and even more trials are happening. you cant even heal....its a crazy torturous terrible experience....and it doesn't feel like its just randomly happening..this isn't random life, or normal life....this is very orchestrated...something crazy is going on and its happening to you and you can't really do much about it. if I wrote a story about the things ive been through...it would be shocking.. all the different horrid things...just only negativity for years and years...bad horrible situations, bad things....nothing positive....then the situations get worse and more extreme...nothing normal good or positive...just suffering and horror...that's the best way to describe it...the human mind body and soul is not equipped to deal with that much suffering and trauma to be honest...I don't think most people would have survived what ive experienced....its like a whirlwind of hell...it is hell and so crazy...and youre forced to beg and pray to God 24/7...literally...asking God for help...all the time...saying please...end this..stop this..what IS this?? people ignorantly try to say "oh it's life...life"...but they don't know...it wasn't life...it was something else...something extreme...some terrible intense spiritual experience of horrors and nightmares...beyond your worst imagination...of course there are those 'spiritual people' that will say "oh its past life karma"...youre now paying for all the karmic debt..that's why youre going through all these bad things...I don't believe that but the level of crap hell and suffering and weird situations ive been through have been SO strange...you do wonder..i mean that sounds like a logical explanation though I don't believe it...but even going there...I mean no..even if this is karmic debt (totally different level of believing)...it would have to be on a huge level for someone to have to suffer THIS much...I mean this is pointless unnecessary suffering that makes NO sense....that's what I didn't understand...how pointless and unnecessary these trials were...if there was a meaning or purpose to them then it would make sense...but it was pointless...I just suffered and suffered...and was put through major hells and oppression and more and more of it only for it to really mean nothing....my Christian friend said 'you've been through persecution...I don't know how you do it"...I said how do you know?? these chrisiians know because they have studied spirituality and understand these trials...some of them can explain in detail what ive been through only because they've read about it...ive lived it...but again ...I don't understand..the purpose the meaning and why....ive been asking this of God for many years..to end these and to help me understand for what reason did I suffer these crazy things and all this suffering...this oppression and worse now witnessing my abusers get great spouses....even another trial!! ive been praying to God for a spouse for 16 years...and got only the most sociopathic people in my life to torture me...serial killer type sociopaths...no friends nothing...and yet my worst abusers those who've abused and done so much bad to me get more good in their life??? now THIS has been really hard...even though they've been married before but now its like...theyre married again and here I am still alone and suffering?? like if God could allow me to have A spouse...it could save me from these horrors....and all these oppressors STILL in my life but it won't happen?? its so confusing....
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i will say that in the past ive played ruyqah tapes from youtube or wherever and it was too powerful...I was in a lot of pain and couldn't handle it so I stopped out of fear..i played it now and there was a lot of pain and the energies in my house began getting crazy..and even my cats were running around freaking out...there was a lot of messed up energy and I could feel the energy just painful/hot...could even sense the jinns/things well wont get into that....but this energy cleared up...after a while it got better and though playing it is still a bit painful....its shocking how the energy in my house cleared up...and its this light...that its never been before....I assume a ruqyah is strong and I hope done right and effective...im just surprised at what ive experienced...it doesn't mean anything or is any long term cure...who knows. I don't know where exactly all this bad energy has come from whether its the crazy man or other strange people I've met too or something initially but its weird how strong that ruqyah was...
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Aselam aleykum,
I'm glad the ruyqah had effect. And you shouldn't be surprised, Allah is all powerfull. Djinns have no power unless he allows it. The reasons previous sessions didn't work was probably because it wasn't done right. Like drinking the water of burned paper and such, those come close to shirk, because you're worshiping the verses and the paper it was writen on, and seeking refuge in them rather then in Allah. Just keep reciting the last two verses of surah baraqa and the last three surah (al-ichlaas, al-falaq, an-naas); and seek refuge with Allah against the shaytaan.
And yes, be carefull about other methods of treatment that don't fall under the sunnah of the prophet peace be upon him. There are various hadeeth in which he makes clear that the recitation of the verses I mentioned should be sufficient for anyone. So if you seek protection beyond that you are in a way commiting shirk, and ascribing partners to Allah rather then just going to Allah for protection.
I'm a bit troubled on how to react to what you said about energy vampirism and life energy and such. I'm not sure those things exist according to Islamic creed and suspect that this is the psychosomatic condition I mentioned before. Then again, I don't want to pretend that I know everything. So i geuss all I can do, is to advise you to consider the possibility that this is not something magical, but just a psychological manifestation of your own fears. And Alah subhana wa ta'ala knows best.
