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My point was that there isn't a widespread Afghan supported insurgency...the base of operations for the insurgency in Afghanistan is Pakistan.
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My point was that there isn't a widespread Afghan supported insurgency...the base of operations for the insurgency in Afghanistan is Pakistan.
Sounds good.
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the border between pakistan and afghanistan is porous and it is the same people on both sides and they don't recgonize the border. yes, the base is now in pakistan.
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Vietnam is not an analogous situation (although the Russian involvement in Afghanistan may be). Ultimately it was the Soviet backed North Vietnamese regulars that won the war, not the Vietcong irregulars who by the end of the Tet offensive were pretty much busted... the organisations remained but replacements were usually North Vietnamese. It was also the NVA who generally did the 'outnumbering', BTW.
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Cognescenti, I never praised or supported anything based on extremism, may it be from Muslims or by non-Muslims. Our religion doesn't permit us. Wrong is wrong, but that doesn't provide enough justification to someone to attack a sovereign country and destabilise the whole region. I don't care whether Talibans come into power or their opponents. It all depends upon Afghans, as to whom they want. Only a free and fair election can help determine the future govt, which can represent Afghanistan in true perspective, not the existing puppet one, which is serving western interests.
With regard to your claims of Talibans not returning into power, I think you are a bit wishful, since you are not the actual spokesman on their behalf. The right to elect the govt rests only with Afghans. However I can claim safely that Americans and NATO will never win in Afghanistan. The reasons I explained in detail in one of my posts above. More than that, I shall have to use pure military terminologies, in order to give credibility to my reasoning, which I don't want, since it would be too hard for you to comprehend
Canada threatens to pull soldiers from Afghanistan
Jan 28, 2008
OTTAWA(Reuters) - Canada will pull its 2,500 troops out of Afghanistan early next year unless NATO sends in significant reinforcements, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Monday, signaling Ottawa has lost patience with what it sees as foot-dragging by allies.
Harper, who is exasperated at the refusal of many other NATO nations to commit more troops to Afghanistan, said the Alliance's failure to provide enough forces meant the whole future of the organization was under serious threat.
"NATO's reputation is on the line here ... all the increasing evidence suggests that NATO's efforts in Afghanistan as a whole are not adequate.
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=22966
U.S. to press NATO for more troops for Afghanistan
Tue Jan 29
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon said on Tuesday it will press NATO's European members to send more troops to Afghanistan's violent south in response to a call from Canada for reinforcements, but Washington will not boost its force there.
U.S. defense officials too have regularly complained about the unwillingness of European allies to dedicate more combat troops and equipment to Afghanistan, where Taliban violence has steadily climbed for more than two years.
The United States has 29,000 troops in Afghanistan and earlier this month said it would add 3,200 Marines to that war zone. Morrell said 2,200 of those would be sent to Afghanistan's violent south, which includes Kandahar.
"That's as much and as deep as we're going at this point," Morrell said.
Asked if the Pentagon was considering an additional deployment following Canada's call, Morrell said, "No."
"We've done, as I made clear, what we can do," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080129/pl_nm/afghan_usa_canada_dc_1
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Jan 28, 2008
OTTAWA(Reuters) - Canada will pull its 2,500 troops out of Afghanistan early next year unless NATO sends in significant reinforcements, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Monday, signaling Ottawa has lost patience with what it sees as foot-dragging by allies.
Harper, who is exasperated at the refusal of many other NATO nations to commit more troops to Afghanistan, said the Alliance's failure to provide enough forces meant the whole future of the organization was under serious threat.
"NATO's reputation is on the line here ... all the increasing evidence suggests that NATO's efforts in Afghanistan as a whole are not adequate.
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=22966
U.S. to press NATO for more troops for Afghanistan
Tue Jan 29
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon said on Tuesday it will press NATO's European members to send more troops to Afghanistan's violent south in response to a call from Canada for reinforcements, but Washington will not boost its force there.
U.S. defense officials too have regularly complained about the unwillingness of European allies to dedicate more combat troops and equipment to Afghanistan, where Taliban violence has steadily climbed for more than two years.
