Atheists and vegetarianism

[Pygoscelis]

Explanation Given:

You do not seem to understand atheism. Atheism is not a coherent, or self-consistent ideology - it is merely a position. All every atheist has in common is simply that they do not believe that a God exists. There is no social, ethical, political or moral system involved with atheism or coherent set of beliefs outlined in some obscure manifesto - it is just a descriptive term used to refer to those who hold no belief in a deity. It literally means "without God".

Explanation Ignored:

Whatever!

Explanation Asked for:

How does an atheist define morality?

*crickets chirping*

 

[Justufy]

Nope all Muslims on board are your hosts.. Muslims aren't going to prefer a kaffir over a Muslim least of which the belligerent sort! .. we are one for all and all for one!

I managed to found this peice and pardon me for interrupting but...


Lets analyse this en profondeur, By this small bit of a post we can see what kind of an attitude is present here, ''muslims no matter how much they insult members on this board will not be held accountable or even punished or corrected by the rules of this forum because ''Muslims aren't going to prefer a kaffir over a Muslim''

Skavau to my knowledge has engaged with this user with honesty and has made many worthy points, however the same cannot be said of this other user who has engaged in arrogant and insulting behaviour, but none of this matters.

Forum rules and other net regulation are not that important, the same goes for the users on any board over the internet.

However when out of curiosity I try to imagine a world that would be run with the same attitude, a reality where someone would be above the law for simply belonging to a certain religion and where inequality would be created by this belonging, a world where murder or rape ( replace the insults by these) of someone that is of a different religion and opposing oppinion would not matter because that person would be considered worthless from the start. I can’t help but have an overwhelming feeling of fear that takes hold of me.

 

[Skavau]

Doesn't change the fact of the matter!

It actually does. You claimed that "It isn't up to 'Europe' to decide if its body of citizens are passively converting to Islam and at some point cause a shift in ideals!"

However, I did not mean Europe, I meant Europeans and I would say that it certainly ought to be up to Europeans as to what they are governed by.

how amusing!

I'll take that as yet another concession. You don't know what I think because, and you've admitted this - do not listen.

putting gibber together doesn't constitute logical consistency, no relation of parts!

And neither does responding with "disgusting" constitute a rebuttal.

Nope all Muslims on board are your hosts.. Muslims aren't going to prefer a kaffir over a Muslim least of which the belligerent sort! .. we are one for all and all for one!

Whether or not this group-thought you espouse is scripturally true or not, you are not a moderator. You do not and have not been given the capacity to tell me what to do. You have not been given permission to insult people on here, and I suspect further that some on here would say that having a single member doing nothing but insulting and talking down to non-muslims on here portrays a rather bad image and does more damage than good.

telling you how it is matter of fact doesn't constitute an insult.. I know how much you (collectively) enjoy crying wolf when at a loss for substance!

Whether or not you tell me how it is doesn't excuse you from the reality that, and you have also admitted this - insult people.

And that is against the forum ethos.

What forum rules are those?

These

I suggest you pay particular attention to the following:

9. Beef will not be tolerated in any forum. Differences in opinion are expected, but please debate respectfully. (Beef are comments made for the purpose of insulting somebody else with negative intent, looking for a negative reaction, or blatantly insulting somebody)

14. Do not upload, post or otherwise transmit any contents that is unlawful (haram), harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libellous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable.

I think it is very acceptable to expose you for the trolls that you are absolutely and I think the sentiment is shared by most Muslims even those who exercise better tolerance!

You appear to be the only person who thinks this.

whatever you have to tell yourself to get through this!

"To get through this!" What you think I am in a crisis of identity, or something?

secular: Of or relating to the doctrine that rejects religion and religious considerations
look up things before you write.. now if you don't find it 'anti-religious' why do you protest so much when religion is brought to the door?

That is a crude definition, for which you have bought no source to the table for. In any case, a doctrine that reject religion is not necessarily anti-religious. Secularism does reject religious rule.

I believe I gave you that definition a few pages ago and you didn't like it!

