Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

[جوري]

One question ok How many DIALECT of Arabic are they , Are all them spell in the same way ?

what does dialect have to do with anything? -- if I use "gonna" in American English, would it still deter from it meaning "going to"? the language of the Quran is not a dialect.. it is the most proper Arabic -- get any linguist to confirm that for you.. the Arabic of the Quran, is neither Moroccan, nor Egyptian nor Saudi-Arabian.. It is Arabic as Arabic should be!
The phrase that you have used is from the Quran, and thus, there can be no room for error over which dialect, or the whimsy of a different interpretation. it is what I have posted. I speak Arabic, do you?

peace!

 

[Balthasar21]

In a discussion it might be good to know of the characteristics of a person if those characteristics are in a way related to the discussion. You stated:

Obviously you have your mind made up about the Bible .

So I said that you do not know me, since if you did then you'd know that I try to keep as open minded as possible. I'm not saying you need to know what my favouraite snack is.




Are you confused, did you see me saying that I speak for all Muslims or that I said ALL Muslims dont read the BIble?

As I said in my opinion Muslims or Christians DO NOT NEED, key word being need, to read each other's book, unless they are doing a study, maybe thats what your friends are doing.




What are you on about, I asked you what does something mean and you still havent shown evidence why you hold the meaning for that.

Are you telling me that when someone says believe in something it does not say how to believe in it, i.e. whether it is changed or not whether it is good or not, rather we have to look for the context and meaning?




All you said was:

Can you please show me how my post anti Islamic other then you disagreeing with it .

Did I ask you if it was anti Islamic or pro islamic or factual or fictional, I am asking where you got it from, you have not answered. Is it that hard?



Can't prove nothing so you cop out, you havent show nothing, you bring similarities and then say its proof.



I didn't say anyone was anything did I? I asked if that was where you got it from, thats all, don't be worried.

As for why do I worry about what sites say, because many others do not know and actually think they have proof against Islam and then dont learn about it, kind of like, they quote a verse, and then chose their own interpretation with no reason to back that up.

If you'd want to show your integrety you could just:

1. Show your evidence, quote it if you have already written it, for believing that the Qur'an says the Bible aint changed and where it says read it.

2. Just simply, yes or no answer as to whether you copied it from an anti islamic site, i.e. your 'proof' about the sources of Islam.

3. Engage in a 'presumption' free discussion with me about whether what you posted constitutes as proof of copying and whether the Qur'an was copied.

That's all.

Relax you sound up set take a chill pill ok , If anyone confused here is you , The diffrent between you and I , You need belief / faith / believe I deal in fact's . When one has to believe that mean He / She doesn't know only believe , And you don't KNOW you only believe you know something . I see why you P.M. telling me why post need approval your lock into the zone / box and can't deal with people answer / question because it doesn't fall in line with your belief's system . You can't be that caught up in yourself to think I care if you read the bible or not . Anti-Website LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL You couldn't come up with nothing better then That LOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Balthasar21]

In a discussion it might be good to know of the characteristics of a person if those characteristics are in a way related to the discussion. You stated:

Obviously you have your mind made up about the Bible .

So I said that you do not know me, since if you did then you'd know that I try to keep as open minded as possible. I'm not saying you need to know what my favouraite snack is.




Are you confused, did you see me saying that I speak for all Muslims or that I said ALL Muslims dont read the BIble?

As I said in my opinion Muslims or Christians DO NOT NEED, key word being need, to read each other's book, unless they are doing a study, maybe thats what your friends are doing.




What are you on about, I asked you what does something mean and you still havent shown evidence why you hold the meaning for that.

Are you telling me that when someone says believe in something it does not say how to believe in it, i.e. whether it is changed or not whether it is good or not, rather we have to look for the context and meaning?




All you said was:

Can you please show me how my post anti Islamic other then you disagreeing with it .

Did I ask you if it was anti Islamic or pro islamic or factual or fictional, I am asking where you got it from, you have not answered. Is it that hard?



Can't prove nothing so you cop out, you havent show nothing, you bring similarities and then say its proof.



I didn't say anyone was anything did I? I asked if that was where you got it from, thats all, don't be worried.

