Answering Christianty

[john316]

So basically 98% of Christians for the first 1500 years were in error in your view, correct?

They will be judged by the witness of creation, conscience and reason. If they are truly seeking God, He can reveal Himself to them. See Acts 10 and Acts 16. God as a general rule uses literature, preaching, etc to reach people with the Gospel but He is by no means limited to these means.(Psalm 19:1-3, Romans 1:18-31). The issue is not with skin, the issue is with sin. God is no respector of persons. Lied stolen, blasphemed, never always put God first then yes they are all subject to an eternity in hellfire.

 

[*Hana*]

John:

FYI: The 5 daily prayers, paying Zakat, Fasting during the holy month of Ramadan, are 3 of the 5 pillars of Islam. And is ordained for all Muslims. Good deeds are something totally different. Unless you consider attending church and worshiping God a good deed rather than something ordained for you?

Just to remind you that the Catholics were some of the first followers of Christ and Protestants came later....Born Agains, Mormons, etc., MUCH MUCH later, like 1800+ years later! The Coptic Christians have been around since the life time of Jesus, pbuh, and are still around so please be careful of your choice of words.

It never fails to amaze me how some sects of Christianity claim to have found the absolute truth 1800 years AFTER Jesus, pbuh, and have no problem condemning millions and millions before them to Hell....including, I might add, the very Apostles of Jesus, pbuh.

You said you don't belong to any particular denomination?? Hmmmm, care to explain that? The church you say you attend is called the "church of no denomination"? Which version of the bible are you reading these days, maybe we can help you to determine which denomination you are following. You sound to me like to believe in the ideology of Born Again Christians.

Peace
Hana

 

[جوري]

I'm sorry to say yet again but in this paragraph you seem to have no clue what you are talking about.

I think observation of christian behavior are enough of a testament to whether or not I know what I am talking about!
Either way, I don't see why it matters?

So which is why I have this long post which is comprehensive enough to eliminate some misconceptions of our faith in Christ.

I am going to level with you, I don't read them, I am already done with my bible study days, the passages mean very little to me. Something has come along to abrogate them.... Do you waste your days reflecting over Balaam בִּלְעָם the prophet from the Torah? I think not, I believe you have found a God in Jesus and he occupies your time so that you are not dwelling much in the old T.. try to carry that abstraction over.. I have found all I need in the Quran...

And at the end of it I would like to supplement you with a youtube video about a missionary named Paul Washer who preached at a conference in the United States. Please got thru this and then you will have an idea of what I believe or what genuine faith in Christ really means.

what is your hope out of that shenanigan? that I am going to suddenly agree with you that Jesus is God?

I AS A CHRISTIAN ATTEST THAT I AM SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH ALONE IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. AND FAITH IS PROCEEDED OR FOLLOWED BY REPENTANCE-A COMPLETE TURNING AWAY FROM SIN AND TURNING TO A HOLY GOD.

Good for you, and I wish you happiness and contentment on the path of your choice..

peace

 

[john316]

I think observation of christian behavior are enough of a testament to whether or not I know what I am talking about!
Either way, I don't see why it matters?

I couldn agree with you any better.


Matthew 10:32-33
32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

I can confess Jesus with my mouth but if I deny him with my actions. Then I dont consider myself to be his disciple.

 

[جوري]

I couldn agree with you any better.
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Great..
I am guessing this topic has reached the end of its value...

peace!

 

[john316]

Great..
I am guessing this topic has reached the end of its value...

peace!

Might I ask why are you a Muslim

 

[جوري]

Might I ask why are you a Muslim

Because I want to be!

peace

 

[john316]

Because I want to be!

peace

i dont think you've answered my question. I suspect you are hiding something from me.

 

[snakelegs]

i dont think you've answered my question. I suspect you are hiding something from me.

good one!!!! what could be more clear?

 

[thirdwatch512]

i dont think you've answered my question. I suspect you are hiding something from me.

LOL john316, get to know people on this forum a litttttlllleee longer before jumping to such conclusions

 

[جوري]

i dont think you've answered my question. I suspect you are hiding something from me.

Actually I did... I tend to give general answers to canvassers, that is, if I am being generous, most of the time I don't entertain folly!

peace

 

[john316]

reguarding Isaiah 42:8 consider this cross reference in Isaiah 48:11

in both these references God says he will not give his glory to any graven image or any other god. God of the Bible is the true and Holy God. Jesus, the holy one, is the image of the invisible God.(Col. 1:15)
He lived a human life and did not sin. God did not sin. Jesus did not profane God's holy name. As a man on earth he did not do his manly will but God's will.

 

[جوري]

you know I am starting to worry about you..
People suffering from disorganized schizophrenia, often are superficial and have an obsession with religion and philosophy that deters them from approaching life with other than a telescopic view.. they can't discuss their beliefs with any sort of dexterity so they rely on quotes, hoping the reader will decipher what he may. And tend to suffer cognitive conservatism.
There is no rational to what you are doing here.. You are not even charming about it.

I am not sure of the relevance of your quotes and questionnaire so unless you have a direction to this, an interfaith growth type thing, I am afraid you won't get very far.


cheers

 

[MartyrX]

i dont think you've answered my question. I suspect you are hiding something from me.

:lol: Wow what nerve.

