Not at all. I respect most of them. Rarely have I met a wealthy person, and I have worked with many, who was not intelligent and hard working.
subjective and irrelevant!
I don't believe, though, that because they are rich that their children inherently deserve a better education than my children. Nor do I believe the answer to the American education system is to have everyone go to private schools where the main factor in the quality of education would be the income of your parents.
It isn't your call to say where folks should send their kids.. just because you feel your kids are suited for a public education doesn't mean folks should share your views.. further, I'd say there was no equality if it were an exclusive club to folks of certain status quo.. It isn't and I have shown that!
If you want to institute that system then you might as well bring back titles of nobility too.
I don't see what a good education has to do with titles and nobility.. a good education is the only thing folks can't strip you of and there is no substitute for it no matter how petty your attempts..
How are the odds against those who go to public schools? Do you want the resumes of the many successful friends I went to high school with? Do you want the vice president of Chase Banks, or the television director who works for HBO and NBC? Maybe the one who has his own company in Silicon Valley? And that is just a few from my graduating class in a school in the suburbs of Houston.
I told you, your subjective views and circle of friends are irrelevant .. I am glad it is working out for you, you should be voicing these concerns about the public education system to them not on an Islamic forum!
The facts prove your opinion wrong. The only thing holding most public school graduates back are themselves and their parents. That is not to say that there cannot be improvements made in the system.
You haven't shown me any facts.. you speak of your resume and your alleged successful friends, as far as I am concerned you can be trailer park trash with a computer.. the net does afford one a certain level of anonymity.. Today you are a member of NASA and tomorrow a neurosurgeon at John's Hopkins...
You are doing two things wrong here. For one you are generalizing the minority as the majority, and for two you are confusing cause and effect.
No.. what I am doing here is urging folks to invest in their kids future by providing them the proper channels early on!
The facts are that most teenagers do not get pregnant, most do not drop out (in Texas I believe the numbers are less than 3%), and I do not know any schools locally that have the students go through metal detectors. You are making broad generalizations based on the minority, and you should know the fallacy in that.
CBS) A report released Tuesday on teenage pregnancy brought troubling news. After a long decline,
teenage pregnancies are back on the rise.
CBS News correspondent Cynthia Bowers has more.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/26/eveningnews/main6144496.shtml
High School Dropout Crisis Threatens U.S. Economic Growth and Competiveness, Witnesses Tell House Panel
Nationwide, 7,000 students drop out every day and only about 70 percent of students graduate from high school with a regular high school diploma. Two thousand high schools in the U.S. produce more than half of all dropouts and a recent study suggests that in the 50 largest cities, only 53 percent of students graduate on time
http://edlabor.house.gov/newsroom/2009/05/high-school-dropout-crisis-thr.shtml
time and again facts prove you and your circle of friends wrong, so perhaps you can drop your pearls on willing ears? I don't even know why my desire to get Muslims the best education possible irks you so?
if you are proud of your and your kids public school education and see this moving in the right direction then honestly one post would have sufficed you!
Don't get your information about what public schools are like from movies like "Dangerous Minds" and "Lean on Me".
The above Gov. sources!
I don't have time to watch movies so I have no idea what you are talking about even.
Don't confuse the cause and effect here either. Many of the children that graduate from private school and succeed would also succeed if they graduated from public schools. It was not the schools that made them successful, but the parents that put them into those schools. The same goes with any child. I know my child will be as successful as I prepare him to be, no matter what school he attends. Parents that don't care most likely aren't going to teach their children to care, and they certainly won't care enough to send them to private schools.
I have stated in my earlier post that more than one factor goes into success.. one of them being providing the best possible education. Unfortunately the best possible education isn't attained in public schools!
Sure, the drop out rates and pregnancies are less at private schools, but how much of that has to do with the schools and how much with the parents? After all, private school students still drop out, get pregnant and violence is still happens.
Haven't seen one case in the private school I attended.. and frankly that later part has to do with religious education, which again another little morsel the west would like to do without!
A good education for everyone is not unrealistic. As you said, those that don't try don't accomplish anything.
Indeed.. It is the job of the parent to provide at least one proper mean although I personally think they should provide every mean!
What do you base this on? The US spends a much higher proportion of their GDP on public education that Egypt does (although that admittedly is not the major indicator of quality).
While the U.S. spent the most in absolute dollars, it ranked tenth in education spending as a percent of GDP at 4.8 percent. Saudi Arabia ranked first investing 9.5 percent of GDP in education. The top five include Norway, Malaysia, France and South Africa. All five countries spent in excess of 5 percent of GDP on education. The United Arab Emirates came in 29th at 1.9 percent of GDP.
http://www.oclc.org/reports/escan/economic/educationlibraryspending.htm
Those who come to the U.S from abroad always fare better than the natives:
Middle Eastern immigrants were highly educated, with 49 percent holding at least a bachelor's degree, compared to 28 percent of natives.
Median earnings for Middle Eastern men were $39,000 a year compared to $38,000 for native workers.
they tend to be better-educated than native U.S. residents — about half hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 28 percent of natives. They also perform as well economically as natives — 30- and 40-year-old Middle Eastern males with a college education have the same median income as natives, and Middle East immigrants are more likely be self-employed.
Middle Eastern Immigrants in U.S. Educated, Prosperous, Study Says
Gannett News Service, August 15, 2002
(Also ran in Arizona Republic - 8/15)
WASHINGTON — Middle Eastern immigrants in the United States are well educated, earn more money than most Americans and are predominantly Muslim, according to a report released Wednesday.
They also are among the nation's fastest-growing immigrant groups, according to the report issued by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, a think tank that supports reducing the number of immigrants to the United States.
The report says the number of Middle Eastern immigrants increased from fewer than 200,000 in 1970 to almost 1.5 million in 2000. The overall number of foreign-born residents in the United States tripled to 31 million over the same period.
The report offers a rare portrait of an immigrant group that has received intense scrutiny and negative publicity since the Sept. 11 attacks.
Project MAPS, a survey of "Muslims in the American Public Square" conducted in 2001-2002 by researchers at Georgetown University, found that 86 percent of all Muslim professionals were concentrated in three careers: engineering, computer science, and medicine. Law, law enforcement, and politics accounted for a minuscule 0.6 percent. American Muslims, some demographers say, have also been voting well below their numbers in the population -- registering to vote at only half the national rate, according to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey [PDF], a project of the Graduate Center of the City University of New York. "If they ever did play to their weight" in the electoral arena and in Washington, Muslims "would be a much more considerable force in public policy-making," says Steve Clemons, a Democrat who directs the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation in Washington.
http://www.wilsoncenter.org/topics/p...ab_America.pdf
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/mideastcoverage.html
I ask this as you have admitted to not knowing anyone that has attended a public school.
see previous replies!
If you look at the numbers the levels of crime have been declining for the past 17 years. The economy always goes through cycles (remember 1987 anyone? Remember the Bush recession and no new taxes?). I remember it being much much worse in the late 70's than it is now and that was followed by a decade of great optimism. Things are not as bleak as you would think.
You must live in an alternate universe and frankly I am happy for you.. I am happy things are bright.. again, I remind you, I am aiming this at Muslims.. to invest in their kids education by all means possible.. you and your friends are free to the public education system and I wish you the best of luck with that..