As for why do I worry about what sites say, because many others do not know and actually think they have proof against Islam and then dont learn about it, kind of like, they quote a verse, and then chose their own interpretation with no reason to back that up.

If you'd want to show your integrety you could just:

1. Show your evidence, quote it if you have already written it, for believing that the Qur'an says the Bible aint changed and where it says read it.

2. Just simply, yes or no answer as to whether you copied it from an anti islamic site, i.e. your 'proof' about the sources of Islam.

3. Engage in a 'presumption' free discussion with me about whether what you posted constitutes as proof of copying and whether the Qur'an was copied.

That's all.

If their any reson why muslims should read the bible etc etc . it because of you . And that's not an insult

 

[جوري]

I am not following your soliloquy here with bros Al Habashi -- but I'd say you have perfectly described yourself here and projected ... your knowledge of Islam is superficial, your grip on Arabic is laughable-- and your comments in general are pedantic---
if you couldn't post here, why are we seeing and reading your barrage of tasteless insults to other members?

Everyone needs to get their topics approved in this section, Muslim or not.. Many of my posts aren't chosen or approved for the day.. some even make it to the recycling bin I am not grieved by it!... there is really no reason to highlight your paranoia...

peace!

 

[Umar001]

Relax you sound up set take a chill pill ok , If anyone confused here is you , The diffrent between you and I , You need belief / faith / believe I deal in fact's . When one has to believe that mean He / She doesn't know only believe , And you don't KNOW you only believe you know something . I see why you P.M. telling me why post need approval your lock into the zone / box and can't deal with people answer / question because it doesn't fall in line with your belief's system . You can't be that caught up in yourself to think I care if you read the bible or not . Anti-Website LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL You couldn't come up with nothing better then That LOLOLOLOLOL

See what you are actually doing is avoiding answering, as for the pm, I pm'd you out of curtosy to explain the situation, the type of threads which we have had is people challenging and insulting others.

You see, you have only proved yourself to be lacking in integrety and stacture, the smart man is the one who is able to say 'I do not know' not neccesarily the one who avoids questions and proclaims 'LOLOLOLOLOLOL' without having answered.

If their any reson why muslims should read the bible etc etc . it because of you . And that's not an insult

Your lack of ability to answer coherently results in you posting such things. You see, if only you would be able to stand up and provide truth for your claims.

You brushed off my question about the source with the continious side steps and LOLOLs. Then claimed: You couldn't come up with nothing better then That You obviously missed my challenge to you to open a thread and ask me about that in there, I openly proclaimed that. I quote:

Would you like another thread to school me in, since this is pertaining to the whether we as Muslims are obliged to raed the bible.

You can school me on whether the Qur'an was copied from the Bible, in a thread entitled 'I am schooling Eesa about the Qur'an'

Deal?

EDIT: Another question, is that from an anti Islamic website? I'd love to know.

You've yet to take that up. You are showing yourself to lack integrety, manners, certain knowledge and maturity.

With regards to your statement:

I see why you P.M. telling me why post need approval your lock into the zone / box and can't deal with people answer / question because it doesn't fall in line with your belief's system .

This shows your immaturity and lack of knowledge, let me refer you to some threads which have been approved and are actually posing questions and refuting Muslims:

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/42922-moses-injil-2.html#post744736

Is a refutation to a claim that Muhammad is mentioned in the Bible. Has it been deleted? Is it locked? No, does it agree with the muslim here, no. Well.

http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...-upon-him-prophecised-other-scriptures-6.html

This thread too is flowing with people trying to refute some Muslim statements.

I mean it is clear to anyone who comes here, ask the non Muslims? You know what is interesting, some of the more 'zealous' Muslims actually get angry at us for letting some non Muslims speak too freely lol.

Regards,

Eesa.

P.S. If I do ever want to silence you, I will, and I will tell anyone here, the reasons for me doing so would be justified.

 

[Walter]

Hi Al Habeshi:

I quoted from Marmaduke Mohammad Pickthall’s translation. Did you not access the link that I provided?

3:85 - And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.

As I previously mentioned, Christians submit to God and follow a Christian tradition. However, we must all to graduate from our traditions to develop a personal relationship with God.