I'm glad the ruyqah had effect. And you shouldn't be surprised, Allah is all powerfull. Djinns have no power unless he allows it. The reasons previous sessions didn't work was probably because it wasn't done right. Like drinking the water of burned paper and such, those come close to shirk, because you're worshiping the verses and the paper it was writen on, and seeking refuge in them rather then in Allah. Just keep reciting the last two verses of surah baraqa and the last three surah (al-ichlaas, al-falaq, an-naas); and seek refuge with Allah against the shaytaan.
And yes, be carefull about other methods of treatment that don't fall under the sunnah of the prophet peace be upon him. There are various hadeeth in which he makes clear that the recitation of the verses I mentioned should be sufficient for anyone. So if you seek protection beyond that you are in a way commiting shirk, and ascribing partners to Allah rather then just going to Allah for protection.
I'm a bit troubled on how to react to what you said about energy vampirism and life energy and such. I'm not sure those things exist according to Islamic creed and suspect that this is the psychosomatic condition I mentioned before. Then again, I don't want to pretend that I know everything. So i geuss all I can do, is to advise you to consider the possibility that this is not something magical, but just a psychological manifestation of your own fears. And Alah subhana wa ta'ala knows best.
oh ok thanks and salam...and yes the ruqyah did have effect but then shortly after the energies came back...negative energies...I try other methods of attempting to ge trid of the energies...and yes energy vampirism does exist...even scientifically it does..islamiclly yes too because its all a part of black magic. it has nothing to do with psychosomatic its energy...all black magic is based on energy and entities... many people are victims of energy vampires...and they do exist. There are books on it and it is scientifically a "fact"...not sci fi or anything like that. There are ways of protection but they don't always work and its difficult if one has a direct connection to you. also black magic is similar and these people who do it will form direct connections to their victims to torture them this way. And no its not a psych manifestation...people who are victims of psi vampires and black magic there are millions and there are specific effects associated with each ... google psi vampires and look up the books. I also began reading books on it once I met a different one many years ago before this one. To ignore the truth about these things gives it more power...unfortunately as it is a reality afflicted by many. As I said I even met a counselor years ago who was a victim to one...who was doing similar energy things to her. there are many dark people who use energies to inflict control n power over others...its more common these days as well as there is more evil out there in the world....its true many people are afflicted by black magic...though some people do rush to thinking its magic when its' not. Ie my sister has been married three times....because her marriages didn't work out she attributed it to some kind of curse. I laugh because that is not a curse...its her poor and hasty bad choices... healers confirmed there was a curse down our family line but I can guarantee she wasn't afflicted by anything. Me on the other hand....my situation has been a curse on another level....people afflicted by black magic or these things are not in fear of it...they have to suffer it then realize what is going on. I knew a guy who was afflicted terribly by black magic...by a man who stole his GF from him and brought her to him then tried killing the guy with black magic. a sufi helped him most likely saved his life. its all real...energy is real and demons are real...this is all in the Quran...even many prophets were afflicted by black magic...black magicians many are energy vampires too..it all works hand in hand....and they use energies in heinous ways to control or destroy others or torture or kill them. this man wasn't just a psi vampire he did extreme forms of black magic/voodoo type...and many of these also are versed in voodoo type deeds. these are all very dark and sick and the things they do are scary.....to be a victim of it is difficult...especially when there is no relief or help and in some cases there can be little help/relief from othesr. also when they connect to people their connections create more negativity for the person and in their life....in many cases aside from the demonic spirits they use to cause this, they are leeching people's good energy and dumping their bad into them so it causes more bad to happen to them...only if you make amends with the person doing this will they stop this from happening or play their game. anyhow I know it all because ive lived it..and hope it helps someone else who is a victim of these people. tai chi is energy and it can help with protection...if done properly but if you are a victim and these people have a direct connection to you in various ways well its not that easy. Also negative energies attract more negative energies so it becomes a snowball effect.... theres an understanding to it and its a serious thing in life...its not just nothing. some people try to ignore it and say its psychological but that's false...because it gives them more power to ignore it plus its just not true...the metaphysical exists and it exists esp in the Quran and in Islam...suras can help but in many cases extra help is needed....major help. Ruqyah may help short term but that could be even ten minutes...for people in these situations major action is needed including something similar to cleansings or Islamic exorcisms....
