Anti-gay bullying books withdrawn

[MTAFFI]

The agenda here was not to pursue some sinister 'pro' gay agenda but to combat homophobic bullying. How well the material actually succeeded, or how inappropriate it may have in fact been, I can't comment on as (just like you) I haven't seen it. However, the simple fact is that 'playground' education on any subject sex related - in the UK at least - is years in advance of 'classroom' education. If you don't get the message across when they are young it will be too late to shift the attitudes already there. The message here is that it is wrong to bully or abuse gay people (or in the case of kids people including other kids they think might be gay, which is NOT always the same thing), not to 'promote' homosexuality.

why is it not OK to bully or abuse gay people for being gay?

 

[Amadeus85]

why is it not OK to bully or abuse gay people for being gay?

You think that it is ok to do that?

 

[Keltoi]

Sometimes what is meant to be a positive step can turn into a negative depending upon how it is carried out. I think most of us would agree that bullying and assault upon anyone, regardless of their race, religion, or sexual orientation is something our children should be taught to avoid. However, "educating" 7 year olds about homosexual lifestyles probably isn't necessary....at least wait until their high school years.

 

[Pygoscelis]

If seven year olds are ready for the story of two men getting bent, then they are ready for quantum physics and natural philosophy..

Yes, and three dimensional calculus too. I was teaching my 7 year old just today how to calculate saddle points.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Its one of the good point of appearance of muslim immigrant in western Europe. They can help to stop the gay propaganda.

I suspect they will prompt exactly the opposite though.

Ever since 9/11 and Islam hitting the news (I can honestly say that many of us where I'm at knew nothing at all about islam before that) anti-religious sentiment has been growing rapidly. And there is little secular reasoning to be anti-homosexual. Like it or not, homosexuality is already becoming accepted and will be as accepted as mixed race couples a decade from now.

 

[Trumble]

why is it not OK to bully or abuse gay people for being gay?

I'm afraid the very fact you asked that question indicates that I will never be able to provide you with an answer that will satisfy you. I will, however, try.

For the same reason it is not OK to bully people because they happen to be black, white, any other colour, Jewish, Christian, muslim, disabled (physically or mentally), men, women, intelligent, rather less intelligent, support City not United, or just about anything else you can think of.

Or, in short, because they are human beings, just like you.

 

[Amadeus85]

I suspect they will prompt exactly the opposite though.

Ever since 9/11 and Islam hitting the news (I can honestly say that many of us where I'm at knew nothing at all about islam before that) anti-religious sentiment has been growing rapidly. And there is little secular reasoning to be anti-homosexual. Like it or not, homosexuality is already becoming accepted and will be as accepted as mixed race couples a decade from now.

You suspect that Europe will be secular forever, but this continent may be very different in next 40 years, and acceptance of sexual deviance might not be as wide as now.

 

[Muezzin]

Yes, and three dimensional calculus too. I was teaching my 7 year old just today how to calculate saddle points.

You haven't given him or her the 'birds and the bees' talk yet, though, right?

Homosexuality is kind of erm... linked.

Anyone have any extracts from these books? If it says something along the lines of 'don't bully anyone regardless of their gender, race, religion, sexuality, ice cream preference etc', then I doubt there would be much of an issue.

 

[MTAFFI]

You think that it is ok to do that?

sure i do

 

[MTAFFI]

I'm afraid the very fact you asked that question indicates that I will never be able to provide you with an answer that will satisfy you. I will, however, try.

so you were able to since my disgust with regard to the subject?

For the same reason it is not OK to bully people because they happen to be black, white, any other colour, Jewish, Christian, muslim, disabled (physically or mentally), men, women, intelligent, rather less intelligent, support City not United, or just about anything else you can think of.

The part where I disagree is bolded italics, you dont just "happen to be" gay.. It is a conscious choice in lifestyle made by an individual, I dont think it is OK to bully or make fun of someone who "happens" to be a certain way (ie race, etc) but if you choose a lifestyle that is not only immoral and disgusting but also very easily picked at and widely discouraged you shouldnt expect people to not react in one way or another. Personally I will never teach my kid not to bully a queer, I will teach her rather that it is wrong to be that way and to steer far and clear from anyone who may display such a personality

Or, in short, because they are human beings, just like you.

not just like me, they are anatomically similar, but otherwise I am nothing like a homo

 

[barney]

why is it not OK to bully or abuse gay people for being gay?

I have absolutly no idea.
This is what keeps puzzling me. I was walking along through Halifax indoor market the other day, and I saw this bloke holding hands with another.
Naturally, I, in accordance with Gods law, grabbed a wrecking bar from a road workers hut and chased after them.
Smashing it into the first ones face, i was pleased to see the abomination before Gods head burst open. Turning my attention to the other, I was aware that his vile actions, required more suffering than the first , so breaking his ribs with the first blow, i simply kicked and kicked at his head , explaining how God would judge him.