Regards,
Grenville

p.s. Why do these threads attract extraneous banter?

 

[Balthasar21]

See what you are actually doing is avoiding answering, as for the pm, I pm'd you out of curtosy to explain the situation, the type of threads which we have had is people challenging and insulting others.

You see, you have only proved yourself to be lacking in integrety and stacture, the smart man is the one who is able to say 'I do not know' not neccesarily the one who avoids questions and proclaims 'LOLOLOLOLOLOL' without having answered.



Your lack of ability to answer coherently results in you posting such things. You see, if only you would be able to stand up and provide truth for your claims.

You brushed off my question about the source with the continious side steps and LOLOLs. Then claimed: You couldn't come up with nothing better then That You obviously missed my challenge to you to open a thread and ask me about that in there, I openly proclaimed that. I quote:



You've yet to take that up. You are showing yourself to lack integrety, manners, certain knowledge and maturity.

With regards to your statement:

I see why you P.M. telling me why post need approval your lock into the zone / box and can't deal with people answer / question because it doesn't fall in line with your belief's system .

This shows your immaturity and lack of knowledge, let me refer you to some threads which have been approved and are actually posing questions and refuting Muslims:

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/42922-moses-injil-2.html#post744736

Is a refutation to a claim that Muhammad is mentioned in the Bible. Has it been deleted? Is it locked? No, does it agree with the muslim here, no. Well.

http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...-upon-him-prophecised-other-scriptures-6.html

This thread too is flowing with people trying to refute some Muslim statements.

I mean it is clear to anyone who comes here, ask the non Muslims? You know what is interesting, some of the more 'zealous' Muslims actually get angry at us for letting some non Muslims speak too freely lol.

Regards,

Eesa.

P.S. If I do ever want to silence you, I will, and I will tell anyone here, the reasons for me doing so would be justified.

First you can never silence me you can banned me that's about it . And the only reson you would banned me is because you can deal with what I post and you know this , Anyone other then those who agree with you know I have answer your question . You think because your Moderators you can insult people and get away with it . If your looking for me to tell you what you want to hear when your wrong you might as well forget it . All this because I wouldn't agree with you , You ought to be a shame to call yourself a muslims .


Here A CHALLENGE / QUESTION for you and you can get anyone you want to help you to answer the question ok. Post this question ok being your Moderator it shouldn't be a problem right .


Question ; Are Muslims another sect of Christians ?
None of your fast talking ok we're going to let the scriptures teach ok .
No more of your Sermon / Testimony Etc Etc , You speak of immaturity Yes . Let see if you take the CHALLENGE / QUESTION .

 

[Balthasar21]

I am not following your soliloquy here with bros Al Habashi -- but I'd say you have perfectly described yourself here and projected ... your knowledge of Islam is superficial, your grip on Arabic is laughable-- and your comments in general are pedantic---
if you couldn't post here, why are we seeing and reading your barrage of tasteless insults to other members?

Everyone needs to get their topics approved in this section, Muslim or not.. Many of my posts aren't chosen or approved for the day.. some even make it to the recycling bin I am not grieved by it!... there is really no reason to highlight your paranoia...

peace!

Maybe you can help habashi out being you agree with him it cool . maybe we can stop some of this back and forward sillyness .

 

[Umar001]

First you can never silence me you can banned me that's about it . And the only reson you would banned me is because you can deal with what I post and you know this , Anyone other then those who agree with you know I have answer your question .

You can think that if it makes you feel good, I don't mind at all. The proof is in the pudding as the British say. If you have answered again just quote the links that is all, and I will reply, and ask, if you dont like people asking you stuff then maybe a discussion board isnt the best places.

You think because your Moderators you can insult people and get away with it .

Come on, I haven't insulted you. If I have I apologise but I dont think I have ever.

If your looking for me to tell you what you want to hear when your wrong you might as well forget it . All this because I wouldn't agree with you , You ought to be a shame to call yourself a muslims

All this is because you did not bring proof, you stated your theory and I just wondered why, and when I asked, you seemed to get annoyed, or something. and started LOLOLOLin and so forth. Many here do not agree with me, ask Grace Seeker a Christian, he knows it, me and him debate things all the time, I never deleted his post nor ever silenced him.