Did you? When? Even if you did, you then contradict an original claim you made which was to say that morality was about being obedient to God.

there isn't any perceivable difference!

Eh? Are you saying there's no difference between atheists and atheism?

with you anything goes!

No it doesn't. I've explained that.

do computers self-assemble on their own volition?

No, and I never claimed that.

 

[جوري]

It actually does. You claimed that "It isn't up to 'Europe' to decide if its body of citizens are passively converting to Islam and at some point cause a shift in ideals!"

And how does this change things in your mind?

However, I did not mean Europe, I meant Europeans and I would say that it certainly ought to be up to Europeans as to what they are governed by.

Indeed and as such when there is a shift in religion there will be a shift in priorities

I'll take that as yet another concession. You don't know what I think because, and you've admitted this - do not listen.

you have nothing of substance to impart, I don't even recognize you as a contender to make a concession.. but you are good for comic relief!

And neither does responding with "disgusting" constitute a rebuttal.

It wasn't meant as a rebuttal rather an honorable annotation!

Whether or not this group-thought you espouse is scripturally true or not, you are not a moderator. You do not and have not been given the capacity to tell me what to do. You have not been given permission to insult people on here, and I suspect further that some on here would say that having a single member doing nothing but insulting and talking down to non-muslims on here portrays a rather bad image and does more damage than good.

firstly show me where you have been insulted I think the lot of you have rather been treated with kid gloves on another forum you'd not have lasted a week!
2- I'll tell you what to do in the capacity that I am concerned with.
3- One doesn't need to be a moderator to point out mindless drivel
4- I was offered the job of the mod long ago and I declined it. A mod is someone who intercedes but it doesn't involve any of the other factors or the limitations that you desire unfortunately as such I'll say it again, if you don't like it here, don't be a member here.. if you don't like engaging a particular member here then don't!

Whether or not you tell me how it is doesn't excuse you from the reality that, and you have also admitted this - insult people.

Again, you have failed to show the so-called 'insults' but you can always start a support group for you and others where you scrub each other's backs and lick each other's wounds

And that is against the forum ethos.


These

Indeed I don't see how they are applicable here!

I suggest you pay particular attention to the following:

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You appear to be the only person who thinks this.

You appear to have a both comprehension and reading impediment I see nothing in my posts that would indicate any of what you have just quoted!

"To get through this!" What you think I am in a crisis of identity, or something?

I am not here for your CBT!

That is a crude definition, for which you have bought no source to the table for. In any case, a doctrine that reject religion is not necessarily anti-religious. Secularism does reject religious rule.

Then why do you object to rule by theology if you are not 'anti-religious' .. I should point out by the way that this goes along the same lines you use whenever one points out the ills of 'homosexuality' where you often resort to the two things you know best 1- homophobia 2- consent.. as if at a loss for anything of merit to impart!

Did you? When? Even if you did, you then contradict an original claim you made which was to say that morality was about being obedient to God.

I never said obedience to God, this is something that your mind can't let go of because you don't have the mental capacity unfortunately to process what was written outside your atheist agenda and manifesto.. makes it tedious to engage you or others like you all together!

Eh? Are you saying there's no difference between atheists and atheism?

I don't care to know if there is a difference, you are what you do and the majority of you encountered do and think along the same lines.

No it doesn't. I've explained that.

You haven't!

No, and I never claimed that.

Oh good, then perhaps an obvious conclusion can be drawn in a similar setting of a different quality!

all the best

 

[Skavau]

firstly show me where you have been insulted I think the lot of you have rather been treated with kid gloves on another forum you'd not have lasted a week!

I know precisely what you've called me in the past, and what you said has now been removed from the forum. You've also made slurs against atheists in general that if hurled towards an ethnic group would be considered racist. You frequently refer to atheists as uncivilised, immoral, unevolved, apes and often in a deliberately derogatory and personal manner. This does not offend me in the slightest, takes a lot to make me cry - but it does not reflect well on the forum.