To my utter astonishment, two interfering policemen arressted me. They diddnt seem to care about Gods law, just some pansy human law.
I tell ya, I got 14 years in jail just for doing some good.
This world is going to the dogs.

Sincerely.
Barney
Wandsworth Nick.

 

[Keltoi]

While I don't accept the homosexual lifestyle as being a good thing, I would never under any circumstances condone the beating or murder of a person due to their sexual orientation. Since I'm not homosexual, I don't frequent gay bars or participate in gay parades...so my interaction with that lifestyle is obviously limited. I don't like fans of Hannah Montana either...which is why I tend not to go to her concerts or watch the Disney channel.

 

[Trumble]

so you were able to since my disgust with regard to the subject?

I'd actually call it bigotism with a religious veneer, but yes, I suppose...

The part where I disagree is bolded italics, you dont just "happen to be" gay.. It is a conscious choice in lifestyle made by an individual

Conscious choice? As is your religion. Although there is no choice regarding sexual orientation, just sexual practice.

but if you choose a lifestyle that is not only immoral and disgusting but also very easily picked at and widely discouraged you shouldnt expect people to not react in one way or another.

You mean immoral and disgusting in your opinion? Personally I think gay people have every right not to expect people to behave like moronic five year olds, but there you go.

not just like me, they are anatomically similar, but otherwise I am nothing like a homo

Unless there is something very odd about you, they are likely to be anatomically identical. A question. Who (or what) is responsible for the existence of gay people?

 

[barney]

Is Hannah Montana gay?

 

[Keltoi]

Is Hannah Montana gay?

Not that I'm aware...but her fans are annoying.

 

[glo]

You are in fine form today, Barney.

 

[barney]

A question. Who (or what) is responsible for the existence of gay people?

Gayness is Satan twisting peoples minds into vile abominations of the perfection that was intended. Thse sick warped people submit to their lust in wanton disregard to Gods commandments.
Gayness is a new phenomena and began in the west, with the destruction of Moral values as people turned away from Gods word. Nowadays gays are allowed to be protected from the rightious indignation of God fearing people , and your not even allowed to put them in Lunatic Asylums any more for being queer.

Once people accept Gods just and unconditional love for all of humanity, they wont feel the need to be sick perverted abominations who should be clubbed into extinction.


(im getting good at this)

 

[Keltoi]

Gayness is Satan twisting peoples minds into vile abominations of the perfection that was intended. Thse sick warped people submit to their lust in wanton disregard to Gods commandments.
Gayness is a new phenomena and began in the west, with the destruction of Moral values as people turned away from Gods word. Nowadays gays are allowed to be protected from the rightious indignation of God fearing people , and your not even allowed to put them in Lunatic Asylums any more for being queer.

Once people accept Gods just and unconditional love for all of humanity, they wont feel the need to be sick perverted abominations who should be clubbed into extinction.


(im getting good at this)

To be serious for a second...it is hard for people of faith to accept what we consider a seriously sinful lifestyle to be "normalized". Especially in regards to the society we want our children to be raised in. That doesn't mean violence against these people is justified, by any stretch of the imagination, but boiling it down to simple close-minded bigotry is wrong as well. I choose to ignore the gay lifestyle and I'm lucky enough to live in an area where my family isn't really exposed to it...besides on television of course. I'm not saying they shouldn't be familiar with reality...but that isn't a lifestyle I want my children to consider "normal"...because to a person of faith it is quite far from normal.

 

[barney]

To be serious for a second...it is hard for people of faith to accept what we consider a seriously sinful lifestyle to be "normalized". Especially in regards to the society we want our children to be raised in. That doesn't mean violence against these people is justified, by any stretch of the imagination, but boiling it down to simple close-minded bigotry is wrong as well. I choose to ignore the gay lifestyle and I'm lucky enough to live in an area where my family isn't really exposed to it...besides on television of course. I'm not saying they shouldn't be familiar with reality...but that isn't a lifestyle I want my children to consider "normal"...because to a person of faith it is quite far from normal.

Bah.
I had just bought a shedful of wholesale Pitchforks.

Now what am I gonna do with em?:raging:

 

[Amadeus85]

There is no question that it is highly bad to hurt or persecute gays and lesbians. They are human beings, we shoudl treat them with respect and show them kindness. It's just that gay activists(who are often different from average homoseuxals) dont make it easier to people with more traditional point of view.The thing is that gay activists are in the avangarde of every "progressive",leftist and anti christian movements in this world.They are not poor minority(at leats here in West) but they are good organizes rich organization which has millions of dollars to fight for their revolution. Because it is what they want, a social and sexual revolution, with no respect to tradition and religion.I also wonder what minorities will defend the children of nowadays gay activists.Because it is clear that these political and ideological cirlces need "opressed" minorities to defend(women,children,immigrants,).