America , we feel ur pain , do u feel ours ?

[Muslim Woman]

I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)

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yak , i wanted to write the following reply but accidently deleted the original post.

Mod , anything u can do ?

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Salaam/peace ,


---opppsss , someone is objecting against peace greetings but i want to continue , pl. don't object or just overlook ......easy solution :giggling:

so what is this thread about again????? Some Muslims feel the pain of america, but yet feel an injustice that America apparently doesnt give as much coverage to them?

--almost got the point :thumbs_up

may be reading few lines of the 1st post will help u to understand fully

....While mournig over 32 deaths , do u think Americans should also remember those who are dying daily for /under their occupation ? Or is it mean to ask them to do so ?

......Think about it one last time. Thirty different Virginia Tech size shootings in one day. Day after day.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/imagine-if-the-virginia-t_b_46134.html


---u may also add these while understanding the purpose of the thread :

say if any Iraqi asks u , how more innocent people including kids should die in Iraq to get the same media coverage like VT tragedy ..... What will be ur answer ?



While mourning over 31 or 32 dead persons , how many Americans thought of the pain of Iraqi people who lost .......only God knows how many actually died there , we can guess :

Number Of Iraqi Civilians Slaughtered In America's War On Iraq - At Least 655,000 + +

http://tinyurl.com/usq4x


How many Americans while feeling pain & sorrow for Iraqi people also thought '' we are not doing anything/much to stop the war '' ? Only feel pain of others is not enough , we must do something etc , etc.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Mashaallah good post sister
this is so true. When they talk about Iraq, all they do is speak of numbers and body counts, when it happens at home, they show pictures, mourning families, broken dreams. Media isn't balanced.

 

[Muslim Woman]

.....When they talk about Iraq, all they do is speak of numbers and body counts, when it happens at home, they show pictures, mourning families, broken dreams.

--a very good point. Yes , when media will understand that the dead Iraqi people are not numbers only but they are human being ?

Media isn't balanced.

--media is religiously biased. There is a good joke in joke section on US media reportining. Really funny & pathetic ,too.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;


A Hierarchy of Death



By Roy Greenslade

Why do 32 deaths in Virginia receive blanket coverage while nearly 200 fatalities in Iraq are barely reported?


replies:

Human Souls have different rates/values in the Wester Free Media Market...


We all know by now that humans' souls in the Western Media Free Markets have different Rates or Values. The coverage depends on which souls we're talking...



An American Soul or an Israeli Soul or a British or a French or a Canadian soul or a Swiss Soul have always been of a higher "value" than any other useless Third World human soul hence the degree of coverage by the Western "Free" Media...


http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/1235/2/#jc_allComments

 

[Joe98]

……..do u think Americans should also remember those who are dying daily for /under their occupation ?

When a US soldier shoots an innocent, all America feels bad.

When a US soldier shoots a bomber who has just killed 100 Iraqi women and children, America rejoices.

When Sunni and Shiia kill each other by the hundreds, it’s not the fault of Americans!

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[Keltoi]

When you say "ours" what do you mean? Muslims? If I'm not mistaken one or two of the victims at Virginia Tech were Muslims. Do you mean "our" pain referring to Arabs? Same story as the first. When terrorists blow up 100 innocent people in an Iraqi marketplace everyone feels disgust and sorrow for those whose lives are destroyed because of it. Americans have a hard time understanding the senseless slaughter of innocent Iraqis by other Iraqis and outside groups, and we have an even harder time understanding senseless violence in our own backyard, especially a school.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Actually if you take a step back from the whole situation and look at history you will find that American governmental and military agency's have influenced the political landscape tremendously and have even encouraged the sunni-shia split to come to this point. They set up a shia-puppet-government in Iran and a sunni-puppet-government in Iraq. They provide both with weapons and dreams of power. And let nature take it course. It's not divide and conquer, but more like devide and take the oil trough the back door while everybody's looking at (or for) the WMD's.

So did "the Americans" provide that idiot with a bomb and told 'm to push the button on a market? No they didn't.
Can they wash their hands in innocence and claim to have no involvement? not quite either. They probably didn't expect it to escalate to this point, I'll grant you that, but there was malevolence involved at some time.

 

[Keltoi]

Actually if you take a step back from the whole situation and look at history you will find that American governmental and military agency's have influenced the political landscape tremendously and have even encouraged the sunni-shia split to come to this point. They set up a shia-puppet-government in Iran and a sunni-puppet-government in Iraq. They provide both with weapons and dreams of power. And let nature take it course. It's not divide and conquer, but more like devide and take the oil trough the back door while everybody's looking at (or for) the WMD's.

