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Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?
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I'm about to take him to school meaning EDUCATE him ? Then we can put this playing on words to Rest
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( Don't Believe Me . Check It Out ! )
Any reader of The Qur'aan that is familiar with the old testament , Or the new testament , Discovers that the names and events of the books and prophets have been definitely copied in The Qur'aan . I will now prove that the muslims teaching / language was copied from The Old Testament The Five Books Of Moses , / other cultures that predated them .
Yet . They will argue with anyone and try to convince people that Islam and its scriptures , The Quraan is Authentic . When in fact , I can give you serveral Words and Customs That was taken from from The Old Testament The Five Books Of Moses , / other cultures that predated them . For example , the ceremony of The Circumcision ( Genesis 17;10 ) .
The concept of a holy day called Sabbath ( Genesis 2 ; 2 -3 ) , And called Jum'ah ( Qur'aan , Chapter 62 ) by the muslims . The concept of a Turbaan or Prayer Cap , Which the muslims call a Kuffa , Came from The Jewish Yamala or Yarmulke . The concept of the muslim Kalimat Tawhiyd ( Qur'aan 47;19 ) . Was taken from the jews Shama Yishrael '' Hear Oh Israel '' ( Dueteronmoy 6 ; 4 and 4 ; 35 ) .
Where they took their Kalimat , Laa Ilaaha Illa Allah ( Qur'aan 47 ; 19 ) . And this was carried over to Christianity ( Mark 12 ; 29 ) . And that's where muslims borrowed it from . The took the concept of Fasting from the jews ( Nehemiah 9 ; 1 ) , The concept of Alms Giving ( Qur'aan 4 ; 162 ) , Their concept of making Hajj ( Ezra 3 ; 4 , 6 ; 22 ) .
What most muslims don't even know is that their whole concept of The Pilgrimage to their holy temple , A Cube shaped building ( Ka'aba ) in Mecca , Which they call The Hajj , And the person who completes The Pilgrimage is called A Hajji , Is a word duplicated from the name of Prophet Haggai and the festive Khag or Hag ( Exodus 12 ; 14 ) ,
This is when the children of Israel in The Book Of Ezra made a pilgrimage out of babylonian captivity , To return to the holy land back to the Temple of Solomon , The Holy of Holies , The most sacred building on earth to them . It's the exact same story , Even the same titles ; The took the concept of wearing The Ihraam from the jews ,
Who took it from The Ancient Egyptian practice of Priest of Amun-Ra , The concept of the story of Nimrod ( Qur'aan 2 ; 258 ) Was copied from The Jewish Narrative of The Mishnah from the Midrash Rabba Chapter 17 , The concept of wearing The Face Veil , Khimaar ( Genesis 24 ; 65 ) And wearing sweet smelling Oils Qituwrah meaning '' Sweet Fragrance
'' From Qehtoret And burning incense ( Exodus 30 ; 7 , 23 , 34 ) ; And they also took words like Sawkar meaning '' Strong Drink '' From the hebrews , And changed it to Sakhtaan meaning Drink '' The House 'Bayt of lord ( Qur'aan 106 ; 3 ) , Taken from hebrew Beth , The word Rabb, Meaning '' Master or Sustainer '' From Rabb , The word Jannah , From the aramic / hebrew Gan ,
The word Sama'a or Samaawaati , From aramic / hebrew '' Shamayim '' Meaning The Skies , '' The word Ard . Taken from the Aramic / Hebrew Ehrets , Meaning The Earth , Land , '' Baad , From The aramic / hebrew Bawb , Meaning '' Door , Aba , From the aramic / hebrew word Ab , Meaning Father, '' Malak , From the aramic / hebrew Melek , Meaning '' King or Ruler ,
'' Yad From the aramic / hebrew word Yawd , Meaning '' Hand '' , Amiyn , Amen , '' Mu'minun , Mu'minaati , El Mu'min Etc , One of Allahs attributes ( 6th ) was taken from the aramic / hebrew Awmane , Meaning '' To Have Faith , '' El Bariyu , The 12th Attribute , Meaning '' The Fashioner '' From the aramic / hebrew
'' Bara , Meaning '' To Replenish '' Al Musawwiru , The Fashioner , From the aramic / hebrew Tsawr Meaning '' To Make '' All of the Attributes of arabic was stolen from hebrew , Including Salaam , Islaam , Muslim All came from the Aramic / Hebrew word Shalom meaning '' Peace ,
Would you like another thread to school me in, since this is pertaining to the whether we as Muslims are obliged to raed the bible.
You can school me on whether the Qur'an was copied from the Bible, in a thread entitled 'I am schooling Eesa about the Qur'an'
Deal?
EDIT: Another question, is that from an anti Islamic website? I'd love to know.
You can school me on whether the Qur'an was copied from the Bible, in a thread entitled 'I am schooling Eesa about the Qur'an'
Deal?
EDIT: Another question, is that from an anti Islamic website? I'd love to know.
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With all do respect the above post does show where the Quraan was copied from , It also show why Muslims and Christians should read the Bible and Qur'aan to get a better overstanding of their Holy Books . Again I mean no disrespect here
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Can you please show me how my post anti Islamic other then you disagreeing with it .
Let's say I agree that the above shows that the Qur'an was copied, then it still doesnt show that according to the Islamic faith Muslim are obligated to read the Bible. It might show the Qur'an is not what it claims, but it doesnt show that the Qur'an or Muhammad told Muslims to read the Bible. And that is the point of the thread.
Well I asked if it was from an anti-Islamic site. I asked because I read something similar on one of them when I had just become Muslim.