Here A CHALLENGE / QUESTION for you and you can get anyone you want to help you to answer the question ok. Post this question ok being your Moderator it shouldn't be a problem right.

Question ; Are Muslims another sect of Christians ?
None of your fast talking ok we're going to let the scriptures teach ok .
No more of your Sermon / Testimony Etc Etc , You speak of immaturity Yes . Let see if you take the CHALLENGE / QUESTION .

Why do you want to move onto another thing whilst not resolved the first things.

For example, you still want to discuss your Theory that the Qur'an copied from the Bible? And there is still the question of whether you got the info from the Anti Islamic site? And also there is still the back up for your theory about your understanding of 'believe' within the context.

Are they another sect of Christianity, I do not think so if we are speaking in the conventional term.

Care to answer the three points now?

Eesa

 

[MustafaMc]

Hi Everyone:

Please review my understanding of this matter.

1. The Koran notes that Christians and Jews who live in accordance with their Books will not go to hell.

2. Those Books that were around during the time of Mohammed are available to us today.

3. The Koran encourages Muslims to study those Books that were previously sent to the Israelites and Christians. Therefore further confirming that the Koran was referring to Books were available during that time.

Regards,
Grenville

Please, be so kind as to provide surah (chapter) and ayat (verse) where this is stated.

 

[MustafaMc]

That is true.


Too late, as a former Christian I had memorized very much of the Bible. Now it is more like I need to use the Qur'an to undo erroneous beliefs I had and need to weed out the source of those beliefs. Old memories do not fade they need to be faced and corrected.

I have read the Bible as a Christian and both the Bible and the Quran as a Muslim. I don't see a need to read the Bible to undo former beliefs and I certainly don't read it for guidance. In the Bible, I now look for both the glaring errors and the glimmers of truth that I can use to communicate the Message of Islam to Christians. I get much more insight from reading the Quran as a Muslim than I ever did from the Bible as a Christian.

 

[MustafaMc]

The Quran claims that NO ONE can change the Word of God.
Sura 6:34; 10:34

Quran 6:34 Many Rasools before you were denied but patiently bore with their denial and persecution until Our help came down to them: for none can change the decrees of Allah. You have already received the news of what happened to those Rasools. Decree - an authoritative order having legal force. Other translations of this ayat say decisions, promises, words.

Quran 10:34 Ask them: "Can any of your shoraka' (the deities you worship besides Allah) create anything and then repeat its process?" If they do not answer, then tell them: "Well, Allah creates and then repeats the process. Then how is that you are so misled?" How is this relevant to your point?

In 1064, Ibn-Khazem, FIRST charged that the Bible had been
corrupted and the Bible falsified. This charge was to defend
Islam against Christianity because Ibn-Khazem come upon
differences and contradiction between the Bible and the
Quran. Believing, by faith that the Quran was true, the Bible
must then be false. He said, "Since the Quran must be true it
must be the conflicting Gospel texts that are false. But
Muhammad tells us to respect the Gospel. Therefore, the
present text must have been falsified by the Christians after
the time of Muhammad."
His argument was not based on any evidence or historical facts
but only on his personal faith, reasoning and desire to
safeguard the Quran.
This led him to teach that, "The Christians lost the revealed
Gospel except for a few traces which God has left intact as
argument against them.

No, actually, the Quran does - Quran 2:78-79 Among them there are some illiterates who do not know their Holy Book; they follow their own desires and do nothing but conjecture. Woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say: "This is from Allah," so that they may sell it for a petty price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they have earned.

Many great MUSLIM teachers DO NOT believe the Bible has been
corrupted and ACCEPT the authenticity of our PRESENT New
Testament texts.

a. Ali al-Tabari (died 855) accepted the Gospel texts
b. Amr al-Ghakhiz (869) " " " "
c. BUKHARI (810-870) " " " "
(he gathered some of the earliest tradition of Islam
quoted the Quran itself to support his belief in the text
of the Bible Sura 3:72,78)

Quran 3:72 Some of the People of the Book say to one another: "Believe in what is revealed to the believers (Muslims) in the morning and deny it in the evening; so that they (the Muslims) may follow suit and abandon their faith. This does not prove your point. This is a warning against "People of the Book" such as yourself that try to lead Muslims astray.

