Are Christians civilized?

[Nicola]

I think the problem here is that many Christians do not even object to the immoral practices in the society around them. They are supposed to be charged with spreading the message of faith and morality but they relegate it to their personal life, and even then to only one day in their week. Whatever happened to enjoining righteousness and moral conduct and warning people to abstain from sin and evil?

You many cut and paste my quotes to suit yourself..or delete them, but I know what I typed and so does God.

 

[afriend]

The recent best selling thriller The Da Vinci Code, written by Dan Brown, has sold over 40 million copies worldwide and has created uproar in the churches.
From many christians point of view this is blasphemous. Many get quite angry and offended when the topic comes up. Yet, no rioting, no burning of bookstores, no calls for the death of Dan Brown. Is it possible that christians living in the modern world have made the conscious decision to be civilized, even when greatly offended?

It's cos religion does not really matter to christians...we treasure our religion...

 

[j4763]

The recent best selling thriller The Da Vinci Code, written by Dan Brown, has sold over 40 million copies worldwide and has created uproar in the churches.
From many christians point of view this is blasphemous. Many get quite angry and offended when the topic comes up. Yet, no rioting, no burning of bookstores, no calls for the death of Dan Brown. Is it possible that christians living in the modern world have made the conscious decision to be civilized, even when greatly offended?

Are we all forgetting this is a fictitious book (which is i would imaging only found in the fictitious section of a book shop)?

Just like indian jones!

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Hello Nicola,

You many cut and paste my quotes to suit yourself..or delete them,

Instead of responding to my question and argument, you've simply thrown an allegation that I cut and paste to suit myself and even delete. I'm not sure what the cause was for this sudden accusation, but I'm hoping you can explain.

As for knowing what you typed,

but I know what I typed and so does God.

Yes, we all know what you typed - it is right here in the fourteenth post in this thread:
http://www.islamicboard.com/290277-post14.html

Now that we have established what you typed, would you care to respond to my comments on what you typed?

 

[Nicola]

Hello Nicola,
Instead of responding to my question and argument, you've simply thrown an allegation that I cut and paste to suit myself and even delete. I'm not sure what the cause was for this sudden accusation, but I'm hoping you can explain.

As for knowing what you typed,

Yes, we all know what you typed - it is right here in the fourteenth post in this thread:
http://www.islamicboard.com/290277-post14.html

Now that we have established what you typed, would you care to respond to my comments on what you typed?

Actually I've already explained my self very clear that Christians do care, you believe we don't, fair enough...that is you choice and opinion. What else is there to say.

 

[Nicola]

YAH.
You really don't care about adultery do you? Why am I not surprised.

I wouldn't stone someone to death for it no...

Why am I not surprised...that you would throw that accusation at me..;D
typical

 

[afriend]

I wouldn't stone someone to death for it no...

Why am I not surprised...that you would throw that accusation at me..;D
typical

OK chill out...

Brother..please let's try and sort this out in an orderly manner.

 

[Bunk]

Al Adl:

1. Riots and violent protests occur amongt the politically and socially disenfranchised citizens of third-world countries, while peaceful demonstrations and other more 'civilized' avenues of expressing one's views are found in developed countries. The issue here is not religion at all. A man living in a war-torn undeveloped country does nto have the same opportunities and avenues of expressing himself as a man living in an upper-class advanced society.

This is completely wrong. What about Ghandi's movement of non-violence which occured in A third world(at best) India? And this was religiously inspired, too, as your list states is not the case, thus refuting your claim.
Mandela's relatively peaceful movement in South Africa, another impoverished country?
That you overlooked these examples shows your bias and willingness to exclude obious examples which refute your assertions.

Unlike the Muslim who prays five times a day

Wrong again. Vast numbers of muslims don't pray 5 times a day, many more hardly even go to masjihd on friday. Many muslims were born muslims, thus are ethnic muslims, while ignoring the religious doctrine and practices that observant muslims practice.

This explains why Christians may remain relatively calm about an insult to their faith because the damage is minimal, but for Muslims the damage is much greater

This is a very, very poor argument. Try again.

 

[wilberhum]

Moujahid

Christians actually don't care about their priests being guilty of pedophilia,
Where have you been? Do you ever read? The uproar over this has been louder than Muslim condemnation of OBL.

People acknowledging gay marriages, porn, divorce, family breakups, and other such nonsense as a part of their dysfunctional societies is what is called uncivilized.
And your remedy is? Gays, should we kill them. Porn is bad by any standard but that is one of the results of freedom. I will take freedom with its problems over no freedoms, or your concept of what my freedoms should be. Family breakups, a large number are the result of unchaining women. They are no longer forced to stay in bad marriages. It is the acknowledgement of reality. I assume that you would prefer to keep women subservient and under your control.
Dysfunctional societies? Want to identify a non-dysfunctional society?
It is at least appreciated that some conservative Christians are sad bout these things and condemn them. Where do you live? Do you read? I hear condemnation about this stuff all the time.