So did "the Americans" provide that idiot with a bomb and told 'm to push the button on a market? No they didn't.
Can they wash their hands in innocence and claim to have no involvement? not quite either. They probably didn't expect it to escalate to this point, I'll grant you that, but there was malevolence involved at some time.

This conspiracy might actually make sense if any oil was actually being shipped to the U.S. out of Iraq, which it isn't. Not to mention that it has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

LOL, I c what you did there, you took my "take trough the back door" as literal whereas I meant it metaphorically. It's not a conspiracy theory when the things I'm saying is public knowledge and well documented.

 

[Keltoi]

LOL, I c what you did there, you took my "take trough the back door" as literal whereas I meant it metaphorically. It's not a conspiracy theory when the things I'm saying is public knowledge and well documented.

What is well documented? Oil, which is always a factor in foreign policy for every country, has little to nothing to do with the situation we find ourselves in now. Like I said though, this has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

What is well documented? Oil, which is always a factor in foreign policy for every country, has little to nothing to do with the situation we find ourselves in now. Like I said though, this has nothing to do with the topic.

Yes it's off topic, my apologies. If you didn't want me to answer it here then maybe you shouldn't have asked in the first place.
As for documented, it refered to almost everything I said about the political influence. I've done my homework, have you done yours?

 

[Keltoi]

Yes it's off topic, my apologies. If you didn't want me to answer it here then maybe you shouldn't have asked in the first place.
As for documented, it refered to almost everything I said about the political influence. I've done my homework, have you done yours?

Your "homework" is the Google search engine? Okay. Anyway, back on topic.

 

[.:Umniyah:.]

When you say "ours" what do you mean? Muslims? If I'm not mistaken one or two of the victims at Virginia Tech were Muslims. Do you mean "our" pain referring to Arabs? Same story as the first. When terrorists blow up 100 innocent people in an Iraqi marketplace everyone feels disgust and sorrow for those whose lives are destroyed because of it. Americans have a hard time understanding the senseless slaughter of innocent Iraqis by other Iraqis and outside groups, and we have an even harder time understanding senseless violence in our own backyard, especially a school.

When it says "ours" it quit obviously mean the bled shed going on amongst WHOEVER lives in Iraq and goes thru it. Rather it be Muslim christian or jew. Rather it be Arab, chinese, or American. WHOEVER. Just as how everyone in america isnt american, nor is everyone one religion its the same thing everywhere else in the world. So dont try to be so technical. Thats half the problem with people now a days, they pay such GREAT attention to foolish details which concerns nothing at all. Try paying attention to the BIGGER picture, instead of taking words and trying to make them fit the bill. Its clear english and an even clearer concept. IM MUSLIM. IM AMERICAN. now tell me which pain should i feel? tell me which "our" could possibly apply to me? Which side could i possibly take? Which BACKYARD belongs to me and the likes of me??? Since foolish technicalities seems to be prevalent now a days.

AND PLEASE! America hasnt had a hard time understand didly swat , they UNDERSTAND PERFECTLY! HOWWWWWWWWW SUCH THINGS ARE POSSIBLE! Dont try to so easily wash the blood off of their oh so BLOOD stained hands, CORRUPT FROM the flithy core and covered in shameless sin. A goverment who shall burn in the deepest walls of hell if not guided by Allah before they die. YOu want to talk about disgusted? LOOK in your own backyard, STUDY YOUR OWN BACKYARD...or should i say OUR backyard seeing how AMERICAN i so unproudly happen to be. HOw easily they destort the truth and bury their crimes beneath the belt of innocent minds. HOw DISGUSTING a country who makes its own laws and try to run the rest of the world by the own laws and thought pattern because they feel like it.

IM AMAZED that this "murder" was only called SUCH. how sly this flithy country really is. Because he was KOREAN and not ARAB or MIDDLE EASTERN he was labeled and MURDER! excuse me , but does ANYONE know CHOY THE MURDER's religion? NO! no one does. BECAUSE WHY? BECAUSE HE WASNT MUSLIM....so CHOY is merely a MURDER, NOT A TERRIOST! like any middle easterner who would have done the same would have been.

So yeah keep trying to figure out the crimes of the innocent, and beware of the one who runs his mouth from everything he HEARS!

