Are cats Haraam?

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lolwatever said:
yeh.. there's similarities that's fair enough.. even as far as DNA is concerned... i can even prove to you that robots have alot of similarities with humans...

similarity doesn't render us equal.. that's my point... just because robots have neuron networks and Artificial intelligence and have mechanical and material dynamics similar to humans doesn't necessitate us being a family..

in short.. be proud to be a human and accept the superiority that Allah has given us.. no doubt, people who misuse the trust that Allah gave them are wosre than animals.
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I just want to make it clear that I am not saying as animals we are all equal, but equitable. Here are the definitions of each word:

eq·ui·ta·ble P Pronunciation Key (kw-t-bl)
adj.
Marked by or having equity; just and impartial. See Synonyms at fair.

e·qual P Pronunciation Key (kwl)
adj.
Having the same quantity, measure, or value as another.
Mathematics. Being the same or identical to in value.
Having the same privileges, status, or rights: equal before the law.
Being the same for all members of a group: gave every player an equal chance to win.
Having the requisite qualities, such as strength or ability, for a task or situation: “Elizabeth found herself quite equal to the scene” (Jane Austen).
Adequate in extent, amount, or degree.

The are similar, but not the same.
 
Marked by or having equity; just and impartial. See Synonyms at fair.
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So do you provide a bed for your puppy? and a toilet as well as a dinner table with a spoon and fork? and did you send it to primary school, and did you help it find an appropriate spouse when it got old enough? :?

I mean afterall.. that's what equitable is all about...

lol ok the obvious answer is no.. why? becasue we're VERY different. We have some similarities, but by no means do they make us equitable... not even in the sight of Allah.. otherwise they woudln't be turned to dust on day of judgement..

oh and mind you.. i'm not an anti animal person btw... i'm just anti people who love to call themselves animals or behave like ones..
 
lolwatever said:
So do you provide a bed for your puppy? and a toilet as well as a dinner table with a spoon and fork? and did you send it to primary school, and did you help it find an appropriate spouse when it got old enough? :?

I mean afterall.. that's what equitable is all about...
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How is it fair? Dogs are not humans, just as fish are not geese. One should treat each animal by what it is. A dog as a dog, a human as a human, a horse as a horse-all are animals but not the same as the other.
 
Animal is an English word. In different contexts it has different meanings. From Mr. Webster an Animal is:

Animal (Page: 58)
An"i*mal (#), n. [L., fr. anima breath, soul: cf. F. animal. See Animate.]

1. An organized living being endowed with sensation and the power of voluntary motion, and also characterized by taking its food into an internal cavity or stomach for digestion; by giving carbonic acid to the air and taking oxygen in the process of respiration; and by increasing in motive power or active aggressive force with progress to maturity.

2. One of the lower animals; a brute or beast, as distinguished from man; as, men and animals.

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Animal (Page: 58)
An"i*mal, a. [Cf. F. animal.]

1. Of or relating to animals; as, animal functions.

2. Pertaining to the merely sentient part of a creature, as distinguished from the intellectual, rational, or spiritual part; as, the animal passions or appetites.

3. Consisting of the flesh of animals; as, animal food. Animal magnetism. See Magnetism and Mesmerism. -- Animal electricity, the electricity developed in some animals, as the electric eel, torpedo, etc. -- Animal flower (Zoöl.), a name given to certain marine animals resembling a flower, as any species of actinia or sea anemone, and other Anthozoa, hydroids, starfishes, etc. -- Animal heat (Physiol.), the heat generated in the body of a living animal, by means of which the animal is kept at nearly a uniform temperature. -- Animal spirits. See under Spirit. -- Animal kingdom, the whole class of beings endowed with animal life. It embraces several subkingdoms, and under these there are Classes, Orders, Families, Genera, Species, and sometimes intermediate groupings, all in regular subordination, but variously arranged by different writers. The following are the grand divisions, or subkingdoms, and the principal classes under them, generally recognized at the present time: - Vertebrata, including Mammalia or Mammals, Aves or Birds, Reptilia, Amphibia, Pisces or Fishes, Marsipobranchiata (Craniota); and Leptocardia (Acrania). Tunicata, including the Thaliacea, and Ascidioidea or Ascidians. Articulata or Annulosa, including Insecta, Myriapoda, Malacapoda, Arachnida, Pycnogonida, Merostomata, Crustacea (Arthropoda); and Annelida, Gehyrea (Anarthropoda). Helminthes or Vermes, including Rotifera, Chætognatha, Nematoidea, Acanthocephala, Nemertina, Turbellaria, Trematoda, Cestoidea, Mesozea. Molluscoidea, including Brachiopoda and Bryozoa. Mollusca, including Cephalopoda, Gastropoda, Pteropoda, Scaphopoda, Lamellibranchiata or Acephala. Echinodermata, including Holothurioidea, Echinoidea, Asterioidea, Ophiuroidea, and Crinoidea. Cœlenterata, including Anthozoa or Polyps, Ctenophora, and Hydrozoa or Acalephs. Spongiozoa or Porifera, including the sponges. Protozoa, including Infusoria and Rhizopoda. For definitions, see these names in the Vocabulary.
 