4- I was offered the job of the mod long ago and I declined it. A mod is someone who intercedes but it doesn't involve any of the other factors or the limitations that you desire unfortunately as such I'll say it again, if you don't like it here, don't be a member here.. if you don't like engaging a particular member here then don't!

You were offered the job were you? I'm glad you rejected it, you have no concept of objectivity and fair play.

Again, you have failed to show the so-called 'insults' but you can always start a support group for you and others where you scrub each other's backs and lick each other's wounds

I am not going to go through your posts and list it all. At least not here. If I was to do it, I'd specifically invoke it in the helpdesk subforum.

Indeed I don't see how they are applicable here!

They are the rules of IslamicBoard.com. You are posting on IslamicBoard.com. How are they not applicable?

You appear to have a both comprehension and reading impediment I see nothing in my posts that would indicate any of what you have just quoted!

Eh? How exactly would you be able to infer what other people think through your own posts?

Then why do you object to rule by theology if you are not 'anti-religious' ..

For the same reason I would object to rule by some hypothetical atheist fascist. For the same reason I would object to having my life controlled by Scientology. Because I value personal freedom. Why should I have to answer or adjust my life in accordance to a faith which I do not believe in?

In the reality of a multi-faith (and faithless) society it is impractical, unfair to insist that everyone not of Islam observe its tenets, or observe specific aspects of it.

I should point out by the way that this goes along the same lines you use whenever one points out the ills of 'homosexuality' where you often resort to the two things you know best 1- homophobia 2- consent.. as if at a loss for anything of merit to impart!

There are ills in many activities. Only the religious appear to fervently point out the ills in homosexuality. It is not consistent with being concerned with everyone's interests and that is why I suggest there is passive prejudice involved.

I never said obedience to God, this is something that your mind can't let go of because you don't have the mental capacity unfortunately to process what was written outside your atheist agenda and manifesto..

There we go. Personal insult.

And, yes you did say obedience to God to describe what was right.

I don't care to know if there is a difference, you are what you do and the majority of you encountered do and think along the same lines.

What hypocrisy. You have chastized me for suggesting that Islam is only what Muslims do. You have stated that you are not interested in what Muslims think about Sharia Law, only what Islamic jurisprudence actually states and now I discover that you are no better than I.

In any case, please do enlighten me on how you think (difficult to know how accurate this is, seeing as you don't listen) most atheists think. And please, enlighten me precisely on how what most atheists think have any impact on me.

Oh good, then perhaps an obvious conclusion can be drawn in a similar setting of a different quality!

Could you give an example?

 

[marwen]

Hey guys, cool down ;D
Any conclusion about the subject ?

I see huge posts contains many quotes, but that doen't really help.

If we fail to convince each other than there is no problem: sometimes the subject has many sides and each one can have his reasons. Personnally I don't think it's a big deal to eat meat ot to just live on vegetables, but we have just to keep this a the level of personal choice, not to make it a fundamental principle based on our belief or something.(IMHO)

 

[Gator]

Any conclusion about the subject ?

I think the first few responses by atheists were what the OP was looking for, which was basically how do atheists fell about eating meat

After that its just discussion.

Thanks.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I think all my insults are devoid of sugar coating!

firstly show me where you have been insulted I think the lot of you have rather been treated with kid gloves

on another forum you'd not have lasted a week!
3- One doesn't need to be a moderator to point out mindless drivel

Again, you have failed to show the so-called 'insults' but you can always start a support group for you and others where you scrub each other's backs and lick each other's wounds

Is this a personality trait or does Islam do this to people? I would hope the former but some may start to wonder. Is it a tribal thing? Hostility to the outsider to forment bonds with the ingroup perhaps? There is a difference between holding views people find offensive and just being offensive for the sake of being offensive.