my mother is an energy vampire but not an actual 'vampire' though she could be who knows. Some are unintentional but those who consciously and with the ability to drain others and manipulate energy are the ones who are real and potent. That crazy man was a real psi vampire type one who can truly manipulate energy and is well versed in the metaphysical..and has many strange metaphysical abilities of which I have witnessed myself. my mother just drains and tortures me for her own sociopathic sadistic desires...ie she will come to my place, not talk to me nothing positive. she will hang around and if she does talk to me sheis either putting me down, belittling me or telling me I owe her and my dad money. start saying, ok well I brought this paper over, and you owe this money for this and tha tmoney for that...then start getting angry ...very devious sick person. They are rich and seek to oppress and still financially control me which is so wrong and evil along with other major bad things they did to me. If they can't control me one way they will try other ways...they are always saying I owe them this or that and trying to take money from me. their goal is so that I can never truly become financially independent and may seek them for financial dependence...what parent or person would want that for their offspring...very evil thing to do. I have to lie to them and pretend I don't have much money otherwise if they knew I had any savings they would try to find a way to take it. once I won a bonus of 100.00 at a job and my dad found out...then he tried to upcharge me for something and take the 100.00...I mean seriously...that is such an evil thing to do to someone....they are really bad people but ive been brainwasahed....due to so much abuse...this is all the aftermath of their 'major bad stuff'...its just too much...he's a physician who is probably well beyond a millionaire..they also pretend they don't have much money and are struggling... they try to hide from me what they have. They have bought my brother a very nice car and given them lots of money but try to charge me here and there for little things...they are monsters...I am in my 30's now and they still want to control/destroy me. if im even talking to a male they get very jealous and controlling and act as if I have no right to talk to a male. they get jealous over anything I do. how people can think this way shocks me...they are not like that with my siblings of course...my siblings can get married over and over again and they are happy for them. Me...if I even have a friend my crazy mother gets jealous and angry/upset...she is really sick..and those who hurt control others are just really bad people...
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Look, lets get something straight. I'm as openminded as the next guy and i'm not even saying that it doesn't exist.
And sure there might be many things in this world that we don't know off. But, some of the things you said are simply not true.
1) There is no scientific proof nor any islamic proof for the existance of energy vampirism.
2) In fact there isn't even any scentific proof that we have any such "energy" to begin with. Positive or negative. There is no such measurable, detectable shroud that can in any way be noticed. And there is no indication at all in any religious scripture that such a thing exist
3) There are plenty of hadeeth that tell us that ruquyah is suffiefient a cure for black magic. If that doesn't help, chances are you're dealing with something thats either physical or psychological.
You should not be concearned trying to convince me. The. Fact that you put so much effort in convincing me shows me that deep down you have your own doubts. However you're to scared to admit that. Because if you'd admit that you would have to come out of your victim-role. And as scary as these pains you experience might be, the idea of no longer being in that familiar role scares you even more. Because from then on you'll have to make your own decisions, and take the responsability that comes with independence. And you're afraid that if you'd fail then (and you think you will, out of low self- esteem) it would reflect poorly on you and for the first time in life you'll have to blame yourself for everything that goes wrong. So you need this story to be true.
And I' m sorry if I'm being harsh with you, but if you cannot/will not at least consider the possibility that what you experience could be psychological, then I don't know what to advice you.
And sure there might be many things in this world that we don't know off. But, some of the things you said are simply not true.
1) There is no scientific proof nor any islamic proof for the existance of energy vampirism.
2) In fact there isn't even any scentific proof that we have any such "energy" to begin with. Positive or negative. There is no such measurable, detectable shroud that can in any way be noticed. And there is no indication at all in any religious scripture that such a thing exist
3) There are plenty of hadeeth that tell us that ruquyah is suffiefient a cure for black magic. If that doesn't help, chances are you're dealing with something thats either physical or psychological.
You should not be concearned trying to convince me. The. Fact that you put so much effort in convincing me shows me that deep down you have your own doubts. However you're to scared to admit that. Because if you'd admit that you would have to come out of your victim-role. And as scary as these pains you experience might be, the idea of no longer being in that familiar role scares you even more. Because from then on you'll have to make your own decisions, and take the responsability that comes with independence. And you're afraid that if you'd fail then (and you think you will, out of low self- esteem) it would reflect poorly on you and for the first time in life you'll have to blame yourself for everything that goes wrong. So you need this story to be true.
And I' m sorry if I'm being harsh with you, but if you cannot/will not at least consider the possibility that what you experience could be psychological, then I don't know what to advice you.