Praise Be to Allah Lord of the Aalamin, The bestower of light and mercy, The Forgiver THE ONE! And may the Salaat and Salaams be upon The prophet Muhammad!!

 

[Keltoi]

When it says "ours" it quit obviously mean the bled shed going on amongst WHOEVER lives in Iraq and goes thru it. Rather it be Muslim christian or jew. Rather it be Arab, chinese, or American. WHOEVER. Just as how everyone in america isnt american, nor is everyone one religion its the same thing everywhere else in the world. So dont try to be so technical. Thats half the problem with people now a days, they pay such GREAT attention to foolish details which concerns nothing at all. Try paying attention to the BIGGER picture, instead of taking words and trying to make them fit the bill. Its clear english and an even clearer concept. IM MUSLIM. IM AMERICAN. now tell me which pain should i feel? tell me which "our" could possibly apply to me? Which side could i possibly take? Which BACKYARD belongs to me and the likes of me??? Since foolish technicalities seems to be prevalent now a days.

AND PLEASE! America hasnt had a hard time understand didly swat , they UNDERSTAND PERFECTLY! HOWWWWWWWWW SUCH THINGS ARE POSSIBLE! Dont try to so easily wash the blood off of their oh so BLOOD stained hands, CORRUPT FROM the flithy core and covered in shameless sin. A goverment who shall burn in the deepest walls of hell if not guided by Allah before they die. YOu want to talk about disgusted? LOOK in your own backyard, STUDY YOUR OWN BACKYARD...or should i say OUR backyard seeing how AMERICAN i so unproudly happen to be. HOw easily they destort the truth and bury their crimes beneath the belt of innocent minds. HOw DISGUSTING a country who makes its own laws and try to run the rest of the world by the own laws and thought pattern because they feel like it.

IM AMAZED that this "murder" was only called SUCH. how sly this flithy country really is. Because he was KOREAN and not ARAB or MIDDLE EASTERN he was labeled and MURDER! excuse me , but does ANYONE know CHOY THE MURDER's religion? NO! no one does. BECAUSE WHY? BECAUSE HE WASNT MUSLIM....so CHOY is merely a MURDER, NOT A TERRIOST! like any middle easterner who would have done the same would have been.

So yeah keep trying to figure out the crimes of the innocent, and beware of the one who runs his mouth from everything he HEARS!

Praise Be to Allah Lord of the Aalamin, The bestower of light and mercy, The Forgiver THE ONE! And may the Salaat and Salaams be upon The prophet Muhammad!!

Well well. Quite a little tirade there. First of all, you used the word "our" not me, so you are the one who turned into "us" and "them" so to speak. As for the rest of this hateful post, it isn't worth responding to.

 

[.:Umniyah:.]

Well well. Quite a little tirade there. First of all, you used the word "our" not me, so you are the one who turned into "us" and "them" so to speak. As for the rest of this hateful post, it isn't worth responding to.

which is what most americans do when the tables are turned, its okay to say the world against anyone else, and any other country but whenever someone turns the tables, no one wants to speak and address it. Thats right follow the root of your leder " God bless america"...oh yeah tell us bush.

and as for trying to undermind me, you can save it, dont repsond because you have nothing to say, which is the case often with your kind, your whole theory is just "believe" anyway isnt it? dont put your foot in a door which swings both ways, your bound to get hit on the way out. IM content with my life, i have no hate against ANYONE or ANYthing, lifes too short and my prays arent long enough to feel i have time for such foolishness. I have a goal, and its not this. My Lord set me on this earth for a purpose, and thats to serve him, which i intend to do. But every now and then i must speak out on such rubbish and set the record.

Call it hate. But its actually called speaking the truth, take or leave it my dear.

 

[Keltoi]

which is what most americans do when the tables are turned, its okay to say the world against anyone else, and any other country but whenever someone turns the tables, no one wants to speak and address it. Thats right follow the root of your leder " God bless america"...oh yeah tell us bush.

and as for trying to undermind me, you can save it, dont repsond because you have nothing to say, which is the case often with your kind, your whole theory is just "believe" anyway isnt it? dont put your foot in a door which swings both ways, your bound to get hit on the way out. IM content with my life, i have no hate against ANYONE or ANYthing, lifes too short and my prays arent long enough to feel i have time for such foolishness. I have a goal, and its not this. My Lord set me on this earth for a purpose, and thats to serve him, which i intend to do. But every now and then i must speak out on such rubbish and set the record.

Call it hate. But its actually called speaking the truth, take or leave it my dear.