Perhaps as she herself suggests, if we all ignored such behaviour then it may not ruin every thread. Restraint may not be the easiest thing, but it is a virtue, and many great thinkers and spiritual leaders (Jesus, the Buddha, I think Mohammed?) taught it.

marwen, for conclusions and civil discussion on the matter look to the start of the thread. It seems that some atheists DO indeed feel worse about eating meat whereas others do not. As atheism is just a lack of belief in God and has no bearing on one's other opinions or ideas this isn't surprising. Its simpler where there is a holy book or doctrine stating Thou Shalt Not Eat Meat (or thou shalt not eat a particular kind of meat) but atheism doesn't have this.

 

[tetsujin]

Is this a personality trait or does Islam do this to people? I would hope the former but some may start to wonder. Is it a tribal thing? Hostility to the outsider to foment bonds with the in-group perhaps? There is a difference between holding views people find offensive and just being offensive for the sake of being offensive.

I'm sure this isn't a matter of Islam, if you read her other posts she seems humble and kind, and doesn't obfuscate the discussion with disingenuous claims. I think it's a matter of being passionate about what one believes, and our existence and participation on this board for any reason other than to agree with her is upsetting. Clearly, a dual set of moral values couldn't have risen from a religion, right?

In any case, I would rather have this discussion than not. It's important to allows people to express themselves in dialogue, whether or not that expression is offensive.


All the best,


Faysal

 

[جوري]

I know precisely what you've called me in the past, and what you said has now been removed from the forum. You've also made slurs against atheists in general that if hurled towards an ethnic group would be considered racist. You frequently refer to atheists as uncivilised, immoral, unevolved, apes and often in a deliberately derogatory and personal manner. This does not offend me in the slightest, takes a lot to make me cry - but it does not reflect well on the forum.

what is that, you don't have something to show me? like to whine over concocted nonsense?
Being immoral isn't an insult it is a natural observation based on your writing here.. certainly someone who doesn't for instance view incestuous relationships as immoral is in fact immoral.. If it doesn't reflect well on the forum then don't be a member of the forum for the umpttenth time, no one is sticking a gun to your head to be here!

You were offered the job were you? I'm glad you rejected it, you have no concept of objectivity and fair play.

I did indeed. There is nothing fair about life.. as for objectivity whose standards are we going by here?

I am not going to go through your posts and list it all. At least not here. If I was to do it, I'd specifically invoke it in the helpdesk subforum.

If you can't backup your allegations then perhaps you can quit your whining? meandering posts to get the mods attention also goes against forum rules, but I fear you are failing miserably at your attempts.. I suppose because the concept of 'objectivity' really eludes you?!

They are the rules of IslamicBoard.com. You are posting on IslamicBoard.com. How are they not applicable?

You haven't shown me where my posts and the rules are at odds.. you have simply mouthed off your personal grievances with me. I fear that doesn't constitute going against the rules of an Islamic board!

Eh? How exactly would you be able to infer what other people think through your own posts?

I have no idea what this means!

For the same reason I would object to rule by some hypothetical atheist fascist. For the same reason I would object to having my life controlled by Scientology. Because I value personal freedom. Why should I have to answer or adjust my life in accordance to a faith which I do not believe in?

two vacuous statements. Scientology is neither a religion nor a political system it doesn't apply here and quite the other reason why folks have no interest in engaging an atheist, they pull any crap out of a hat and think it a viable analogy and turn every page to a 20 byway tirade!

In the reality of a multi-faith (and faithless) society it is impractical, unfair to insist that everyone not of Islam observe its tenets, or observe specific aspects of it.

How is it fair when a Muslim woman is stabbed to death in court and the rest are asked to strip naked? lol.. funny funny!

There are ills in many activities. Only the religious appear to fervently point out the ills in homosexuality. It is not consistent with being concerned with everyone's interests and that is why I suggest there is passive prejudice involved.

As is, atheists are the only ones to point out the ills of religion, and are only concerned with their own personal interests!

There we go. Personal insult.

How so?

And, yes you did say obedience to God to describe what was right.

I never used the word obedience go ahead quote me!

What hypocrisy. You have chastized me for suggesting that Islam is only what Muslims do. You have stated that you are not interested in what Muslims think about Sharia Law, only what Islamic jurisprudence actually states and now I discover that you are no better than I.