The United States has 29,000 troops in Afghanistan and earlier this month said it would add 3,200 Marines to that war zone. Morrell said 2,200 of those would be sent to Afghanistan's violent south, which includes Kandahar.
"That's as much and as deep as we're going at this point," Morrell said.
Asked if the Pentagon was considering an additional deployment following Canada's call, Morrell said, "No."
"We've done, as I made clear, what we can do," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080129/pl_nm/afghan_usa_canada_dc_1
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Half-trained troops to fight the Taleban
From The Times
January 31, 2008
Nearly 1,000 new army recruits face having their combat training cut by half so that they can be rushed to the battlefields of Afghanistan.
The Army has been facing serious manning shortfalls for some time.
Although recruitment has been improving in recent months, there has been a steady rise in the number of officers and other ranks leaving the Service early. This was highlighted this week by the Commons Defence Committee.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3279578.ece
Afghan war may not be forgotten so easily
From The Times
January 31, 2008
Afghanistan risks becoming “the forgotten war” and a failed state beyond retrieval because of deteriorating international support and a growing violent insurgency, according to a distinguished independent panel in the US.
Support for the conflict in coalition countries is wavering. A recent report to the Canadian Parliament was striking for its resentment that the US had not always appreciated the role of its forces, which were involved in some of the fiercest fighting.
Tension is unsurprising because the US feels that the allies could do more. Gates said yesterday that he agreed with the argument that more troops were needed, “but certainly not ours”.
The picture that emerges from Kabul is that Karzai is terrifyingly vulnerable: barricaded into the palace, reminiscing about his stay with the Prince of Wales that gave him the freedom to walk a mile.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/bronwen_maddox/article3279658.ece
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From The Times
January 31, 2008
Nearly 1,000 new army recruits face having their combat training cut by half so that they can be rushed to the battlefields of Afghanistan.
The Army has been facing serious manning shortfalls for some time.
Although recruitment has been improving in recent months, there has been a steady rise in the number of officers and other ranks leaving the Service early. This was highlighted this week by the Commons Defence Committee.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3279578.ece
Afghan war may not be forgotten so easily
From The Times
January 31, 2008
Afghanistan risks becoming “the forgotten war” and a failed state beyond retrieval because of deteriorating international support and a growing violent insurgency, according to a distinguished independent panel in the US.
Support for the conflict in coalition countries is wavering. A recent report to the Canadian Parliament was striking for its resentment that the US had not always appreciated the role of its forces, which were involved in some of the fiercest fighting.
Tension is unsurprising because the US feels that the allies could do more. Gates said yesterday that he agreed with the argument that more troops were needed, “but certainly not ours”.
The picture that emerges from Kabul is that Karzai is terrifyingly vulnerable: barricaded into the palace, reminiscing about his stay with the Prince of Wales that gave him the freedom to walk a mile.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/bronwen_maddox/article3279658.ece
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Since we're keeping up with Afghan War news here....
Al-Qaida commander in Afghanistan killed
By PAUL SCHEMM, Associated Press Writer
AP
Abu Laith al-Libi, a top al-Qaida commander in Afghanistan who was blamed for bombing a base while Vice President Cheney was visiting last year, has been killed in Pakistan, according to a militant Web site.
Al-Libi was a key link between the Taliban and al-Qaida and was one of the Americans' 12 most-wanted men with a bounty of $200,000 on his head.
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A knowledgeable Western official said that "it appears at this point that al-Libi has met his demise," but declined to talk about the circumstances. "It was a major success in taking one of the top terrorists in the world off the street," the official said. He added that the death occurred "within the last few days."
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Al-Libi also led an al-Qaida training camp and appeared in a number of al-Qaida Internet videos.
Maj. Chris Belcher, a spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan, said last year that al-Libi was a guerrilla fighter "knowledgeable about how to conduct suicide bombing missions and how to inflict the most civilian casualties." He had probably directed "one or more terror training camps," Belcher said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080131...n&printer=1;_ylt=AgLsI8ufa5fUiHZPHw.NOhcUewgF
Al-Qaida commander in Afghanistan killed
By PAUL SCHEMM, Associated Press Writer
AP
Abu Laith al-Libi, a top al-Qaida commander in Afghanistan who was blamed for bombing a base while Vice President Cheney was visiting last year, has been killed in Pakistan, according to a militant Web site.