Stoned to death in public and that is what you think civilized people should do? It is obvious that your definition of civilized is different than mine.

Christians can tolerate their "god" to be a laughing. Yep, you called it right. It is called tolerance. That is how people get along. Obviously you prefer intolerance.

Don't dare to insult ISLAM. Pardon me! I will if I want. What is your civilized response if I do? Civilized stoning?

What has Christianity (in a practical/real life ruling) got to offer for people who commit adultery and fornication/kill people/talk lies/ false allegations and so on? They use to kill them, but then civilization arrived.

 

[azim]

Salam.

I feel any topics raised here should be discussed in different threads.

As for the original post - Are Christians Civilised? I'd say yes and I'm everyone here agree's. The topics that are being discussed are not related to the original anymore.

 

[wilberhum]

Bunk
What about Ghandi's movement of non-violence which occurred in a third world. According to Moujahid since Ghandi did not believe in “ONE lord”, he wasn’t even civilized.
I have been to Gandhi’s grave, it was an inspiring experience.
He was truly a gift from the gods.

 

[Joe98]

Christians not getting angry when blasphemy is uttered against them publicly - It is mainly due to the fact that Christians don't really care a whole lot for their religion. They know that they are wrong.

No, you are mistaken. Christians don’t get angry because of their culture. According to Christian teaching you must be polite and cannot get violent.

They follow their teachings.

 

[Noora_z3]

Al Adl:


This is completely wrong. What about Ghandi's movement of non-violence which occured in A third world(at best) India? And this was religiously inspired, too, as your list states is not the case, thus refuting your claim.
Mandela's relatively peaceful movement in South Africa, another impoverished country?
That you overlooked these examples shows your bias and willingness to exclude obious examples which refute your assertions..

First wen u guys quote Ghandi n how he freeded his country from British invasion, u better look at the whole picture. Ghandi did a lot but others (whom history tends to forget) did lots more than him, through diffrent means, like armed struggel n that sort, n they r the ones who made it easier for him.

secondlt, lets check out which Islamic countris had the worst n the most voilent protest wen the Danish newspaper published those cartoons. Syria, Afghnistan, Bangladish....etc...wat do they have in common?

Now lets see which Islamic countirs had a very peaceful protest agains these Cartoons, GCC countirs, like Saudi, UAE...etc. Wat do they have in common?

Wrong again. Vast numbers of muslims don't pray 5 times a day, many more hardly even go to masjihd on friday. Many muslims were born muslims, thus are ethnic muslims, while ignoring the religious doctrine and practices that observant muslims practice.

U say it like only 20% of Muslim population pray. Check ur facts, knowing lots of ppl who dont pray doesnt mean that majority of Muslims dont pray. I strongly refuse to accept that.

 

[Joe98]

My first experience of Muslims was as follows:

Salman Rushdie wrote a book which offended Muslims

My local Muslims made up signs. Adults and children carried the signs.

Muslim children carried signs down the street which said:

Kill Salman Rushdie!
Kill Salman Rushdie!
Kill Salman Rushdie!

Gotta love those Muslim children!


Soon after, a movie was released called “The Last Temptation of Christ”. This movie upset a lot of Christians.

Christians stood in front of the movie theatre with signs that said:

Don’t see the movie!
Don’t see the movie!
Don’t see the movie!


Therein lies the difference.


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[Noora_z3]

Soon after, a movie was released called “The Last Temptation of Christ”. This movie upset a lot of Christians.

Christians stood in front of the movie theatre with signs that said:

Don’t see the movie!
Don’t see the movie!
Don’t see the movie!
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Oh by the way, U know "The last Temptation of Christ" WASNT showed in Malaysian cinam halls?...got any idea why?

Out of Respect to Jesus (Issa peace be upon him)

 

[Nicola]

Oh by the way, U know "The last Temptation of Christ" WASNT showed in Malaysian cinam halls?...got any idea why?

Out of Respect to Jesus (Issa peace be upon him)

Do you think Muslims will react over the of the divinci film?

 

[Noora_z3]

Do you think Muslims will react over the of the divinci film?

I dont really know.

 

[azim]

Do you think Muslims will react over the of the divinci film?

So nice to be reffered to in the third person.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

Bunk
What about Ghandi's movement of non-violence which occurred in a third world. According to Moujahid since Ghandi did not believe in “ONE lord”, he wasn’t even civilized.
I have been to Gandhi’s grave, it was an inspiring experience.
He was truly a gift from the gods.

Yeah i kinda gree with wilberhum, Ghandi wanted peace and he knew about Islam. Does that mean he goes to hellfire?

 

[Noora_z3]

Yeah i kinda gree with wilberhum, Ghandi wanted peace and he knew about Islam. Does that mean he goes to hellfire?

This is off topic, anyways, thats up to Allah SWT. Never heard he converted to islam.