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The recent best selling thriller The Da Vinci Code, written by Dan Brown, has sold over 40 million copies worldwide and has created uproar in the churches.
From many christians point of view this is blasphemous. Many get quite angry and offended when the topic comes up. Yet, no rioting, no burning of bookstores, no calls for the death of Dan Brown. Is it possible that christians living in the modern world have made the conscious decision to be civilized, even when greatly offended?
 
The recent best selling thriller The Da Vinci Code, written by Dan Brown, has sold over 40 million copies worldwide and has created uproar in the churches.
From many christians point of view this is blasphemous. Many get quite angry and offended when the topic comes up. Yet, no rioting, no burning of bookstores, no calls for the death of Dan Brown. Is it possible that christians living in the modern world have made the conscious decision to be civilized, even when greatly offended?

It is true that many Christians are uncivilized, not a whole lot though. We cannot generalize on the uncivilized nature of Christians as a whole. There are many who truly believe in ONE lord, not associating any partners with Him.

Regarding your confusion about Christians not getting angry when blasphemy is uttered against them publicly - It is mainly due to the fact that Chrisitans don't really care a whole lot for their religion. They know that they are wrong. They are trying their best to stop and mock those who are on the straight path. Out of how many Athiests do you think were brought up in the religion of Christianity? Almost all of them.

Muslims who burn flags and do violent protests are doing wrong since nothing like this is sanctioned in Islam. ---- There is no need for violent protests. And just so you know, most of the violent protests are a direct result of their own countries policies toward following Shari'a. The protests show frustration and the inability of the people to implement strict Shari'a in their country.

Only if Muslims followed Shari'a...the kuffar won't even have a chance to point any fingers to them.

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I didnt protest by burning a flag or ordering the death of anyone in fact I was against that...but does that make a civilized muslim? or a civilizd human being?
 
The recent best selling thriller The Da Vinci Code, written by Dan Brown, has sold over 40 million copies worldwide and has created uproar in the churches.
From many christians point of view this is blasphemous. Many get quite angry and offended when the topic comes up. Yet, no rioting, no burning of bookstores, no calls for the death of Dan Brown. Is it possible that christians living in the modern world have made the conscious decision to be civilized, even when greatly offended?

Interesting thread! :)

Speaking as a Christian in the UK, my view would be that we have to live our faith in a secular world.
There is a strong emphasis on freedom of speech, which mean people can say things, which may offend others, and those have to put up with it!
That's not necessarily a bad thing, because it means people have to listen to each other.
So, I have to listen to other people's point of view, but I can equally expect them to listen to me! (A bit like this forum, really!) :)

Not so long ago the British Parliament tried to push through the Religious Hatred Bill, which was supposed to curb how people could criticise/ ridicule other religions.
Funnily enough, many people, from different groups protested against it - because they all felt it important to be able to speak their own minds.
So outside the Houses of Parliament gathered this rather bizarre gathering of religious groups, atheists and comedians (One of the few occasions when all those shared one common view, I am sure!) :giggling:

On a personal level, sometimes I see or hear things I find highly offensive and blasphemous!
If I can, I talk to people and make my point quietly. I have also participated in peaceful protests. Often I 'just' pray.
I guess Jesus never taught us to burn flags and torch book shops.
 
the thread is asking are chrisitians civilized where as I see people debating on whether the quraan is a triology(which it isnt) and harshness of Islam and so on?

Sorry that wa my fault (i brought it up).

Anyways back on topic

I think all people are more civilized compared today, i dont think religion has much to do with it.
 
Maujahid
We cannot generalize on the uncivilized nature of Christians as a whole. There are many who truly believe in ONE lord, not associating any partners with Him.
What? To be civilized you have to believe in “ONE lord”? That is an uncivilized statement.

It is mainly due to the fact that Christians don't really care a whole lot for their religion.
What a stupid statement. Who are you to judge all of Christianity?

They know that they are wrong.
Now that is total stupidity. They know it is wrong and believe anyway? You need a shot of reality. Think about what you said.
 
Sorry that wa my fault (i brought it up).

Anyways back on topic

I think all people are more civilized compared today, i dont think religion has much to do with it.