Quran 3:78 There are some among them who twist their tongues pretending a quote from their Holy Book; so that you may think that what they read is a part of the Book, whereas, in fact it is not a part of the Book. They also assert, "It is from Allah" whereas, in fact it is not from Allah. Thus they deliberately ascribe a lie to Allah. Again this is showing the deception and lies by People of the Book regarding the "Word of Allah".

d. Al-Mas'udi (956) " " " "
e. Abu Ali Husain Bin Sina (1037)" " "
f. AL-GHAZZALI (1111) " " " "
(probably the greatest Muslim scholar he lived after Ibn-
Khazem but did not accept his teachings)
g. Ibn-Khaldun (1406) " " " " " "
(he lived after Ibn-Khazem but did not accept his
teachings but rather believed the earlier Islamic
teachers.)
h. Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan, founder of the Aligarh College
"In the opinion of us Mohammedans it is not proved that
corruption (tahrif-i-lafzi)...was practiced."
i. Fakhruddin Razi, on the authority of Ibn Abbas, a nephew
of Muhammed, "The Jews and early Christians were
suspected of altering the text of the Taurat and Injil;
but in the opinion of eminent doctors and theologians it
was not practicable thus to corrupt the text, because
those Scriptures were generally known and widely
circulated, having been handed down from generation to
generation."

How is any of this relevant to your point. NOWHERE does it say in the Quran, "So study the Bible and seek guidance from it." That is because it ain't there. Unless you can find an ayat that I have overlooked, stop making this false claim!

 

[Balthasar21]

You can think that if it makes you feel good, I don't mind at all. The proof is in the pudding as the British say. If you have answered again just quote the links that is all, and I will reply, and ask, if you dont like people asking you stuff then maybe a discussion board isnt the best places.



Come on, I haven't insulted you. If I have I apologise but I dont think I have ever.




All this is because you did not bring proof, you stated your theory and I just wondered why, and when I asked, you seemed to get annoyed, or something. and started LOLOLOLin and so forth. Many here do not agree with me, ask Grace Seeker a Christian, he knows it, me and him debate things all the time, I never deleted his post nor ever silenced him.




Why do you want to move onto another thing whilst not resolved the first things.

For example, you still want to discuss your Theory that the Qur'an copied from the Bible? And there is still the question of whether you got the info from the Anti Islamic site? And also there is still the back up for your theory about your understanding of 'believe' within the context.

Are they another sect of Christianity, I do not think so if we are speaking in the conventional term.

Care to answer the three points now?

Eesa

Now this is the deal ok I have given you VERSE where it tell muslims to read the scriptures before the Quraan , Now if you can't overstand that the scriptures were El's Torah / El's Holy Injiyl Etc , Then that's on you , I also have use these same scriptures to prove where your teaching came verse by verse again you find it hard to accepted because you can't deal with the truth , So you try to flip things by asking if I got my information from some anti-websites to change the subject ,

Then you threaten to silence me but what what your really mean you would banned me , What it boil down to is you can let it go . Meaning you can't agree to disagree . All your little Sermons / Testimony about who you debated / discuss with before I came to the forum really mean nothing other then they disagree with you too those who did so what .

What so funny is the verse that I gave you showing that the Quraan was copy from the Torah Were written before the Quraan , And they so happen to be in the Quraan , Yet you're still deny it . LOLOLOL now that deep . Now those who have been follow this post know what I'm saying in true . Any Christian or muslims who can read can see the compairson , If they take the blinder off . That's why I said in one of the above post if Christian or muslims would read the Bible and Quraan themselves and not let people like you try to force their belief's on them , That wouldN'T have to use words like I BELIEVE THIS OR THAT , All they have to give chapter and verse and say this is what your God saying .


Now unless you're going to threaten to silence / banned me again , or keep saying I'm geting my information from some anti-website to change the subject at hand . I will show why Christian and muslims should read the Bible and Quraan that's if your not afraid . Those muslims who will agree will those who wont will not .

 

[جوري]

Maybe you can help habashi out being you agree with him it cool . maybe we can stop some of this back and forward sillyness .

