Are Christians civilized?

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Hello Malsidabym,

1. Riots and violent protests occur amongt the politically and socially disenfranchised citizens of third-world countries, while peaceful demonstrations and other more 'civilized' avenues of expressing one's views are found in developed countries. The issue here is not religion at all. A man living in a war-torn undeveloped country does nto have the same opportunities and avenues of expressing himself as a man living in an upper-class advanced society.

This is completely wrong. What about Ghandi's movement of non-violence which occured in A third world(at best) India?

Not surprisingly, you've misconstrued my point. I didn't say that it was impossible to have a peaceful protest if you live in a third world country; I said that those living in war-torn undeveloped areas do not have the same avenues and opportunities as those who live in upper-class societies. And the people of India were struggling for independence, they were not protesting against religious provocation.

That you overlooked these examples shows your bias and willingness to exclude obious examples which refute your assertions.

No, if you had carefully considered what you wrote you would have realized that the possibility of peaceful protest for indepence in third world countries was never negated by anything I said. But I suppose you're too caught up with your childish game of creating twenty accounts to think of that.

Wrong again. Vast numbers of muslims don't pray 5 times a day, many more hardly even go to masjihd on friday. Many muslims were born muslims, thus are ethnic muslims, while ignoring the religious doctrine and practices that observant muslims practice.

First, I never said that all Muslims pray five times a day! Re-read what I wrote! I was comparing the Christian to the Muslim that does pray five times a day, which is something mandated in Islam. Second, I find it amusing that you as a non-muslim presume that you are more aware regarding the practice of Muslims than someone who was born and raised in the community! I know far better than you the extent of the practice of the average Muslim in the community.

This is a very, very poor argument.

Yet, saying so does not make it so.

Regards

 

[mahdisoldier19]

Malsidab Keep Quiet for a good Week

 

[KAding]

First wen u guys quote Ghandi n how he freeded his country from British invasion, u better look at the whole picture. Ghandi did a lot but others (whom history tends to forget) did lots more than him, through diffrent means, like armed struggel n that sort, n
they r the ones who made it easier for him.

I disagree. It is part of it yes, but what brings down a democracy faster is mobilizing the citizens against government policies. Non-violence methods can be very effective in this.

If only some of the opressed Muslims would see that. They keep believing in violence, while they should really be fighting their wars through the media.

secondlt, lets check out which Islamic countris had the worst n the most voilent protest wen the Danish newspaper published those cartoons. Syria, Afghnistan, Bangladish....etc...wat do they have in common?

Now lets see which Islamic countirs had a very peaceful protest agains these Cartoons, GCC countirs, like Saudi, UAE...etc. Wat do they have in common?

It's a good point. People in these countries simply do not have a tradition of non-violent protest, something they would no doubt develop, regardless of religion, if they had a more pluralist system of government.

U say it like only 20% of Muslim population pray. Check ur facts, knowing lots of ppl who dont pray doesnt mean that majority of Muslims dont pray. I strongly refuse to accept that.

Opinion research among Dutch Muslims has shows a majority do indeed pray 'at least once a day'. For those of Turkish heritage the figure was 43% and for Morrocans about 74%. For younger people (18-30 years old) this dropped to 28% and 60% respectively.

Of course, this is based on surveys, so it's subjective data. It is not unlikely the value is in fact lower. But nevertheless the data has value and is obviously preferable to anecdotal evidence.

 

[nimrod]

Ansar Al-‘Adl, I won’t spend much time on this thread because it is stupid and bigoted in a number of ways, but:

“1. Riots and violent protests occur among the politically and socially disenfranchised citizens of third-world countries, while peaceful demonstrations and other more 'civilized' avenues of expressing one's views are found in developed countries. The issue here is not religion at all. A man living in a war-torn undeveloped country does not have the same opportunities and avenues of expressing himself as a man living in an upper-class advanced society.”

I am not so certain that your views explain the things that have occurred in Denmark of recent history.

To kind of rewrite an old saying, “If you can’t make it in Denmark (Peacefully co-exist) then you can’t make it any where”.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[extinction]

Salam.

I feel any topics raised here should be discussed in different threads.

As for the original post - Are Christians Civilised? I'd say yes and I'm everyone here agree's. The topics that are being discussed are not related to the original anymore.

I think I said this not too long ago?

