Ahmadinejad calls for UN 9/11 investigation

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Dagless said:
Because he isn't afraid to stand up to the bully?
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No, because he's a hate monger and a liar. Just because he happens to be Muslim, it doesn't make him an honest or even decent person. Look at how he rigged the last election and what was done to those who opposed him.
 
Boaz said:
No, because he's a hate monger and a liar. Just because he happens to be Muslim, it doesn't make him an honest or even decent person. Look at how he rigged the last election and what was done to those who opposed him.
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The same can be said for many others, but i'll ask you this: Do you like Ariel sharon?.. i mean, just because he was "jewish", it makes him a good person, right? :/
Ahmadinejad may not be very favoured among many, but at least he has the guts to say something out loud, and back, and at times defend Muslims, whether or not it's for his own agenda, we can't say for sure, but he's better than all those other cowards, like Mubarak, who don't even speak out for brothers and sisters in Palestine or Gaza.
 
No, I know Jews can be bad too. But at least I acknowledge that the Israeli government has committed terrible acts in Gaza and it was Jewish people who did it. Ariel Sharon does not represent the Jews just like Osama bin Laden or the Saudi Royals don't represent the Muslims. Face the fact that Ahmedinejad, Muslim or not, wants to do is cause fear and hate in the world.
 
Boaz said:
Face the fact that Ahmedinejad, Muslim or not, wants to do is cause fear and hate in the world.
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He may not be the best leader ever, but how exactly does he cause fear and hate in the world? :s
 
"Wipe Israel off the map." for one thing. And the way he detained those who oppose his rule. Then there is his "peaceful" nuclear program. The oppression of gays and women. Most of all, his messages antagonizing the West and inspiring hate in the Middle East. Iran deserves better than what they have now.
 
Boaz said:
"Wipe Israel off the map." for one thing.
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with or without Iran that is a popular sentiment, however, I doubt very much he was quoted correctly.

And the way he detained those who oppose his rule.
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I agree with that, especially his treatment of sunnis
Then there is his "peaceful" nuclear program.
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He should be entitled as any sovereign nation to a nuclear program
The oppression of gays
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Gays should be closeted, there is no room for sexual displays hetero or homo in any society.

and women.
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How do you figure? they have more women in the Iranian parliament than there are women in the senate and house combined, and they are generally very well educated, most scientific research actually comes out of Iran not the west.
http://www.newscientist.com/article...fastest-scientific-growth-of-any-country.html

thus you'll have to define for us what you mean by oppression?
Most of all, his messages antagonizing the West and inspiring hate in the Middle East.
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The same could be said of the west, antagonizing of the Muslim world and spreading hate.. I mean surely this is a two way street?
Iran deserves better than what they have now.
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Every place deserves better, but until the uprise of khilafah rule insha'Allah, we are all equally stuck with despots!

all the best
 
Boaz said:
"Wipe Israel off the map." for one thing. And the way he detained those who oppose his rule. Then there is his "peaceful" nuclear program. The oppression of gays and women. Most of all, his messages antagonizing the West and inspiring hate in the Middle East. Iran deserves better than what they have now.
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That's not exactly what he said. It was translated as hoping the regime would vanish. I find nothing wrong with that; the regime is a bad one. What problem do you have with the nuclear program? It is completely legal and plenty of countries have similar. Iran is well within its rights on that one. "Oppression of gays and women" is subjective. It is a Muslim country so you'll never get open homosexuality, as for the rights of women; that's a long one but you could say the same of a few other countries - I don't see anyone trying to put sanctions on them though. Anyone who wants to be independent of the West is "antagonizing" them.
 
If you want to get into specifics, I'd like to see sanctions on the Saudi Royals too.
 
Boaz said:
If you want to get into specifics, I'd like to see sanctions on the Saudi Royals too.
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I'll like to see sanctions against the US too as its one of the biggest supporters of the royal family.
 
As an American, I want us not to get involved in world problems anymore except in extreme cases like World War II. Even is we do good in the short term, in the long term, it comes back to bite us hard.
 
Boaz said:
As an American, I want us not to get involved in world problems anymore except in extreme cases like World War II. Even is we do good in the short term, in the long term, it comes back to bite us hard.
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what makes you think that America is 'good' or any other existing regime for that matter?.. in the wise words of Einstein 'nationalism is an infantile disease'
 
Boaz said:
As an American, I want us not to get involved in world problems anymore except in extreme cases like World War II. Even is we do good in the short term, in the long term, it comes back to bite us hard.
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The US, if anything brother, is the worst nation around. It is their duty to involve themselves in everything, just like they force one country to invade another (giving Iraq weapons to attack Iran) and how they invade others themselves (Iraq), or how they support (Israel > Gaza).
 
I am going to say this once about Israel: No side in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is innocent. If both sides stop the fighting, they can create a great nation. Ishmael and Isaac's descendants should be acting like brothers. My God, that land would be the jewel of the Mediterranean.

However, I think the US did plenty good in the world. We contribute a lot to humanitarian aid. Remember the earthquakes in China and Haiti for example? We were there on the spot to help. I don't remember China helping us after Hurricane Katrina. But we associated with some very nasty types. I agree with you about how we supported Iraq at one time, and the Ba'ath party was nothing but a petty and cruel dictatorship. Also, we trained and armed bin Laden when the Russians invaded Afghanistan when we should have known what he really was.
 
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Boaz said:
I am going to say this once about Israel: No side in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is innocent. If both sides stop the fighting, they can create a great nation. Ishmael and Isaac's descendants should be acting like brothers. My God, that land would be the jewel of the Mediterranean.

However, I think the US did plenty good in the world. We contribute a lot to humanitarian aid. Remember the earthquakes in China and Haiti for example? We were there on the spot to help. I don't remember China helping us after Hurricane Katrina. But we associated with some very nasty types. I agree with you about how we supported Iraq at one time, and the Ba'ath party was nothing but a petty and cruel dictatorship. Also, we trained and armed bin Laden when the Russians invaded Afghanistan when we should have known what he really was.
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What he really was, was a US agent, that's what. Told to play along after 9/11. The people of America are innocent, but your leaders are not, or anyone supporting and funding them (the big corporations). The US (government) has never done good, and the small "good" they seem to do is for their own agenda and reasons. I wonder why the US is giving Israel 30 billion $?? I wonder why they are in Afghanistan, supposedly guarding the opium fields from the Taliban. I wonder why they gave Hussein weapons of "mass" destruction, then invaded after they realised he won't be doing their bidding? I wonder why they want to isolate any nation that won't associate with them (Iran, N Korea), and how they're releasing chemicals in the air, or how they are using taxpayers money to fund their own operations such as underground bases and bunkers yet won't let anyone know about it or why they are doing it, or how they are hiding any data about UFO links, or anything else related to ETs / life in space etc. These are very broad and varying topics of discussion but my point is the US does only a little good to fund a greater evil, and it's the same with any nation which has had the taste for power. There is more behind this though than just money, land or whatever and frankly people will just deny that and try to live blind. The US aint all that innocent, like the media leads us to believe bro.


ps. sorry, i've pretty much derailed this thread.
 
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