You are on your own-- while at it, work on your vocabulary, grammar, Quranic Knowledge,, (Arabic), and people skills

Peace!

 

[Balthasar21]

You are on your own-- while at it, work on your vocabulary, grammar, Quranic Knowledge,, (Arabic), and people skills

Peace!

Ahhhhhhhh man

 

[Umar001]

Now this is the deal ok I have given you VERSE where it tell muslims to read the scriptures before the Quraan , Now if you can't overstand that the scriptures were El's Torah / El's Holy Injiyl Etc , Then that's on you , I also have use these same scriptures to prove where your teaching came verse by verse again you find it hard to accepted because you can't deal with the truth , So you try to flip things by asking if I got my information from some anti-websites to change the subject ,

If I had said 'I will not answer it because you copied it from such and such a place' that would be me coppin out. But I said I will answer you in another thread, I just aked where it came from, which you cant seem to reply, I wonder what that indicates.

As for your verses I asked you for the last couple of posts to please quote them to me, your posts, so that I can read the verses. You say you have given me the verse where it says Muslims read the Qur'an but if you look I have been asking you to show me, because I have not seen that post.

Then you threaten to silence me but what what your really mean you would banned me , What it boil down to is you can let it go . Meaning you can't agree to disagree . All your little Sermons / Testimony about who you debated / discuss with before I came to the forum really mean nothing other then they disagree with you too those who did so what .

I can agree to disagree but why do so if your so convienced, I have asked to discuss it but you keep moving from the subject. I asked three simple points, you write replies about knowing me and threats that I have given and so forth but not those points, pretty amazing.

What so funny is the verse that I gave you showing that the Quraan was copy from the Torah Were written before the Quraan , And they so happen to be in the Quraan , Yet you're still deny it .

You have not even heard why I deny it yet you laugh, that is a sign of lack of understanding, it might just be that I deny it because of reasons unknown to you, but no, its ok, if you wanna think your right, dont take up my point of making a new thread to skool me as you put it, you talk and talk yet cant do simple actions, now that is what is deep.

Now those who have been follow this post know what I'm saying in true . Any Christian or muslims who can read can see the compairson , If they take the blinder off . That's why I said in one of the above post if Christian or muslims would read the Bible and Quraan themselves and not let people like you try to force their belief's on them , That wouldN'T have to use words like I BELIEVE THIS OR THAT , All they have to give chapter and verse and say this is what your God saying .

All I have argued from the start is for people to read in context, to analyse their theories and beliefs, including myself! But you feel this is forcing beliefs on others? Who would have known putting things in context and establishing proofs are bad things. Maybe you just want to blindly belief if that's your point of view that you just belief in anything thats ok.

Now unless you're going to threaten to silence / banned me again , or keep saying I'm geting my information from some anti-website to change the subject at hand . I will show why Christian and muslims should read the Bible and Quraan that's if your not afraid . Those muslims who will agree will those who wont will not .

I have been asking you to show it for the last God knows how long, lol, I didnt instigate the thread, I told you if I wanted I could, but as most people here know I have never done so, and many of them have put forth better arguements than a couple of similarities.

Please show where I said that you got your information from an anti islamic website.

keep saying I'm geting my information from some anti-website to change the subject at hand .

Now please provide the quote.

I have never used it to change the subject, look:

Would you like another thread to school me in, since this is pertaining to the whether we as Muslims are obliged to raed the bible.

You can school me on whether the Qur'an was copied from the Bible, in a thread entitled 'I am schooling Eesa about the Qur'an'

Deal?

EDIT: Another question, is that from an anti Islamic website? I'd love to know.

Thats the original challenge, I told you, You can school me on whether the Qur'an was copied from the Bible, in a thread entitled 'I am schooling Eesa about the Qur'an'

I had to repeat and repeat,

By the way the question still stands,

Another question, is that from an anti Islamic website? I'd love to know.

Regards Eesa

Well I asked if it was from an anti-Islamic site. I asked because I read something similar on one of them when I had just become Muslim.

Notice I asked, not stated that it came from one. Amazingly you havent ever answered if it did, neither a yes nor a no.



Eesa.