 

[wilberhum]

I agree that “Riots and violent protests occur among the politically and socially disenfranchised citizens of third-world countries”. But as with all human activity, there is never a single cause or result. Governments that can be impacted by what the people want, i.e. democracies, are more prone to experience peaceful demonstrations. Also you will see less demonstrations of any kind where the governments punish descent, i.e. North Korea. Also, violence is more of a norm in some places than others.
Wouldn’t it be nice if life was simple, not.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

Ok lets have atleast one proper true islamic society under sharia and see whats happening on Order and Security

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Hi Nimrod,

Ansar Al-‘Adl, I won’t spend much time on this thread because it is stupid and bigoted in a number of ways, but:

“1. Riots and violent protests occur among the politically and socially disenfranchised citizens of third-world countries, while peaceful demonstrations and other more 'civilized' avenues of expressing one's views are found in developed countries. The issue here is not religion at all. A man living in a war-torn undeveloped country does not have the same opportunities and avenues of expressing himself as a man living in an upper-class advanced society.”

I am not so certain that your views explain the things that have occurred in Denmark of recent history.

I wasn't giving an absolute rule, I was simply pointing out the general trend. As for what has occurred in Denmark, each incident can be examined individually.

Hi Wilber,

I agree that “Riots and violent protests occur among the politically and socially disenfranchised citizens of third-world countries”. But as with all human activity, there is never a single cause or result. Governments that can be impacted by what the people want, i.e. democracies, are more prone to experience peaceful demonstrations. Also you will see less demonstrations of any kind where the governments punish descent, i.e. North Korea. Also, violence is more of a norm in some places than others.
Wouldn’t it be nice if life was simple, not.

No disagreement there.

Regards

 

[Alphaseed]

Just about all priests who committed these crimes are in Jail.That should be proof enough We Care

But I take issue with anyone who thinks the catholic church is christian.
The RCC is a cult by its own interpretation, and the furthest thing from true Christianity. Just like those who murder and say they belong to Islam, they are far from being of God.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

No one could of said it better than Alpha

 

[Nicola]

Just about all priests who committed these crimes are in Jail.That should be proof enough We Care

But I take issue with anyone who thinks the catholic church is christian.
The RCC is a cult by its own interpretation, and the furthest thing from true Christianity. Just like those who murder and say they belong to Islam, they are far from being of God.

Though I do know people who are Catholic and born again Christians...I do agree with you about the RCC.

 

[snakelegs]

Just about all priests who committed these crimes are in Jail.That should be proof enough We Care

But I take issue with anyone who thinks the catholic church is christian.
The RCC is a cult by its own interpretation, and the furthest thing from true Christianity. Just like those who murder and say they belong to Islam, they are far from being of God.

isn't a christian anyone who believes jesus is divine? catholics certainly believe in jesus, so i would definitely call them christians.

 

[cleo]

I'll have to disagree with you to a certain extent.Since you brought this up, heres a question for you - What has Christianity (in a practical/real life ruling) got to offer for people who commit adultery and fornication/kill people/talk lies/ false alligations and so on. Where is Christianity playing a role in stopping these uncivilized behavior of people?



It shoud not be that way then. Faith(Submission to God's Will) is more important than personal desires/opinions of people.

I have asked the same question, about sin, and the answer more than others is, Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and we are automatically forgiven. So don't worry, if you sin, ask forgiveness, and if you do it again, it is ok.....They are fools....

 

[mahdisoldier19]

yeah lets see so if i murder someone , i want the catholic church and pope to write that Jesus died on the cross for my sins so i could let go.

 

[glo]

yeah lets see so if i murder someone , i want the catholic church and pope to write that Jesus died on the cross for my sins so i could let go.

Is that what happens with people on death row in the US?

 

[hanifi]

"Verily, those who annoy Allah and his messenger (by, abusing or telling lie against Allah and his messenger), Allah has cursed them in this world, and in the hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating torment " [Al- Aahzaab 33:57]​

 

[mahdisoldier19]

Is that what happens with people on death row in the US?

No but to disrespect and say that A messanger of Allah swt one of the greatest messangers was his son and died on the cross for the sins of man.

Ah well i respect your belief in a way. I dont tolerate it, but i respect it

 

[Bittersteel]

there are more uncivilized Muslims than Christians.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

I dont know if theyre more uncivilized, because muslims dont bother other people. Its others who bother Muslims

 

[Kittygyal]

I dont know if theyre more uncivilized, because muslims dont bother other people. Its others who bother Muslims

salam.
erm..bro i won't agree with that because NOT all others bother muslims and am not going to lie but ''some'' muslims do bother othes
god knows the best
w.salam