ok how about this... bring me a shred of evidence to suggest that Humans and animals are equitable... and that Humans are a form of animal.
 
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how about you two DEFINE what you mean by animal???

from what i seem to have understood, according to lolwatever: animal= all living creatures other than humans.

mlsh27: animal=all living creatures including humans
 
I brought you the taxonomy. Also humans are 98.4% genetically similar to chimps...more than chimps are to gorillas at 96%. I am not saying anything about evolution, so please do not play that card. Humans and "animals" are equitable in the same way that men and women are. All animals are not the exact same, just as women and men are not the exact same in physiology, behaviors, and psychology. However, all are treated justly. Men are not "above" women. Humans are not "above" animals. This is not to say that some do not have enhanced areas over another. However, because of the differences, one is not treated as less than another: i.e. women are less than men because they aren't as strong, & dogs are less than humans because they don't see as many colors.
 
^^ i know what she's referring to... but i'm arguign that we should stick to Islamic definitions... she shouldn't be confusing herself like that till she reaches wehre she's at...
 
mlsh27 said:
I brought you the taxonomy. Also humans are 98.4% genetically similar to chimps...more than chimps are to gorillas at 96%. I am not saying anything about evolution, so please do not play that card. Humans and "animals" are equitable in the same way that men and women are. All animals are not the exact same, just as women and men are not the exact same in physiology, behaviors, and psychology. However, all are treated justly. Men are not "above" women. Humans are not "above" animals. This is not to say that some do not have enhanced areas over another. However, because of the differences, one is not treated as less than another: i.e. women are less than men because they aren't as strong, & dogs are less than humans because they don't see as many colors.
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And Allah defines animals the way cheese did... so based on that we're not animals. Full stop.

now.. back to topic, cats, yes they're cute mashalah and halal to keep as pets... not edible tho :p
 
Here is why we ARE classified as animals.
HOW ARE HUMANS LABELED?
Cats, dogs, and now you. Below is the exact name a scientist would use to describe you. If an alien came from outer space, and wanted to understand about every living thing on Earth, they would use these labels. You could put a big sign on your dog with his description and you could wear one which described you. Your sign would read...

ANIMALIA - CHORDATA - MAMMALIA - PRIMATA - HOMINIDAE - HOMO - SAPIENS


WHY DO SCIENTISTS THINK YOU ARE HUMAN?


We don't care what people say about you, we know that you are human. But then again, we're scientists. So let's start with the biggest grouping. You live in the KINGDOM - ANIMALIA. If you remember, there are five Kingdoms. You are made up of many, many cells (multicellular) and all those cells have a nucleus with a membrane. You don't have any chlorophyll. If you did, you would be a plant.

Next comes the Phylum. You are PHYLUM - CHORDATA. So when you were a fetus (in the womb before you were born) you had something called a NOTOCHORD. That's a rod made out of cartilage. As you developed, that cartilage turned into a spinal cord made out of bones. That's what scientists call VERTEBRAE. Those magic vertebrae put you in the SUBPHYLUM - VERTEBRATA.