I said that jurisprudence is a judicial matter and not a matter left to lay persons least of which to be left to a person like you!

In any case, please do enlighten me on how you think (difficult to know how accurate this is, seeing as you don't listen) most atheists think. And please, enlighten me precisely on how what most atheists think have any impact on me.

I don't care to enlighten you.. again I ask, who are you that anyone should take notice or confer some dignity on you with a response when half of each post is spent to coax your ego back to good health?

Could you give an example?

use your imagination!

 

[جوري]

Is this a personality trait or does Islam do this to people? I would hope the former but some may start to wonder. Is it a tribal thing? Hostility to the outsider to forment bonds with the ingroup perhaps? There is a difference between holding views people find offensive and just being offensive for the sake of being offensive.

Perhaps as she herself suggests, if we all ignored such behaviour then it may not ruin every thread. Restraint may not be the easiest thing, but it is a virtue, and many great thinkers and spiritual leaders (Jesus, the Buddha, I think Mohammed?) taught it.

marwen, for conclusions and civil discussion on the matter look to the start of the thread. It seems that some atheists DO indeed feel worse about eating meat whereas others do not. As atheism is just a lack of belief in God and has no bearing on one's other opinions or ideas this isn't surprising. Its simpler where there is a holy book or doctrine stating Thou Shalt Not Eat Meat (or thou shalt not eat a particular kind of meat) but atheism doesn't have this.

Mindless drivel and devoid of sugar coating hardly constitute the F bombs that I have personally received in the dawkin forum after discussing a scientific article with the locals and in and of itself hardly constitutes an 'insult' .. You don't strike me as the sort who can either put a cohesive piece of evidence against someone together or actually as per the other fellow understand what objectivity is.. for your sake I hope you are not a criminal's defense lawyer!

I think the others (Muslims) on the thread have lost interest long ago, as is the case with most atheists, they are neither restrained by convention nor morality and the religion of Islam does teach us not to gauge in vain discourse with the ignorant.. and an atheist would constitute the perfect example of what that is!


I really suggest that if the lot of you are unhappy here and think this hilarious three man drive by shooting with your BB guns is going to accomplish your end that your efforts would be better suited to establish some form of support group to gain your manhood and piece your self-worth back into good health!


P.S if you wish to ignore me, it would be prudent not to quote me in the process, least of which when straining so hard to make another one of your famous brain farts!

all the best

 

[Justufy]

Mindless drivel and devoid of sugar coating hardly constitute the F bombs that I have personally received in the dawkin forum after discussing a scientific article with the locals and in and of itself hardly constitutes an 'insult'

Just because you had a bad experience on the RDF forum does not mean that you must reproduce it here, and if you were approaching non muslim members with the same attitude what you got might be understandable.

.. You don't strike me as the sort who can either put a cohesive piece of evidence against someone together or actually as per the other fellow understand what objectivity is.. for your sake I hope you are not a criminal's defense lawyer!

¸Another insult.

I think the others (Muslims) on the thread have lost interest long ago,

Your not a porte-Parole for any of them here, in fact im starting to associate you with a very distinct minority here.

as is the case with most atheists, there are neither restrained by convention nor morality

This is untrue, you know very well that atheists are restrained by conventions and morality, they just dervide them eslwhere, as for conventions if we are talking about social norms then everyone are subject to them regardless of religion.

and the religion of Islam does teach us not to gauge in vain discourse with the ignorant.. and an atheist would constitute the perfect example of what that is!

Then what was that diatribe with a a non- muslim ( ignorant you would say) here you just had (and are still having) ???

I really suggest that if the lot of you are unhappy here and think this hilarious three man drive by shooting with your BB guns is going to accomplish your end that your efforts would be better suited to establish some form of support group to gain your manhood and piece your self-worth back into good health!

Yet anothe insult.

P.S if you wish to ignore me, it would be prudent not to quote me in the process, least of which when straining so hard to make another one of your famous brain farts!

