Alcohol Consumption: Pros & Cons

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i've been clean for for 23 years. after the first 2 months, i didn't even miss it.
before i quit, i tried many times and failed. yes - it is indeed tough!
 
Hamada said:
True, but the difference is alcohol changes the way you think.. A decent person could become a wild monster!(he might rape, steal, harm) while he is not even aware of it. The above mentioned does not get you in that state.
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that is true, but as it has been said many times, most people consume alcohol in moderate quantitites and only a part of those who don't turn into monsters.
Instead of banning alcohol as such, we should try to reduce excessive use, prevent drunks from driving etc.
 
ummsara1108 said:
yes they do, you don't take the chance of killing someone else with a glass of coke or coffee or even a smoke, but alcohol is well known to cause accidents and physical/mental abuse unlike the others i've mentioned.
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Well, in Europe 19,000 non-smokers a year die because of tobacco, I don't think the number of alcohol related accidents is significantly higher.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
that is true, but as it has been said many times, most people consume alcohol in moderate quantitites and only a part of those who don't turn into monsters.
Instead of banning alcohol as such, we should try to reduce excessive use, prevent drunks from driving etc.
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Are we not already trying to do so?

Its funny how people always say ''we should'' and the reality is clearly not even willing to put an effort into ''trying to reduce excessive use''.

I cant even walk on a saturday night trough town (not that I would) without getting shouted at, or being chased! By maniacs who think they can fly!(they think they are superman). Its not one person the whole town is gone mad at that moment. Why? because they are young! they live there live to the max. Maybe when they hit 30-40 ish, they will say ''excessive alcohol'' is bad. By that time the new generations of young people is having living there life to the max. So its a never ending process!
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Well, in Europe 19,000 non-smokers a year die because of tobacco, I don't think the number of alcohol related accidents is significantly higher.
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Thats not the point, the point is alcohol affect the way ur brain funtions.
 
Hamada said:
Are we not already trying to do so?
We are, but apparently not hard enough. It isn't much we can do without inflicting with the right of individual to hurt themselves.

Its funny how people always say ''we should'' and the reality is clearly not even willing to put an effort into ''trying to reduce excessive use''.
There's been an improvent. Booze is no longer advertized in the mass media, on the other ahnd there are plenty of ads that discourgae drinking, schools educate children about the dangers of overconsumption...but as I said, little can be done. The state could put introduce higher taxes on alcohol, but nobody wants that...

I cant even walk on a saturday night trough town (not that I would) without getting shouted at, or being chased! By maniacs who think they can fly!(they think they are superman). Its not one person the whole town is gone mad at that moment. Why? because they are young! they live there live to the max. Maybe when they hit 30-40 ish, they will say ''excessive alcohol'' is bad. By that time the new generations of young people is having living there life to the max. So its a never ending process!
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I go out every friday/saturday night, sometimes I drink quite a lot but I never get crazy and all. Different people react differently to alcohol.
 
krypton6 said:
Smoking cigarettes in Islam is haraam too.
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bro you have to be extremely careful when saying that something is haraam, smoking isn't haraam as it doesn't intoxicate you, and its not mentioned in quran etc

if smoking was haraam then millions would be guilty of it
 
Personally I drink much less alcohol than people in my age do. There are many reasons. One of them is that I always like to control myselfe and btw I am often used as a driver by my friends so alcohol is no option then.
But i know that small amounts of alcohol are not bad for health especially for older people.
But of course alcoholism is a disaster for a person and his family.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Despite it's alleged scientific miracles I am certain the Quran doesn't mention tobacco.
I heard all things that can harm the body are haraam. Is it so?
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aadil77 said:
bro you have to be extremely careful when saying that something is haraam, smoking isn't haraam as it doesn't intoxicate you, and its not mentioned in quran etc

if smoking was haraam then millions would be guilty of it
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:salamext:,

The most precautionary view is that it is haram. Also, I've read in a book where scholars have said it is haram because it is both an intoxicant and a sedative. This fatwa supports what I have said:

"Question:
Is smoking cigarettes Haraam?

Answer:

Praise be to Allah and peace and blessings be on His Prophet
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SAWS.

Smoking is one of the things which has caused a lot of problems and harm these days and it has spread like wild fire. Before we discuss this topic in detail, we should know that Allaah the Almighty has divided things in the world into two types, good or permissible (al-tayyibaat, al-halaal) and evil or prohibited (al-khabaa'ith, al-haraam), and there is no third type. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning) in surat al-A'raaf (7:157):
"And He makes good things halaal for them and bad things haraam."
Considering this fact, smoking can either be permissible and good or prohibited and evil.
Thus, we present some of its characteristics and let the person asking the question see himself in which type lies smoking.