 

[john316]

you know I am starting to worry about you..
People suffering from disorganized schizophrenia, often are superficial and have an obsession with religion and philosophy that deters them from approaching life with other than a telescopic view.. they can't discuss their beliefs with any sort of dexterity so they rely on quotes, hoping the reader will decipher what he may. And tend to suffer cognitive conservatism.
There is no rational to what you are doing here.. You are not even charming about it.

I am not sure of the relevance of your quotes and questionnaire so unless you have a direction to this, an interfaith growth type thing, I am afraid you won't get very far.


cheers

well i'm basically here to show you what i believe and share my perspective on things. and defend my stand. I also want know about your faith which is also one of the main reasons why I joined this forum. So in short I am basically trying to think the way you guys think.

 

[*Hana*]

well i'm basically here to show you what i believe and share my perspective on things. and defend my stand. I also want know about your faith which is also one of the main reasons why I joined this forum. So in short I am basically trying to think the way you guys think.

So, where do you suppose it all went wrong?

All I've seen you do is post verses with no rhyme nor reason. If you want to share and learn then you have to first learn how to discuss using your own mind and thoughts.

If you want to know our belief on a particular subject, simply ask. But, don't post a novel of verses and expect a response. Just talk (type), simple.

Hana

 

[john316]

So, where do you suppose it all went wrong?

All I've seen you do is post verses with no rhyme nor reason. If you want to share and learn then you have to first learn how to discuss using your own mind and thoughts.

If you want to know our belief on a particular subject, simply ask. But, don't post a novel of verses and expect a response. Just talk (type), simple.

Hana

Well if in case you didnt know I have been doing that. for the past couple of days. I started a new subject yesterday and I wanted a Muslim perpective. In any case this is a refutation section. So my position over here is to defend. I dont know but I think PurestAmbrosa or whoever it may be posted a testimony of a Muslim who converted from Chrsitianity. It was a long post. And in that I saw a few refrences that go out of context and lessen the diety of Christ. So I just wanted to correct those arguments biblically. I dont see what wrong I am doing here.

 

[جوري]

Well if in case you didnt know I have been doing that. for the past couple of days.

I don't think that is what you were doing..

I started a new subject yesterday and I wanted a Muslim perpective.

Bur you really don't... you want to commandeer every topic so you may show people the 'error of their ways' neglecting your own error in the process, which many have been pointing out to you

In any case this is a refutation section. So my position over here is to defend.

You should read then about the section before posting

• Refutations Here you can post allegations leveled against Islam and discuss them. Decent refutals/rebuttals are published on the website. Articles produced by prominent Muslim debaters are welcome

I dont know but I think PurestAmbrosa or whoever it may be posted a testimony of a Muslim who converted from Chrsitianity.

Yes it was me..

It was a long post. And in that I saw a few refrences that go out of context and lessen the diety of Christ. So I just wanted to correct those arguments biblically. I dont see what wrong I am doing here.

You didn't correct by way of cutting passages that have no relevance to the topic. You can't correct another person's point of view.. what are you basing it on, obviousely not everyone thinks along the same tracts you do? I see that even other christians on board don't agree with you, I'll reference you to http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...uesting-answers-christians-72.html#post905376

Why not start correcting the error of your christian brethrens before tackling those who left all that confusion behind for Islam?
peace!

 

[john316]

I don't think that is what you were doing..

Bur you really don't... you want to commandeer every topic so you may show people the 'error of their ways' neglecting your own error in the process, which many have been pointing out to you

You should read then about the section before posting

• Refutations Here you can post allegations leveled against Islam and discuss them. Decent refutals/rebuttals are published on the website. Articles produced by prominent Muslim debaters are welcome

Yes it was me..


You didn't correct by way of cutting passages that have no relevance to the topic. You can't correct another person's point of view.. what are you basing it on, obviousely not everyone thinks along the same tracts you do? I see that even other christians on board don't agree with you, I'll reference you to http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...uesting-answers-christians-72.html#post905376

Why not start correcting the error of your christian brethrens before tackling those who left all that confusion behind for Islam?
peace!

Which is what I feel I did. The Bible tells me to correct the fault of my brethren if he errs from the truth. If I err from the truth I deserve rebuke. In love we will correct them in rebuke. If they dont hearken then we will treat them as any other pagan.

Well I'm sorry if I did not hearken to your rules. It was an honest mistake from me, I confess. In any case I want to question. I posted an article which was against Christianity which is much to the benifit for you guys. So what I did was breaking the rule or being generous to you guys. If a criminal breaks the law, and the law maker has to punish him, if he forgives him, would that be slated as generosity or unfair treatment?

If dont persons point of veiw goes against my point of veiw. then either I'm wrong or he's wrong. So dont I have every right to back up my stand with reason and justify my belief.
I will not say I am right all the time and everyone else's belief is wrong. I make mistakes, I screw up sometimes too. But just because that person gives his point of veiw does that mean his point of veiw is correct only?

 

[جوري]

Which is what I feel I did. The Bible tells me to correct the fault of my brethren if he errs from the truth. If I err from the truth I deserve rebuke. In love we will correct them in rebuke. If they dont hearken then we will treat them as any other pagan.

You do that then... treat them as pagans because I don't see them conforming to your thought process any time soon

peace