Are cats Haraam?

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^^ dude relax man..

all i said is that allah contrats between some humans and animals in a derogatory sense... because the difference is that animals don't have intellect as humans do.

you said you're an animal.. and i suggested that's not the best thing to think of yourself as being...

where did you get the conclusion that i rendered you a disbeliever in Allah from...?
 
lolwatever said:
^^ dude relax man..

all i said is that allah contrats between some humans and animals in a derogatory sense... because the difference is that animals don't have intellect as humans do.

you said you're an animal.. and i suggested that's not the best thing to think of yourself as being...

where did you get the conclusion that i rendered you a disbeliever in Allah from...?
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A. I am a WOman.
B. We are indeed animals, like it or not.
C. No, animals do not have our level of intelligence, but are extremely intelligent-more so than people would like to believe.
 
D. You're a woman.. big deal..
E. You can label yourself an animal, don't impose the humilation on the rest of us please.
F. You contradicted yourself, if you are an animal, you should have an animal's level of intelligence :giggling:
 
I think a few things need to be kept in mind.

All that is created, was created by Allah(swt).

All of Creation has a purpose.

We are limited in knowing all things.

We may never know the purpose of some things.

All of Creation must be treated with respect and dignity.

With that said, I personaly feel that the mistreatment or misuse of anything is haraam. We have been given specific guidelines as to how certain creatures are to be treated. If we stick to the guidelines, we will have no fear of doing that which is haraam. We can love and admire all animals for what they are, Creations of Allah(swt). When we follow the guidelines, we will see what is the proper use of the gifts from Allah(swt)
 
lolwatever said:
D. You're a woman.. big deal..
E. You can label yourself an animal, don't impose the humilation on the rest of us please.
F. You contradicted yourself, if you are an animal, you should have an animal's level of intelligence :giggling:
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We ARE primates...and in Kingdom Animalia...basic biology. You seem to be the one with the "animal" intelligence level.:grumbling :
 
You can go argue with the creator of Animal's that you're no different to a donkey...

as far as our creator is concerned, we are superior to Animal's so long as we behave like human's... if biology is more important to you than the Quran... all the worst to you...

lol about me being the one with animal's intelligence level.. you might like to prove how i am so.
 
lolwatever said:
You can go argue with the creator of Animal's that you're no different to a donkey...

as far as our creator is concerned, we are superior to Animal's so long as we behave like human's... if biology is more important to you than the Quran... all the worst to you...

lol about me being the one with animal's intelligence level.. you might like to prove how i am so.
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I never said all animals are equal, but equitable. Here is a link to show that we ARE animals. http://chimpanzoo.org/taxonomy.html We are not superior, but different. We have higher levels of consciousness and intelligence and are higher on the food change, but that does not make us so much above so called animals.
 
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dude if you want to be equated to an animal... good luck enjoy..

i'm just saying don't force others around you to degrade themselves to animals... by way of labelling or otherwise...

it's pretty obvious that Islam doesn't believe in human Evolution, human was created the way he was perfectly, a miracle... if you want ot argue taht Adam started off as a n ape... well that's your problem...

Allah says we are superior.. if you rather classify yoruself as a different breed of ape instead of a superior creature.. enjoy..
 
lolwatever said:
dude if you want to be equated to an animal... good luck enjoy..

i'm just saying don't force others around you to degrade themselves to animals... by way of labelling or otherwise...

it's pretty obvious that Islam doesn't believe in human Evolution, human was created the way he was perfectly, a miracle... if you want ot argue taht Adam started off as a n ape... well that's your problem...

Allah says we are superior.. if you rather classify yoruself as a different breed of ape instead of a superior creature.. enjoy..
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Degrade themselves to animals?...You are pathetic. It is people like you who make me hate humans.
 
^^lool.. what, so you're a zebra who fled a zoo and jumped onto this forum and now u hate humans? :p

instead of giving me a flurry of emotions.. do a line by line refutation :D ... show us a bit of the animal intellgience that you possess...

ok back to topic
 
Where is your proof that we are not animals? Where does it say we are superior. I at least brought proof of how we are indeed animals. Also, I never mentioned anything about evolution. I am a human, thus I am an animal, so please stop with the "So you are a zebra" and what not.
 
ok.. now you're making sense.

