Allah

[Makky]

My being able to write this email is evidence that the GFSM made my laptop.
Now do you have any evidence?

your disability to prove scientifically the 1st step of the theory of evolution is an evidence of the creation..and the creation is the evidence for a creator

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

in general its the lack of evidence that god exists.
You are the one making a positive claim and it therefore your responciblity to prove it. Like wise if i were to say the toothfairy exists its not your responciblity to prove it doesnt but mine to prove it does.

Perhaps you can prove im not god?
Or is it my responciblity to prove i am god?

whats that got to do with anything? you've just tried to turn it around to make me(as a believer in God) look like the villian. i get the point where you state that im making a positive claim, so it up to me to prove it, but your the one who claims that god doesn't exsist and are therefore equally responsible to prove your claim that He dosn't.

 

[Malaikah]

Does god send rain down? Nope. We have that explained through the water cycle.

You know this sheer ignorance of religion, don't you? What, do you think we believe that God has a bucket from which He pours down rain? (God forbid that such a thought would ever cross our mind).

It is by His Will that it rains, He is the one who invented rain in the first place, and if He decides to hold back your rain, I would love to see try to bring the rain back against His Will.

 

[zaria]

My being able to write this email is evidence that the GFSM made my laptop.
Now do you have any evidence?

Sura Az Zumar 39:1-7
Az-Zumar
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

The revelation of the Scripture is from Allah, the Mighty, the Wise. (1) Lo! We have revealed the Scripture unto thee (Muhammad) with truth; so worship Allah, making religion pure for Him (only). (2) Surely pure religion is for Allah only. And those who choose protecting friends beside Him (say): We worship them only that they may bring us near unto Allah. Lo! Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Lo! Allah guideth not him who is a liar, an ingrate. (3) If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created. Be He glorified! He is Allah, the One, the Absolute. (4) He hath created the heavens and the earth with truth. He maketh night to succeed day, and He maketh day to succeed night, and He constraineth the sun and the moon to give service, each running on for an appointed term. Is not He the Mighty, the Forgiver? (5) He created you from one being, then from that (being) He made its mate; and He hath provided for you of cattle eight kinds. He created you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation, in a threefold gloom. Such is Allah, your Lord. His is the Sovereignty. There is no God save Him. How then are ye turned away? (6) If ye are thankless, yet Allah is Independent of you, though He is not pleased with thanklessness for His bondmen; and if ye are thankful He is pleased therewith for you. No laden soul will bear another's load. Then unto your Lord is your return; and He will tell you what ye used to do. Lo! He knoweth what is in the breasts (of men). (7)

I pray that you understand these ayats from the absolute Allah Ta'ala. While you are on your laptop look up Al Qadar to get a an understanding of Nothing is done unless Allah wills it.

 

[ranma1/2]

is this the way and the level of knowledge you want to talk with?
Ranma1/2 wake up..You will live life once..don't waste it..Think about you future life!

oooh nooesss.... not the your going to hell threat... oh noes.... now you got me converted. but wait. convert to GFSM or you will boil in hot water forever.
You only live once... Dont ruin it by following other gods other than the GFSM.

 

[ranma1/2]

your disability to prove scientifically the 1st step of the theory of evolution is an evidence of the creation..and the creation is the evidence for a creator

nope its proof that the GFSM sneezed the world into existence.

"hint , im not taking you pratts seriously."

 

[ranma1/2]

You know this sheer ignorance of religion, don't you? What, do you think we believe that God has a bucket from which He pours down rain? (God forbid that such a thought would ever cross our mind).

It is by His Will that it rains, He is the one who invented rain in the first place, and if He decides to hold back your rain, I would love to see try to bring the rain back against His Will.

come on we all know "as well as you do in your heart" that the GFSM controlls all water and rain. after all if there was no water you could not make pasta in tribute to the GFSM.

Ramen.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

So i have come to the conclusion that even IF he was existant I would reject him and utter the greatest of disrepects from my lips

then stop breathing his air,
get out of his kingdome,
stop eating his food,
stop enjoying his creation,



may Allah guide you....

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

ignoring the first statement due to its complete lack of evidence.

Does god send rain down? Nope. We have that explained through the water cycle.

Does god turn day into night?
Nope, the rotation of the earth does that.
"hmmm you would think something as scientificly accurate as the quran wouldhave gotten that right."

everthing requires maintanance. When you build a machine do you think you can just leave it? at best it will rust, at worst it will explode.

theres maintanance and balance for everything, and its in perfect harmony, to suggest its aall been maintained for millions of years by utter chance is ridiculous. just utterly ridiculous

 

[Pk_#2]

Ello,

Welcome to the forum,

Surah Fussilat: "Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?" [Al-Quran 41:53]

It is He Who has created for you (the faculties of) hearing, sight, feeling and understanding: little thanks it is ye give!..

It is He Who gives Life and Death; and when He decides upon an affair, He says to it, "Be", and it is.

It is He Who has sent His Apostle with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).

It is He Who has created you; and of you are some that are Unbelievers, and some that are Believers: and God sees well all that ye do.

It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge.

There is no god but He.

 

[ranma1/2]

everthing requires maintanance. When you build a machine do you think you can just leave it? at best it will rust, at worst it will explode.

theres maintanance and balance for everything, and its in perfect harmony, to suggest its aall been maintained for millions of years by utter chance is ridiculous. just utterly ridiculous

nope, pretty much only man made things require maintance.
Now if you can "prove" or provide evidence that the earth was made rather than going with the "god did it" approach non muslims might take you seriously.