Feel your hand. Hopefully its warm, not cold like a snake. Having warm blood makes you special. Look in the mirror. Do you have any feathers? Do you have teeth? If you had feathers and no teeth scientists would toss you in with the birds. One last thing, if you are an adult woman, you should have the ability to nurse your babies. That's called breast feeding (or suckling). Most mammals do that for their babies. Now you're falling into the CLASS - MAMMALIA.

Okay, you're a mammal. That's still a long way from being human. As far as we know you're some blind mole that lives out in the desert. Do you lay eggs? No. Do you have a pouch? No. You, assuming you are an adult female, have babies that start their life in something called a PLACENTA. That's the lining for the womb where the baby (or fetus) grows until it is born. That magic placenta puts you in the SUBCLASS - EUTHERIA.

Now for the easy stuff. You should have five fingers and five toes on each hand and foot. One of those fingers should be a thumb. You have flat fingernails on those fingers and toes. You have a collarbone (that's the one between your neck and your shoulders). You are officially in the ORDER - PRIMATA (that's where the primates and monkeys are). Your eyes are in the front of your head. Not on the sides like a dolphin or some other monkeys. SUBORDER - ARTHROPOIDEA.

Almost there. Tail? Nope. Do you walk on two legs? Yup. Your spinal cord and vertebrae are also "S" shaped (that's important). That puts you in the FAMILY - HOMINIDAE.

You are in the GENUS - HOMO. There was another genus which is now extinct called Australopithecus. Very close to you, but not quite human.

And finally, you are SPECIES - SAPIENS. There used to be a species "Homo erectus". They are now extinct. That's it. All those names tell scientists huge amounts about you, your PHYSIOLOGY, your GENETICS, and they way you develop into being an adult.
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thats nothing more than a scientific definition!!!! AND is based on evolution...:rollseyes

it doesnt prove anything
 
sis mlsh.. please.. i'm not trying to get on your nerves or anything..reeeeealllly really sorry if i offended you.. i guess my jokes can seem jerky alot of times..

all i'm saying is.. yeh we do have similarities.. but Islamically we're a distinct species from the other living things...

I presented to you the evidence about animals not beign equitable, take a look at it and think about it more inshalah.

tc salamz
 
cheese said:
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thats nothing more than a scientific definition!!!! AND is based on evolution...:rollseyes

it doesnt prove anything
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How does it not prove anything? It goes step by step answering why we are classified as such. Also where does it say anything about evolution? Some one has yet to prove how we are not biologically animals. The verse that lolwatever posted did not address the "humans are not animals" debate. I don't think you all are understanding that I am not saying we, as humans, are equal to other species. I am saying that we are animals, but have our own sub-species because we are different. If we are in no way animals, the classification system would not apply to humans.
 
lolwatever said:
sis mlsh.. please.. i'm not trying to get on your nerves or anything..reeeeealllly really sorry if i offended you.. i guess my jokes can seem jerky alot of times..

all i'm saying is.. yeh we do have similarities.. but Islamically we're a distinct species from the other living things...

I presented to you the evidence about animals not beign equitable, take a look at it and think about it more inshalah.

tc salamz
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I am sorry if I am getting on your nerves or what not. I agree we definitely are a distinct species, that is why no other animal can be classified as a Homo sapien.
 
^^ lol your fine..

I read that article.. and it seems to classify humans based on the similarities they have.. but it doesn't imply there that we're equitable...

as for me not convincing that we are not animals... i think the verse i quoted proves it.. it's a rhetorical question and no one would use that as evidenc eot prove that we are animals....

tc all the best
 
Anyways, I am glad cats are not haram because I have 2, my parents 3, my sister 1, and my brother 1. They are extremely distinct and interesting creatures. One of mine acts like a dog. Since we are not allowed to keep dogs as pets, she makes up for it.
 
Homo erectus are part of the evolutionary 'family' or whatever you want to call it... the classification is linked to evolution.

just becuase we are made from cells and whatever doesnt mean we are animals. I know i am wasting my time here, becuase this argument is nothing but 'how do we define animals'.

how about this- we are like animals in a biological sense, we are made from cells etc, BUT humans have free will and animals dont, humans will be judged in the hereafter and animals wont, humans will get paradise or hell, and animals will simply no longer exist...

huge difference
 

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