Religion is sent down (as a way of life) to make people civilized, not to divide or conquer or create mischief in the land. It is people who don't adhere to the proper laws and rules set by God that go astray and put themselves and their generations to come in deep trouble.
I think the fact that "freedom" is a form of uncivilzed notion that people like to associate themselves with, that has caused so much chaos in the world today. There are no moral constraints to the actions of people. The fact that Christians actully don't care about their priests being guilty of pedophilia, people acknowledging gay marriages,porn, divorce, family breakups, and other such nonsense as a part of their disfunctional societies is what is called uncivilized. It is atleast appreciated that some conservative Christians are sad bout these things and condemn them, there IS NO WAY for them to enforce strict punishments in order to stop these uncivilized deeds of people.
Since Islam is the only revelation sent through the Qur'an and the Sunnah that has been preserved and intact with all of God's rulings on how to deal with criminals in the society, isn't it fair enough to be greatful to Islam?
The fact that an adulterer gets stoned to death in public (so that people can witness) the shame and pain of that guilty person is that best way to stop this nonsense and thus make the society civilized.
 
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Religion is sent down (as a way of life) to make people civilized, not to divide or conquer or create mischief in the land. It is people who don't adhere to the proper laws and rules set by God that go astray and put themselves and their generations to come in deep trouble.
I think the fact that "freedom" is a form uncivilzed notion that people like to associate themselves with, that has caused so much chaos in the world today. There are no moral constraints to the actions of people. The fact that Christians actully don't care about their priests being guilty of pedophilia, people acknowledging gay marriages,porn, divorce, family breakups, and other such nonsense as a part of their disfunctional societies is what is called uncivilized. It is atleast appreciated that some conservative Christians are ad bout these things and condemn them, there IS NO WAY for them to enforce strict punishments in order to stop these uncivilized deeds of people.
Since Islam is the only revelation sent through the Qur'an and the Sunnah that has been preserved and intact with all of God's rulings on how to deal with criminals in the society, isn't it fair enough to be greatful to Islam?
The fact that an adulterer gets stoned to death in public (so that people can witness) the shame and pain of that guilty person is that best way to stop this nonsense and thus make the society civilized.

I dont think Islam has much to do being civil anymore than any other religion. Most religions preach the same stuff in the end.
I think culture and society has more of an influence imo.
 
i dont think religion has much to do with it.
I'm inclined to agree. The rioting and violence that is expressed by some Muslims has nothing to do with what Islam teaches us, and they end up doing more harm than those who are they rioting against.

Actually, to compare the expression of denunciation by Muslims to Christians in the world is a flawed comparison for three reasons:
1. Riots and violent protests occur amongt the politically and socially disenfranchised citizens of third-world countries, while peaceful demonstrations and other more 'civilized' avenues of expressing one's views are found in developed countries. The issue here is not religion at all. A man living in a war-torn undeveloped country does nto have the same opportunities and avenues of expressing himself as a man living in an upper-class advanced society.

2. Secularism has become increasingly prevalent in the west and many Christians feel religion plays a marginal role in their lives. Unlike the Muslim who prays five times a day, for most Christians, religion occupies only one day per week on their calendar. Even Christianity itself is not a way of life - many Christians believe that they are no longer bound by the Old Testament laws, they've been "saved" from submitting to a detailed code of life ordained by God. In short, Christians today are not as attached to their religion as Muslims are.

3. Because of the situation in the west, attacks on Islam are far more detrimental to the society than attacks on Christianity. Since Christianity is relatively well-known to the avergae westerner, misconceptions cannot sprad as easily. But because the average westerner is relatively ignorant of Islamic teachings, misconceptions and biases against Muslims can spread like wildfire causing division and animosity in society. This explains why Christians may remain relatively calm about an insult to their faith because the damage is minimal, but for Muslims the damage is much greater [which does not negate the fact that we still should excericse calm responses to these issues]. In such sensitive times we need to reach out and promote understanding rather than allowing the bigoted individuals on both sides to drive us into a collision course.​
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Maujahid
We cannot generalize on the uncivilized nature of Christians as a whole. There are many who truly believe in ONE lord, not associating any partners with Him.
What? To be civilized you have to believe in “ONE lord”? That is an uncivilized statement.

It is mainly due to the fact that Christians don't really care a whole lot for their religion.
What a stupid statement. Who are you to judge all of Christianity?

They know that they are wrong.
Now that is total stupidity. They know it is wrong and believe anyway? You need a shot of reality. Think about what you said.

Calm down buddy. My reply was to the initial poster since he indirectly try to say that Muslims getting angry over small things is being uncivilized. Well, you have to understand that there is a limit to lies/mockery/false alligations. If the Christians can tolerate their "god" to be a laughing joke for people to enjoy and appreciate their freedom of speech, then Im sorry, we DONT accept such uncivilized behavior. Make fun of yourself, your family, your religion, your "god" as much as you want. Don't dare to insult ISLAM. I was making my point clear. So take it easy.
 
It is true that many Christians are uncivilized, not a whole lot though. We cannot generalize on the uncivilized nature of Christians as a whole. There are many who truly believe in ONE lord, not associating any partners with Him.