 

[Muezzin]

What's the scientific definition for consciousness? I refuse to believe in such a silly concept until a scientific definition is presented. If it can't be proved scientifically, it does not exist.

Like, I don't love my family, because love cannot be measured. You cannot prove my love, therefore I do not love. You cannot prove that I urinated when I went to the toilet, therefore I do not urinate. If there was any evidence, it's in the sewer system by now. It's really quite logical. I cannot prove you exist. Therefore you are just a figment of my imagination, and when I close my eyes, you will disappear. It's so obvious when you think about it.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

What's the scientific definition for consciousness? I refuse to believe in such a silly concept until a scientific definition is presented. If it can't be proved scientifically, it does not exist.

Like, I don't love my family, because love cannot be measured. You cannot prove my love, therefore I do not love. You cannot prove that I urinated when I went to the toilet, therefore I do not urinate. If there was any evidence, it's in the sewer system by now. It's really quite logical. I cannot prove you exist. Therefore you are just a figment of my imagination, and when I close my eyes, you will disappear. It's so obvious when you think about it.

bro thats the harun yahya approach, it dont work lol,

theres so many flaws in that logic, just to point out one :

I cannot prove you exist. Therefore you are just a figment of my imagination, and when I close my eyes, you will disappear.

you can still touch em (not that u wud want to :X)


but im saying that the best explenation for disbelievers is the maintanance and even the Quran uses these explenations when asking to see how the birds remain in the sky etc.



Ranma1/2, i do not know how it is you reject that everything is controlled. Ranma why dont you try go against nature, why is it no one can go against nature? You know when the titanic was built they challenged God saying "God cant sink it", he sunk it first voyage, you know when the first rocket was built they said nothing can destroy it, "God destroyed it on its first missioN" you kno the name of that rocket? "the challenger" challenge wat?

seriously ranma think about it, why is it NOTHING AND NO ONE can disturb or go against nature?

can you turn back a tsunami or prevent the rain from falling? can you snatch away the essence which once a bird is launched keeps it lifted in the sky.



you probably think im just talking non-sense, how could you understand when you turn your glass upside down not allowing anything beneficial to be poured in....

 

[ranma1/2]

your disability to prove scientifically the 1st step of the theory of evolution is an evidence of the creation..and the creation is the evidence for a creator

so it sounds as if you think you know what the 1st step is?
So what is it?

 

[ranma1/2]

...I cannot prove you exist. Therefore you are just a figment of my imagination, and when I close my eyes, you will disappear. It's so obvious when you think about it.

thats pretty much why you cant "prove" anything.

You could easily be the dream of the third snail from the right.

But alas science does not deal with proof.
Instead it deals with evidence.

 

[ranma1/2]

That's absurd. :giggling:

IF you accept Allah to be a real being, you'd also believe in heaven and hell as being a reward/punishment to the believers/unbelievers respectively.

The question I'd like to ask you is, having acknowledged that there is a superior being, one that will punish you with hell-fire for going against his commandments, don't you think it'd be rather dumb to then go against this being? :rollseyes

Do you think its stupid to resist a burgler/theif/murder/mugger/rapists?
Does might make right? I myself could not ever worship or trusts such a bully and immoral being as the typical mono-theistic god.

mugger: "Officer I told them to give me their money or their life , well they chose their lfie.
I gave them a choice, honestly i did."

Office: "yep your right. free to go."

 

[ranma1/2]

That's absurd. :giggling:

IF you accept Allah to be a real being, you'd also believe in heaven and hell as being a reward/punishment to the believers/unbelievers respectively.

The question I'd like to ask you is, having acknowledged that there is a superior being, one that will punish you with hell-fire for going against his commandments, don't you think it'd be rather dumb to then go against this being? :rollseyes

why would he have to accept that? perhaps allah lied? perhaps its been misqouted, its clear that the god does not want to take part in this life.

 

[Muezzin]

thats pretty much why you cant "prove" anything.

You could easily be the dream of the third snail from the right.

But alas science does not deal with proof.
Instead it deals with evidence.

Science deals with evidence, and deals in logic. Faith by its very nature must trancend logic.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

What I'm confused about is, if he acknowledges that a being called Allah exists, as described in the Islamic teachings, then why would he be silly enough to utter disrespectful things against him?.

ask iblis, his the only other one i know stupid enough to do it !

 

[Latifa1985]

ignoring the first statement due to its complete lack of evidence.

Does god send rain down? Nope. We have that explained through the water cycle.

Does god turn day into night?
Nope, the rotation of the earth does that.
"hmmm you would think something as scientificly accurate as the quran wouldhave gotten that right."


do i sleep ? yep, do i go to the banjo, yep. And yes i was born? whats your point? youve assigned some arbitrary quality to your god with out any evidence. Heck to me god is a 6 foot redhead with a nice head on her shoulders and a sense of humor. And i know those exists. But wait you know what your god is becuase your book tells you and the book was written by god so thats what god is. And god wouldnt lie, unless of course he does.

And as you and others often say, everything has to have maker right? so what made god? oh everything except him.. gotcha... he always existed.....

Hi,

After reading your interesting questions on my mind came a proverb that "atheist wishes they are wrong after they die".. I wonder what agnostic will feel..