Here's the proof..

25:44 "Rather they are like animals, Nay! They are Worse"

So if humans where like animals by default, why would Allah make a deregotary contrast like the verse above?

and if Allah's turning the people of the book into apes and pigs is not a degredation, then what is it? an honour?

Also not all animals are equitable as far as Islam is concerned, frogs for example are regarded more than a lizard for example.. Infact we're commanded to kill lizards whenever we come across one... But we are commanded to protect and lookafter all other species of animals...

salamz
 
lolwatever said:
ok.. now you're making sense.

Here's the proof..

25:44 "Rather they are like animals, Nay! They are Worse"

So if humans where like animals by default, why would Allah make a deregotary contrast like the verse above?

and if Allah's turning the people of the book into apes and pigs is not a degredation, then what is it? an honour?

Also not all animals are equitable as far as Islam is concerned, frogs for example are regarded more than a lizard for example.. Infact we're commanded to kill lizards whenever we come across one... But we are commanded to protect and lookafter all other species of animals...

salamz
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However, this is not proof that we are NOT animals biologically. Also where is your proof about lizards? If a hadeeth, what level of reliability.
 
dude.. animals and humans are both made out of electrons, protons and neutrons.. that doesn't necessitate us being on the same level in any shape or form.

Humans and animals are two different classes... forget the biology for now, we're talking in terms of psychology and intellect here.

by the way, it's salamander.. not lizard.. sorry i never knew there was a difference till i just looked it up now:


...You first need to appreciate the difference between lizards and salamanders. The first is typically referred to as, "Al-Zabba" in Arabic while the latter is what is mostly referred to as "Al-Wazaq" in Arabic. Lizards are reptiles, while salamanders are amphibians.

It is the killing of salamanders (and not lizard) that is a matter of debate. It is true that there are Ahadith encouraging killing salamanders. Some of these are as follows:
Narrated 'Aisha: Allah's Apostle called the salamander a bad animal, but I did not hear him ordering it to be killed." (Bukhari - Volume 3, Book 29, Number 57)
Narrated Aisha: The Prophet called the Salamander, a mischief-doer. I have not heard him ordering that it should be killed. Sad bin Waqqas says that the Prophet ordered that it should be killed. (Bukhari - Volume 4, Book 54, Number 525)
Narrated Um Sharik: Allah's Apostle ordered that the salamander should be killed and said, "It (i.e. the salamander) blew (the fire) on Ibrahim." (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 579)
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who killed a Salamander with the first stroke for him is such and such a reward, and he who killed it with a second stroke for him is such and such reward less than the first one, and he who killed it with the third stroke for him is such and such a reward less than the second one. (Muslim Book 026, Number 5564)
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lolwatever said:
dude.. animals and humans are both made out of electrons, protons and neutrons.. that doesn't necessitate us being on the same level in any shape or form.

Humans and animals are two different classes... forget the biology for now, we're talking in terms of psychology and intellect here.

by the way, it's salamander.. not lizard.. sorry i never knew there was a difference till i just looked it up now:
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All animals are different in terms of psychology and intelligence. However, humans are extremely similar to higher apes in the two areas than many people would like to believe. Gorillas have proven that they have the capacity ot lie. Elephants have an amazing memory and are the only other animal besides humans to be diagnosed with PTSD. Dogs commonly have separation anxiety. Elephants and higher apes show the same reaction to lack of parenting that humans do.
 
lolwatever said:
and what does that have to do with us being animals :?
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You said the we are different in terms of psychology and intelligence. I was showing how we are more similar than many believe. Our level of awareness and consciousness is different in the fact that we can not prove at the moment if animals do/do not believe in a higher power or understand death. Although elephants return to the graveyards of relatives and feel the remnants with their trunks, as if remembering the dead.
 
yeh.. there's similarities that's fair enough.. even as far as DNA is concerned... i can even prove to you that robots have alot of similarities with humans...

similarity doesn't render us equal.. that's my point... just because robots have neuron networks and Artificial intelligence and have mechanical and material dynamics similar to humans doesn't necessitate us being a family..

in short.. be proud to be a human and accept the superiority that Allah has given us.. no doubt, people who misuse the trust that Allah gave them are wosre than animals.:statisfie
 

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