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I have shown you in my other post where it tell muslim to read the Scriptures before the Quraan , And you didn't accept them that why I said < Lakum - Diinukum - Wa - Li - Ya - Diin - Meaning '' You will have your decision , And I will have mine . .. Obviously you have your mind made up about the Bible . But one thing is forsure if you had read the bible you would have know where your teaching come from '' Yes ''
If muslims and christians don't read each other holy books , How will they be able to overstand each other scriptures , Or speak about them , You can't speak about anything you haven't study / read True ? Overstand something just because some one doesn't agree does - not make them Anti-Anything . Meaning Anti - Christian / Muslims Etc , Etc .
It simply means I disagree no more no less .
Obviously you do not know me.
I try to follow and understand things, simply posing a verse which can be interpreted in a way which can accomodate both theories does not make one right or the other, rather supportiving evidence for each theory should be given.
For those who know me I do speak and I do change my mind if someone brings forth evidences, I remember a discussion on here about the view of Jesus being violent or not and posing forth theories with why they are right.
All I asked is that if someone brings and understanding forward with a verse and if that verse can accomodate more than one theory then supportive evidence should be brought as to why the theory is right.
If a Muslim reads the Bible in context I think they'd be more sure than ever that the Qur'an is from God.
That's be beauty a Muslim or Christian needs not to understand each other's scripture unless one is doing a study.
By the way the question still stands,
Another question, is that from an anti Islamic website? I'd love to know.
Regards Eesa
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Hi Al Habeshi:
I use 3 translations of the Koran for study; however, when quoting in this forum, I normally just cut and paste from the following site:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
They also have three translations: Yusuf Ali’s, Marmaduke Mohammad Pickthall’s, and M. H. Shakir’s.
Please therefore instruct me if there are more acceptable on-line translations.
Therefore the evidence remains that principal act is submission to God and not following an Islamic tradition. Christians submit to God and follow a Christian tradition.
Regards,
Grenville
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What make you feel I should know or want to know you , Did I miss something here . I Though this was a discussion nothing more .
( That's be beauty a Muslim or Christian needs not to understand each other's scripture unless one is doing a study. ) <> Now this is real funny you thinking you can speak for all muslims . I Know many muslim who read the Bible .
Your problem is you interpreted things the way you want them to be and not how they are . I gave you my answer on that anti -sillyness . And I Stand By It .
Let's let the people who read the above question de-side if Christians / Muslims should read the Bible / Qur'aan because your not qualify , Anyway enough time have been wasted answering your post , Your looking for some to agree with you .
By the way if you're strong in your Faith / Belief's why are you worrying about what those anti-Website say . Trying to lebel someone because they don't agree with you is kinda childlish don't you think !
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By the way everytime I try to start a new thread/ post I'm told it have to be check out by the Administrators / Moderators first .
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"Lakoum deenakoum wlya deen", doesn't denote to you, your decision and to me mine!-- perhaps making the grave mistake of mistranslating as such, would lead you to believe other erroneous "facts" ?
To know Arabic, is to know that the Quran stands apart from other scriptures--linguistically, stylistically, rhythmically, sequentially -- and in many aspects, contents that aren't in even mentioned in the previous scriptures-- an impossibility to have come from other than a divine source...
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Addendum
Dictionaries -
Arabic - English
and so
means the following:
credo , conviction , faith , tenet , rite , creed , religion
and not decision!
peace!
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القواميس
Arabic - English
دِين اســــــــــــم دِيَانَة , مُعْتَقَد , مَذْهَب
and so
credo , conviction , faith , tenet , rite , creed , religion
and not decision!
peace!
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One question ok How many DIALECT of Arabic are they , Are all them spell in the same way ?
In a discussion it might be good to know of the characteristics of a person if those characteristics are in a way related to the discussion. You stated:
Obviously you have your mind made up about the Bible .
So I said that you do not know me, since if you did then you'd know that I try to keep as open minded as possible. I'm not saying you need to know what my favouraite snack is.
Are you confused, did you see me saying that I speak for all Muslims or that I said ALL Muslims dont read the BIble?
As I said in my opinion Muslims or Christians DO NOT NEED, key word being need, to read each other's book, unless they are doing a study, maybe thats what your friends are doing.
What are you on about, I asked you what does something mean and you still havent shown evidence why you hold the meaning for that.
Are you telling me that when someone says believe in something it does not say how to believe in it, i.e. whether it is changed or not whether it is good or not, rather we have to look for the context and meaning?
All you said was:
Can you please show me how my post anti Islamic other then you disagreeing with it .
Did I ask you if it was anti Islamic or pro islamic or factual or fictional, I am asking where you got it from, you have not answered. Is it that hard?
Can't prove nothing so you cop out, you havent show nothing, you bring similarities and then say its proof.
I didn't say anyone was anything did I? I asked if that was where you got it from, thats all, don't be worried.
As for why do I worry about what sites say, because many others do not know and actually think they have proof against Islam and then dont learn about it, kind of like, they quote a verse, and then chose their own interpretation with no reason to back that up.
If you'd want to show your integrety you could just:
1. Show your evidence, quote it if you have already written it, for believing that the Qur'an says the Bible aint changed and where it says read it.
2. Just simply, yes or no answer as to whether you copied it from an anti islamic site, i.e. your 'proof' about the sources of Islam.
3. Engage in a 'presumption' free discussion with me about whether what you posted constitutes as proof of copying and whether the Qur'an was copied.
That's all.
If it was submission it would have been the world for submission right?
Furthermore Submission to Allah would mean to follow the Qur'an since it is what Allah has revealed, in the Qur'an we are told to follow the prophet, then this shows we follow him, so we dont just leave what he gave us.
And which one of those three had this:
3:85 actually says: And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.