  1. There is no disagreement among the physicians and sane people that smoking is harmful for health. It is one of the major causes of lung cancer and other diseases. It is also one of the major causes of death. Since, it is known that the Islamic law prohibits everything that is harmful for a human being. Allah said (interpretation of meaning): "Do not kill yourself. Allah is Merciful unto you." (Surat al-Nisaa' 4:29)
    In addition, His Prophet
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    SAWS (peace be upon him) said:
    "There is no harm or causing of harm (in Islaam)." (Arabic "laa darar wa laa diraar")
    He SAWS (peace be upon him) also said:
    "A person will not be able to move on the Day of Judgment until he is asked about ... his body as to what he engaged it in."
    Smoking also goes against the saying of the Prophet
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    SAWS:
    "Your body has a right on you."
  2. There is no disagreement among the physicians and sane people that smoking is harmful for the health of others who inhale the polluted breath of the smoker. Medical research has proven the harmful effects of smoking mothers on their children.
  3. The offensive smell caused by smoking is a source of pain to the worshippers of Allah among humans and angels. The angels are offended and suffer from the same things that the human beings suffer from. Allah said (interpretation of the meaning): "Those who cause harm to believing men and women without any reason do a great sin." (Surat al-Ahzaab, 33:58)
  4. The money that is spent on cigarettes is used on buying a harmful thing and is therefore an extravagance. Allah said (interpretation of the meaning): "… and do not be extravagant wasters. Those who are extravagant are kinsmen of Satan." (Surat al-Israa' 17:26-27)
    Extravagance (in Islam) means spending on something haraam.
    Spending money on cigarettes is a waste of resources as well. The Prophet
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    SAWS (peace be upon him) said:
    "A person will not be able to move on the Day of Judgment until he is asked about ..... what he owned as to how he spent it."
    Considering all that has been presented, it can be clearly seen that smoking is an evil among many others. It is not permissible to indulge in it, or buy and sell it, or even to offer it to others. It is incumbent on a person who is addicted to it that he must make all efforts and get whatever necessary treatment to stop it. If the unbelievers have understood the harm caused by smoking and made laws regarding it, the Muslims should be even more eager to stop it and treat those who are addicted to it. We ask Allah the Almighty to cure everyone indulging in this evil and help him in giving it up. Allah is the Best Guide to the Right Path. "
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=110&ln=eng&txt=smoking

Wassalam.
 
wow brother omari thanks for that info on all that...

here people are sayin on the news things like 'Smoking is good for your heart and lungs and bla bla bla i gots no idea what i is sayin i just addicted and mite as well make others like meeee' and all that stuff and that it WOULD be good for KIDS but its against the law which is absolutly STUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIID!!!!!!!!




p.s. this is one of those posts by me that u is supposed to ignore because i dunt wanna be part of threads that become biiig fights and get closed...kk
 
In Malaysia, some of the states have fatwa saying smoking is haram.

but as usual...it only become a fatwa...
 
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Smoking is concidered haram, because if smoked for a long period of time it can cause health issues, and suicide is a sin...
 
krypton6 said:
Drinking barrels of water wont kill you, drinking barrels of coke wont kill you, eating tons of meat wont kill you, you'll just have a hard time getting out of the bathroom.
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Oh well, you are very wrong ! Drinking too much water can harm the body also very much.

Out of this webpage:
However, even water intake requires moderation: recent media reports have focussed on people who have drunk too much water, which can overwhelm the kidneys and lead to swelling of the brain. Water intoxication can cause symptoms of headache, dizziness, nausea, confusion and, in extreme cases, can lead to coma and death, although this is rare. Certain drugs, including illegal ones such as ecstasy, can trigger drinking excessive amounts of water. It can also be caused by health conditions that affect water balance, such as kidney failure, liver cirrhosis, and uncontrolled diabetes. Drinking excessive amounts of water can also have a psychological cause when it is known as psychogenic polydipsia.
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Drinking too much Coke, well, needless to say how much Calories you're going to swallow, except you drink Cokde Diet or Coke Zero, but then your stomach will be happy of so much Carbon gas.

Drinking alcohol with Moderation is a big benefit for the body.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Lets make things clear. What are you proposing? Prohibition?
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I am not in a position to prohibit things.

Neither am I proposing it.

All I am saying is alcohol use is uncontrollable, no matter how good you make it look, or how innocent you describe alcohol.

To many lifes destroyed, to many lifes will be destroyed!
 
Hamada said:
To many lifes destroyed, to many lifes will be destroyed!
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True. See what Telegraph has to reveal about UK only.


"Deaths from alcohol have doubled since the early 1990s, according to a major study, but the Government has ignored authoritative evidence over the way to tackle the dangers of drinking.

The report says the Government has failed to tackle the booze culture and the number of alcohol-related deaths had doubled since 1991 to 8,000 in 2005.Alcohol-related illnesses and accidents are reported to cost the National Health Service £3 billion a year".


Telegraph. UK
14/11/2007


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/13/nalcohol213.xml
 
Finland to introduce warnings on alcohol

HELSINKI, Finland — Finland will introduce health warnings on bottles of beer, wine and liquor, following reports that alcohol has become the country's biggest killer, officials said Friday.

Health officials said that alcohol is the biggest single cause of accidents in the country, with more than 25% of all cases treated at health centers involving the abuse of alcohol. At weekends, some 50% of patients treated are under the influence of alcohol.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-09-21-finland-alcohol_N.htm
 
No pros in consuming such things. It distorts your mind, and leaves you out of control, leading to various unreligious acts to occur!
 

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