Oh look! Here is some of the (numerous) insults Skavau was talking about.

 

[جوري]

ahhhh.. ''me too' I was wondering when you'd join and gain some status by proxy!

Me-Too will join the attack. Me-Too is far too weak and insecure to engage in single combat, and must ally himself with Big Dog or a pack of other Warriors to bring down his quarry.

good luck with all that, let me know how it works out for you!

 

[tetsujin]

marwen, for conclusions and civil discussion on the matter look to the start of the thread. It seems that some atheists DO indeed feel worse about eating meat whereas others do not. As atheism is just a lack of belief in God and has no bearing on one's other opinions or ideas this isn't surprising. Its simpler where there is a holy book or doctrine stating Thou Shalt Not Eat Meat (or thou shalt not eat a particular kind of meat) but atheism doesn't have this.

Somewhat back to the original topic, I'll share an experience I had.

Around the age of 11, I experienced my first Eid-ul-Adha in Pakistan. I've never been a picky eater, so up to this point in my life, and I assume others my age as well, had not associated the source of meat, and the eventual meal you have prepared in front of you.

On Eid-ul-Adha, for those who are able to afford the cost, you take your most prized livestock or cattle, and sacrifice it. Since most people don't keep livestock, you would go to a market and buy the best you could afford or find. Most families bring them home a few days earlier for logistical reasons, and the kids usually get involved in the transport and care taking of the of the animals.

A day or two before eid itself, one of the goats was set aside, and my father called out to me. At this point I'm oblivious to what is going to happen. We proceed to give the goat some water and isolate it from the others by taking it to the front lawn. I am given a sharp knife and while someone else holds down the goat I am asked to cut the throat in the prescribed manner to make the sacrifice.

I did not grow up in Pakistan, so I was not familiar with this scene. Once they realized I simply wasn't going to do it myself. My father stood behind me, and with his hand over my hand, we performed the sacrifice. I was still stunned by the initial request and in retrospect I should probably have closed my eyes.

Was there a lesson in it for me? I didn't feel any empathy towards the animal, and in the back of my mind I knew that the food we ate that day and the following days would come from the animals we slaughtered on our lawn and driveway. However, that didn't change my view of the purpose of slaughtering, and I didn't decide whether it was morally justified, and I didn't see it as a necessity of life. I suppose those are not discussions you have with 11 year old boys. It was done to feed us, and to offer food to others less fortunate.


All the best,


Faysal

 

[Pygoscelis]

Interesting twist. A plea for civility as a status symbol.

The remark on the dawkins board is also interesting. Never been there but I have been on paltalk from time to time and seen some pretty nasty and hateful things said about muslims (I even find myself defending Islam believe it or not). So she takes angst from hearing that sort of thing, associates it with all non-muslims and downloads that to here. Irrational but understandable I suppose, given that non-muslims here are more civil and less likely to respond with the same.

I guess that sort of thing should be expected, but I still say its best to ignore it and attempt some sort of civil discussion. Too many interesting discussions have been ruined and too many threads have been closed due to this.

 

[Justufy]

Me-Too will join the attack. Me-Too is far too weak and insecure to engage in single combat, and must ally himself with Big Dog or a pack of other Warriors to bring down his quarry.

Attacks? alliances? combat? LoL you seem to view this as some cyber battelfield I bet you must think you are an important ''warrior'' here! Hahahaha! AND I looked at this site yoiu linked, they actually have a whole bunch of these characters, I bet you must assciate with one or the other?:statisfie. And single combat? ha! this is all to funny:hiding:.

I voice my oppinions here about what I wish and I will continue to do so, and frankly I never viewed any of this as a '' combat'' as you and your childish site seeme to. My suggestion here is that if you have that ''combat'' attitude in a forum discussion then nothing will be accomplished, I would suggest video games here, you might like Halo 3 or counter strike?? many good games to pass all that ROAR! warrior agressivity on:statisfie.

good luck with all that, let me know how it works out for you!