My "kind"? Please, you are entitled to your opinion, regardless of what I think about it. I'm not sure what "tables" you are trying to turn though. I can feel bad about 32 college kids dying and still feel bad about Iraqis butchering each other every day. If you want to start a thread about how much you hate Bush and Americans, fine, do it somewhere else. However, there is no reason to bring 32 dead college kids into your political theater.

 

[.:Umniyah:.]

My "kind"? Please, you are entitled to your opinion, regardless of what I think about it. I'm not sure what "tables" you are trying to turn though. I can feel bad about 32 college kids dying and still feel bad about Iraqis butchering each other every day. If you want to start a thread about how much you hate Bush and Americans, fine, do it somewhere else. However, there is no reason to bring 32 dead college kids into your political theater.

1st of all keltoi im very aware of what i can and cant do, thanks for the reminder though. and secondly, know that i have no need to hat Bush nor americans, if you take the time and read up I AM american. I would BE the same thing im speaking agaisnt if i ever thought that the whole of america deserved to be hated or disliked or whatever, understand correctly. I feel sorry for ANY race, religion, color, naitoinalty, or WHATEVER of people who die in the name of nothing, no one cares who they were or where they lived, that doesnt make any difference in the way they were killed, so its sad anywhere in the world. But what irritates me , is how you continou to say " iraqis killing iraqis" just because thats all the media chosing to show you or tell you doesnt mean thats the case. The absence of evidence is the evidence of absence. IF it were soley the case that Iraqis and killing themselves then american soliders would have no need to be over there. Funny how they werent "killing" themsleves beforehand.

So in the end my problem is how brianwashed people seem to be, and how no one even took notice how easily they brushed "choy" off as a murder rather than terriost and how never once did his religion come in to play, and how they so QUICKLY went right into he had some sort of mental disorder, or was DEPRESSED. So, dont mix around my words, no one is saying that i dont care about the 31 students killed ( and yes 31 because choy was the 32nd person) because thats untrue. But the original poster only posted something to show how the people in iraq feel that way EVERY moment of their lives since america decided to be so "helpful" im sorry but the last time i checked, when a people says they dont want your help, you should kind of not give it.

and regrdeless of what you and i think, their reality stands, and the same anger and sadness the families of those 31 victims feel, is how iraqis feel against america for raping and killing their people , just because they can.

And ive failed to see the objective of them even being over there, originally it was for some weapons of massive destruction, then it was for Usama bin laden, then it was for Saddam Hussein...6 years later and neither of the 3 turn up EXCEPT saddam whom was hung....so no whats the story? one mintue usama is dead, the next he isnt,the next he is, the next he isnt? What kind of joke is this?

but nonetheless this is Goodnight because it is late. To you be your way and to me be mine.

 

[shible]

A real good Post


Masha Allah

 

[guyabano]

I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

....

hmmmm, imagine 30 times bigger...hmm.. ya know, there come the Twin Towers in USA to my mind. All what I saw on Al Jazeera were people in Bagdad cheering on the streets for the thousands, who have been killed. Is that the way, 'YOU' feel the pain ? oh well...

 

[Knahlidge]

As Salaamu Alaikum Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu to my Ummah! Greetings to All others. Alright, I have "Carefully" read through each reply and have come to the conclusion that this recent WAKE UP CALL for our Nation has jarred many emotions on EVERY SCALE. What perplexes me however since the day this senselessness happened is "WHY" this tragedy has been used and "Clearly Manipulated" to give voice to the undercurrents of the "Religious Unrest" in this Country. Let us FOCUS on the FACTS shall we?

FACT 1. Mr. Cho had "personal issues" he decided to "unload" (no pun intended) on anyone in his path being too much of a COWARD to go by himself.

FACT 2. The WORST FACT of ALL.....His parents DESPERATELY tried to check him into a facility for help. They were involved they saw the signs and DID NOT just LET this happen. The "Doctors" signed him out against the PLEAS of his parents and NUMEROUS recommendations for psychiatric help from the counselors and even complaints from some of the parents of the late students and a teacher. Please let us also remember the shooters parent who "desperately" tried to save their son and "prevent" harm to himself and others.

Cause: DWINDLING Governmental Morality. Effect: Catastrophic LOSS OF LIFE and atrocities of monstrous proportions in EVERY city and EVERY "Occupied" Country.REGARDLESS of their choice of Faith.Walallahu Alim (And ALLAH knows Best!) "EARTH! I Feel YOUR pain...Do you feel MINE?"
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