 

[Balthasar21]

If I had said 'I will not answer it because you copied it from such and such a place' that would be me coppin out. But I said I will answer you in another thread, I just aked where it came from, which you cant seem to reply, I wonder what that indicates.

As for your verses I asked you for the last couple of posts to please quote them to me, your posts, so that I can read the verses. You say you have given me the verse where it says Muslims read the Qur'an but if you look I have been asking you to show me, because I have not seen that post.



I can agree to disagree but why do so if your so convienced, I have asked to discuss it but you keep moving from the subject. I asked three simple points, you write replies about knowing me and threats that I have given and so forth but not those points, pretty amazing.



You have not even heard why I deny it yet you laugh, that is a sign of lack of understanding, it might just be that I deny it because of reasons unknown to you, but no, its ok, if you wanna think your right, dont take up my point of making a new thread to skool me as you put it, you talk and talk yet cant do simple actions, now that is what is deep.



All I have argued from the start is for people to read in context, to analyse their theories and beliefs, including myself! But you feel this is forcing beliefs on others? Who would have known putting things in context and establishing proofs are bad things. Maybe you just want to blindly belief if that's your point of view that you just belief in anything thats ok.




I have been asking you to show it for the last God knows how long, lol, I didnt instigate the thread, I told you if I wanted I could, but as most people here know I have never done so, and many of them have put forth better arguements than a couple of similarities.

Please show where I said that you got your information from an anti islamic website.



Now please provide the quote.

I have never used it to change the subject, look:



Thats the original challenge, I told you, You can school me on whether the Qur'an was copied from the Bible, in a thread entitled 'I am schooling Eesa about the Qur'an'

I had to repeat and repeat,





Notice I asked, not stated that it came from one. Amazingly you havent ever answered if it did, neither a yes nor a no.



Eesa.

Go back to the beginning and read the post if your interested , I'm not changeing anything , Later for your stalling game . You can ether agree / disagree .

I'm going to answer the post Is Islam a continuation of Christianity?
Those who will agree will agree , those who disagree and have knowldge of the Bible and Quraan can try and disprove what I'm saying by useing chapter / verse later for this sillyness . Now if you can't deal with the truth / facts remove the post .

 

[NoName55]

Now this is the deal ok I have given you VERSE where it tell muslims to read the scriptures before the Quraan , Now if you can't overstand that the scriptures were El's Torah / El's Holy Injiyl Etc , Then that's on you , I also have use these same scriptures to prove where your teaching came verse by verse again you find it hard to accepted because you can't deal with the truth , So you try to flip things by asking if I got my information from some anti-websites to change the subject ,

Then you threaten to silence me but what what your really mean you would banned me , What it boil down to is you can let it go . Meaning you can't agree to disagree . All your little Sermons / Testimony about who you debated / discuss with before I came to the forum really mean nothing other then they disagree with you too those who did so what .

What so funny is the verse that I gave you showing that the Quraan was copy from the Torah Were written before the Quraan , And they so happen to be in the Quraan , Yet you're still deny it . LOLOLOL now that deep . Now those who have been follow this post know what I'm saying in true . Any Christian or muslims who can read can see the compairson , If they take the blinder off . That's why I said in one of the above post if Christian or muslims would read the Bible and Quraan themselves and not let people like you try to force their belief's on them , That wouldN'T have to use words like I BELIEVE THIS OR THAT , All they have to give chapter and verse and say this is what your God saying .


Now unless you're going to threaten to silence / banned me again , or keep saying I'm geting my information from some anti-website to change the subject at hand . I will show why Christian and muslims should read the Bible and Quraan that's if your not afraid . Those muslims who will agree will those who wont will not .

Since Torah was given to Kaleemullah Hazrat Musa AlaiSalaam By The Creator of this universe, why would it not concur with or be similar to Quraan since that is also kalamullah?

BTW If you dont mind me asking;are you an Iranian Jew or Shia? or have I got it wrong and you are a trouble making copt?

 

[Umar001]

Please, I think a thread will be made soon 'schooling' me about the source of the Qur'an, lets leave alternative theories to that thread.

Eesa

 

[NoName55]

"alternative theories"?

And there was me believing that Allah Ta'ala is the source for both the Torah and Qura'an