Regarding your confusion about Christians not getting angry when blasphemy is uttered against them publicly - It is mainly due to the fact that Chrisitans don't really care a whole lot for their religion. They know that they are wrong. They are trying their best to stop and mock those who are on the straight path. Out of how many Athiests do you think were brought up in the religion of Christianity? Almost all of them.

Muslims who burn flags and do violent protests are doing wrong since nothing like this is sanctioned in Islam. ---- There is no need for violent protests. And just so you know, most of the violent protests are a direct result of their own countries policies toward following Shari'a. The protests show frustration and the inability of the people to implement strict Shari'a in their country.

Only if Muslims followed Shari'a...the kuffar won't even have a chance to point any fingers to them.

MODERATOR'S COMMENT: PROMOTING VIOLENCE IS UNACCEPTABLE AND WILL NOT BE TOLERATED ON THIS FORUM.


The Reason is Jesus' teaching which says love thy enemy, do not return evil with evil.

Those teachings can only come from God
 
I think the fact that "freedom" is a form of uncivilzed notion that people like to associate themselves with, that has caused so much chaos in the world today.
Freedom itself is neither inherently good or bad - it depends what you are being free of. Being free of one's responsibilties and obligations is not good, for example. There is no absolute freedom in any society; every society places limits and restrictions on personal freedoms.

:w:

ps. Off-topic posts have been removed.
 
The fact that Christians actully don't care about their priests being guilty of pedophilia, people acknowledging gay marriages,porn, divorce, family breakups, and other such nonsense as a part of their disfunctional societies is what is called uncivilized


We do care,,but we talk, teach and pray.. like God we do not want one soul to die..
We just go about things differently to you..We leave it to God to punish these people, firstly these people may repent..what rights do we have to take that chance of repentance away from them...God decides when their time is up on this earth..not us..we ourselves are accoutable to God..and their blood would be on our hands...that would make us no better..we don't take things into our own hands...eg..like this below


The fact that an adulterer gets stoned to death in public (so that people can witness) the shame and pain of that guilty person is that best way to stop this nonsense and thus make the society civilized.


Is this what civil means to you?
 
I dont think Islam has much to do being civil anymore than any other religion. Most religions preach the same stuff in the end.
I'll have to disagree with you to a certain extent.Since you brought this up, heres a question for you - What has Christianity (in a practical/real life ruling) got to offer for people who commit adultery and fornication/kill people/talk lies/ false alligations and so on. Where is Christianity playing a role in stopping these uncivilized behavior of people?

I think culture and society has more of an influence imo.

It shoud not be that way then. Faith(Submission to God's Will) is more important than personal desires/opinions of people.
 
The Reason is Jesus' teaching which says love thy enemy, do not return evil with evil.

Those teachings can only come from God
I agree. Did you read what the Qur'an says?

Qur'an 41:34. The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Return an evil deed with one that is good, then verily the one with whom you had animosity will become like the closest of friends.

Qur'an 25:63. And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.


Regards
 
The fact that an adulterer gets stoned to death in public (so that people can witness) the shame and pain of that guilty person is that best way to stop this nonsense and thus make the society civilized.

Is this what civil means to you?

YAH.
You really don't care about adultery do you? Why am I not surprised.
 
We just go about things differently to you..We leave it to God to punish these people, firstly these people may repent..what rights do we have to take that chance of repentance away from them...
I think the problem here is that many Christians do not even object to the immoral practices in the society around them. They are supposed to be charged with spreading the message of faith and morality but they relegate it to their personal life, and even then to only one day in their week. Whatever happened to enjoining righteousness and moral conduct and warning people to abstain from sin and evil?
 
I'll have to disagree with you to a certain extent.Since you brought this up, heres a question for you - What has Christianity (in a practical/real life ruling) got to offer for people who commit adultery and fornication/kill people/talk lies/ false alligations and so on. Where is Christianity playing a role in stopping these uncivilized behavior of people?

As far as i know christians should follow the 10 commandments, which list these acts as things not to be done?
 
Calm down buddy. My reply was to the initial poster since he indirectly try to say
that Muslims getting angry over small things
is being uncivilized. Well, you have to understand that there is a limit to lies/mockery/false alligations. If the Christians can tolerate their "god" to be a laughing joke for people to enjoy and appreciate their freedom of speech, then Im sorry, we DONT accept such uncivilized behavior. Make fun of yourself, your family, your religion, your "god" as much as you want.
Don't dare to insult ISLAM.
I was making my point clear. So take it easy.


I believe you've proved the point!
 
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