youer very mistaken I am not trying to prove anything to you on any level...im merely stating the facts...so someone speaking their opinion on something is someone trying to prove something to YOU? that makes no sense...at all nor the analysis of it.....most of the world tries to ignore metaphysics and the reality of it and claim its psychological...this Is the actual work of shaytan to ignore HIM and his actions...so that more people are afflicted in terrible ways...it is also NOT true that ruqyah is the only way to get rid of black magic...you are very incorrect and obviously not versed in any of this. my brother had an Egyptian teacher who had to get rid of jinns and he used these courses as well. And went through the same pain and suffering. THis is not just me or one or two people this is millions...who are afflicted by these symptoms and pain..they definitely NOT psychological and all magic spoken about is "Energy"...this is energy and yes its talked about in the Quran because magic is energy. People are afflicted by black magic indifferent ways and if the solution was an easy as ruqyah the world would be a much simpler place. I am also not trying to prove anything to you but to state the truth which is very important in the world today... PSYCHIC vampirism and black magic is VERY real and to say its psychological isnt good and causes more problems in this world. I definitely am not here to seek your advice or approval....im here to talk and possibly vent and get advice if not that's fine but just talk because I am suffering sometimes. ALso, to rule things out as psychological is demeaning and it puts the problem on the person and not the actual issue going on ...this is where shaytan and his demons can continue affecting people and no one ever finds a real solution....my brother who is well versed in this stuff too in fact researched and found out that using the Quran in fact is a halal way of getting rid of jinns..and listening to a tape isn't what does it....its complicated and many healers do follow the Islamic way of getting rid of jinns...it is not sci fi hocus pocus and people like you who haven't really had to deal with it are lucky because you haven't but don't undermine the truth and reality of it by claiming its psychological and turning it all on the person who is already a victim and suffering..and saying im in a victim role..yes ive been a victim and most victims can be and victims need help they don't need condescension and demeaning words to further confuse them unfortunately I have been a victim otherwise I would like to help out those in a similar situation because people like me who are compassionate understanding and who have been trhough a lot of these things can fully understand every aspect of them....rather than those who really haven't..who lack that compassion and understanding...my words are also used to speak the truth about it and to show anyone reading this how I feel not prove anything to you..why would that even be something to say....im talking and speaking my point...and how I feel and my opinions..thats discussion...its not that people are trying to prove anything to you...that makes no sense...and your analysis on the reasoning is so silly and makes no sense either...
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Aselam aleykum
Sorry for taking so long, I haven't had time last few days to post.
I must say I'm somewhat disappointed in your response. I never said that all metaphysical things are explained by psychology. In fact I stated quite clearly that I believe in the existence of black magic and djinns, but that I suspect that in your case that it could be both. And I didn't even dismiss any possibility, I just expressed my concerns and advised you to at least consider the other possibility. I'm sorry if you felt that is dismissive, I certainly didn't mean to imply that it's all on you. I would think that it was clear from post that I consider whatever is happening to you quite serious, and that I showed concern for your well being, but that I was just suggesting to be more open-minded to different scenarios.
Furthermore, you say that I'm not well versed in these things because I said that there is no other way of getting rid of black magic besides ruqyah. But if you scroll up, you'll see that this wasn't what I said. I know that there are other ways. What I said was that ruqyah is the only method we SHOULD use to get rid of it. And I'm also aware that many people have different "methods" of dealing with this. But that doesn't mean their approach is hallal. And this is why I suspect that part of what your dealing with is psychosomatic. Not because I always think this by default; but because ruqyah is barely helping.
As for whether or not the existence of good and bad energy, and energy vampirism. You claim that I was wrong, and that there is proof for all of that, but I don't see you bringing any references. I know about ayaath from the quran and hadeeth that speak of black magic and djinn, but not of any that speak of energy, and people having good or bad energy, and the ability to dump or take someone elses energy. I also don't see you bringing forward any scientific references of any such thing.
And yes, I was harsh. I even admitted that in my previous posts. But I still had your best interest in heart. So even if you disagree with my analysis/opinion, there was no reason to get so verbally aggressive.
Sorry for taking so long, I haven't had time last few days to post.
I must say I'm somewhat disappointed in your response. I never said that all metaphysical things are explained by psychology. In fact I stated quite clearly that I believe in the existence of black magic and djinns, but that I suspect that in your case that it could be both. And I didn't even dismiss any possibility, I just expressed my concerns and advised you to at least consider the other possibility. I'm sorry if you felt that is dismissive, I certainly didn't mean to imply that it's all on you. I would think that it was clear from post that I consider whatever is happening to you quite serious, and that I showed concern for your well being, but that I was just suggesting to be more open-minded to different scenarios.
Furthermore, you say that I'm not well versed in these things because I said that there is no other way of getting rid of black magic besides ruqyah. But if you scroll up, you'll see that this wasn't what I said. I know that there are other ways. What I said was that ruqyah is the only method we SHOULD use to get rid of it. And I'm also aware that many people have different "methods" of dealing with this. But that doesn't mean their approach is hallal. And this is why I suspect that part of what your dealing with is psychosomatic. Not because I always think this by default; but because ruqyah is barely helping.
As for whether or not the existence of good and bad energy, and energy vampirism. You claim that I was wrong, and that there is proof for all of that, but I don't see you bringing any references. I know about ayaath from the quran and hadeeth that speak of black magic and djinn, but not of any that speak of energy, and people having good or bad energy, and the ability to dump or take someone elses energy. I also don't see you bringing forward any scientific references of any such thing.
And yes, I was harsh. I even admitted that in my previous posts. But I still had your best interest in heart. So even if you disagree with my analysis/opinion, there was no reason to get so verbally aggressive.