I better call in air support and the reservist '' warriors'' against such an impressive net-combattant as yourself! Please dont hurt me.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I assume others my age as well, had not associated the source of meat, and the eventual meal you have prepared in front of you.

Yes, this is a very good point. I think it is telling in many peoples' reaction to eating lobster for the first time, after picking it out live. Many of us, I suspect both religious and not would have difficulty killing a cow, goat or chicken to eat without at least some twinge of "is this right?"

I did not grow up in Pakistan, so I was not familiar with this scene. Once they realized I simply wasn't going to do it myself. My father stood behind me, and with his hand over my hand, we performed the sacrifice. I was still stunned by the initial request and in retrospect I should probably have closed my eyes.

I can only imagine

Was there a lesson in it for me? I didn't feel any empathy towards the animal, and in the back of my mind I knew that the food we ate that day and the following days would come from the animals we slaughtered on our lawn and driveway. However, that didn't change my view of the purpose of slaughtering, and I didn't decide whether it was morally justified, and I didn't see it as a necessity of life. I suppose those are not discussions you have with 11 year old boys. It was done to feed us, and to offer food to others less fortunate.

Thank you for sharing this experience with us. I think I would have been horrified, which I admit is completely hypocritical given that I do eat meat, but I think is a relic more of my society and distance from farming. When you've never worked in the slaughterhouse you may never solidify the emotional connection between the meat and its source, as you noted above.

 

[Justufy]

Yes, this is a very good point. I think it is telling in many peoples' reaction to eating lobster for the first time, after picking it out live. Many of us, I suspect both religious and not would have difficulty killing a cow, goat or chicken to eat without at least some twinge of "is this right?" I can only imagine
Thank you for sharing this experience with us. I think I would have been horrified, which I admit is completely hypocritical given that I do eat meat, but I think is a relic more of my society and distance from farming. When you've never worked in the slaughterhouse you may never solidify the emotional connection between the meat and its source, as you noted above.

As said previously I think this is because of the relation we now have with animals, no one has to kill an animal to eat his flesh anymore, we can just go to the grocery store and get it there pre-packaged, but these sentiments towards as I postied previously werent always so.

 

[جوري]

Attacks? alliances? combat? LoL you seem to view this as some cyber battelfield I bet you must think you are an important ''warrior'' here! Hahahaha! AND I looked at this site yoiu linked, they actually have a whole bunch of these characters, I bet you must assciate with one or the other?:statisfie. And single combat? ha! this is all to funny:hiding:.

I voice my oppinions here about what I wish and I will continue to do so, and frankly I never viewed any of this as a '' combat'' as you and your childish site seeme to. My suggestion here is that if you have that ''combat'' attitude in a forum discussion then nothing will be accomplished, I would suggest video games here, you might like Halo 3 or counter strike?? many good games to pass all that ROAR! warrior agressivity on:statisfie



I better call in air support and the reservist '' warriors'' against such an impressive net-combattant as yourself! Please dont hurt me.

what is with all the verbiage ''me too''?
take one of these PRN whenever you feel a verbal diarrhea attack coming on.

and generally if you can't stick to the topic then take yourself out of it!

all the best

 

[tetsujin]

As said previously I think this is because of the relation we now have with animals, no one has to kill an animal to eat his flesh anymore, we can just go to the grocery store and get it there pre-packaged, but these sentiments towards as I postied previously werent always so.

I take issue with defining morals based on how I feel about a subject. I shouldn't have to feel good about something for it to be right. I don't know how many people define morals in stoic manner, but I suspect it's very few.

On the one hand we have evolved emotions as an evolutionary shorthand to a controlled thought process, and on the other hand we've molded those emotions from an early age with our own sociocultural values and we only react when we perceive something as outside of the norm.

Are we capable of rewiring our minds after a childhood spent learning particular normative values, or do we accept that although it is difficult we have to bypass any automatic thinking and spend a few extra moments deciding what is right or wrong?


All the best,


Faysal