Al-Libi was a key link between the Taliban and al-Qaida and was one of the Americans' 12 most-wanted men with a bounty of $200,000 on his head.
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A knowledgeable Western official said that "it appears at this point that al-Libi has met his demise," but declined to talk about the circumstances. "It was a major success in taking one of the top terrorists in the world off the street," the official said. He added that the death occurred "within the last few days."
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Al-Libi also led an al-Qaida training camp and appeared in a number of al-Qaida Internet videos.
Maj. Chris Belcher, a spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan, said last year that al-Libi was a guerrilla fighter "knowledgeable about how to conduct suicide bombing missions and how to inflict the most civilian casualties." He had probably directed "one or more terror training camps," Belcher said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080131...n&printer=1;_ylt=AgLsI8ufa5fUiHZPHw.NOhcUewgF
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The Afghan Governement has FAILED, Failing and will continue to FAIL. How do i know this? I am an AFGHAN myself, and in the past month or so, 200 people was dead. It wasn't war that caused it. It was Cold! People froze to death. WHAT DID THEY GOV'T DO? NOTHING!
i see, two things will happen:
1. We (afghans) will realize that there is nothing for us in this lousy gov't. and go against them, which would be really dirty, possible a civial war or the gov't will get nutralized and the forign troop pull out.
2. People will start supporting Taliban again, or A new group will form similar to the Tablian movement, and call themselves as oppositions who are against NATO and gain the people's choice.
Allah knows best!
i see, two things will happen:
1. We (afghans) will realize that there is nothing for us in this lousy gov't. and go against them, which would be really dirty, possible a civial war or the gov't will get nutralized and the forign troop pull out.
2. People will start supporting Taliban again, or A new group will form similar to the Tablian movement, and call themselves as oppositions who are against NATO and gain the people's choice.
Allah knows best!
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OK, so let's say either one happens and a new government is in power. When the next winter roles around and you see 200 more people die and the government does nothing. What are you going to do then?
Another revolution, in a never ending series?
Or let's say you are in power and an insurgent war is limiting your capability to help these people. Would you blame the new people who rise up and kill you?
Just a few thoughts.
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Is this a new phenomenon...that it gets cold in the Winter in Afghansitan?
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US concerned international community may abandon Afghanistan
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WASHINGTON (AFP) — The United States expressed concern Thursday that the international community could abandon Afghanistan, cautioning that success in the insurgency-wracked nation was "not assured."
"The greatest threat to Afghanistan's future is abandonment by the international community," Richard Boucher, the State Department's pointman for Afghanistan, told a Senate hearing on the turmoil in Afghanistan.
He said the mission in Afghanistan needed more troops and equipment, such as helicopters, and pointed out that "too few of our allies have combat troops fighting the insurgents especially in the south."
Southern Afghanistan has seen the worst violence since the Taliban were ousted in the US-led invasion in 2001, after the September 11 terror attacks masterminded by Al-Qaeda.
for the rest:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jIzrnxCvy1uA9XeJqQr8omx-J69A
14 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AFP) — The United States expressed concern Thursday that the international community could abandon Afghanistan, cautioning that success in the insurgency-wracked nation was "not assured."
"The greatest threat to Afghanistan's future is abandonment by the international community," Richard Boucher, the State Department's pointman for Afghanistan, told a Senate hearing on the turmoil in Afghanistan.
He said the mission in Afghanistan needed more troops and equipment, such as helicopters, and pointed out that "too few of our allies have combat troops fighting the insurgents especially in the south."
Southern Afghanistan has seen the worst violence since the Taliban were ousted in the US-led invasion in 2001, after the September 11 terror attacks masterminded by Al-Qaeda.
for the rest:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jIzrnxCvy1uA9XeJqQr8omx-J69A
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