Attack on Israel will destroy Iran

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^When did the Ayatollah said that? Any source. This is getting interesting.
 
I suppose Iran's weapons are so sophisticated they would be able to hit "Israel" and "Zionists, whilst missing the Palestinians Territories and more importantly the blessed Mosque?
 
ahsan28 said:
There will be no war between Israel and Iran. Israel alone can't afford to launch a full scale offensive against Iran w/o US asistance. The US is not in a position to make available resources for another war, being already in a messed up situation in Iraq and Afghanistan. Despite repeated requests from field commanders, they couldn't meet the requirements in Afghanistan. For attacking Iran, they have to pull out considerable forces from Iraq, which they can't afford. Despite all that, if they still decide to go over Iran, that would be a suicidal mission, keeping in view pro-Iran govts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Their bases, especially in Iraq would be extremely vulnerable.

The existing state of US economy is bleak, in such situation how can they think of initiating another war?
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So you think the US "military" as a whole is over extended in Iraq? I think that is a grave miscalculation. The US ground troops (mainly the marines) are over extended in the M.E. however dont forget that we have a generally unused Navy and Airforce that accounts for more than half of the US military power, many of whom happen to be on battle carriers in the region, take note that this is not by coincidence. The US or Israel would not invade Iran by ground, Iran would be attacked with a massive air operation. They would lose and while they may succeed in launching attacks of their own on US bases in the region (Iraq, Afghan and embassies) their ultimate result would be the same as the others, within a couple days their military and government would disband and run, and hope for the air assault to stop, they would then band together in militias and wait for a ground assault that wouldnt ever come because no one is there to remove a dictator or establish anything in their country. Air raids may continue for a couple weeks destroying power stations, nuclear installations, government buildings, water supplies, roads and bridges in order to give the Iranians something better to do than move their jaws in an inadequate attempt to scare or threaten the west.

It is telling how so many people seem to be hoping for an "Iran goes to war with the West" scenario.. You know, Iraq used to be the pillar of military prowess in the region, what happened to them? All of their radar and anti aircraft and their army that was always televised performing anti american and anti western sentiments. It took all of a week to destroy their government, military and infrastructure and then a couple more years to hang their leader in a basement.

In my opinion, Muslims need to concentrate more on their faith rather than what middle eastern country is going to try the west next. With all of the corrupt governments in the middle east what makes any of us think that Allah will protect them anyways? IMO we need to put our trust and faith in Allah, follow our religion correctly and the rest will fall into place accordingly. Iran and Israel going to war doesnt seem to me like a path to the ultimate destination.
 
AntiKarateKid said:
Assumming that even if he did say that he was going to wipe Israel off the map... not to sound childish but Jews do say worse... Muslims are coccroaches etc,

At least we have an obligation to respect their religion.
The Jewish propaganda really surprises me. For a people so proud of their history, it amazes me that they could equate Muslims with their ultimate enemies. Didnt Muslim rulers acccept Jews into their countries while CHristians persecuted them? We were the ones who gave them homes. We, unlike the Nazis never tried to exterminate them. Yet here we are. Being anti- israeli, a county that is not even supposed to exist due to the status of Jews being "exiled in their own Torah, is suddenly anti semitic. ANd Muslims are suddenly the root of all evil. Ironic.


Case in point. I asked a rabbi straight up if Israel is supposed to exist according to the Torah. HE said not really but there is nothing that Jews can do now except ait for the messaih. I was dumbfounded.


" Hey guys lets steal this land for false religious reasons and refuse to negotiate until our messiah comes... oh and Muslims are evil"

R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D, felt like roughing taht guy up i swear...
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This entire post is idiotic and hate filled.
 
MTAFFI said:
So you think the US "military" as a whole is over extended in Iraq? I think that is a grave miscalculation. The US ground troops (mainly the marines) are over extended in the M.E. however dont forget that we have a generally unused Navy and Airforce that accounts for more than half of the US military power, many of whom happen to be on battle carriers in the region, take note that this is not by coincidence. The US or Israel would not invade Iran by ground, Iran would be attacked with a massive air operation. They would lose and while they may succeed in launching attacks of their own on US bases in the region (Iraq, Afghan and embassies) their ultimate result would be the same as the others, within a couple days their military and government would disband and run, and hope for the air assault to stop, they would then band together in militias and wait for a ground assault that wouldnt ever come because no one is there to remove a dictator or establish anything in their country. Air raids may continue for a couple weeks destroying power stations, nuclear installations, government buildings, water supplies, roads and bridges in order to give the Iranians something better to do than move their jaws in an inadequate attempt to scare or threaten the west.

It is telling how so many people seem to be hoping for an "Iran goes to war with the West" scenario.. You know, Iraq used to be the pillar of military prowess in the region, what happened to them? All of their radar and anti aircraft and their army that was always televised performing anti american and anti western sentiments. It took all of a week to destroy their government, military and infrastructure and then a couple more years to hang their leader in a basement.

In my opinion, Muslims need to concentrate more on their faith rather than what middle eastern country is going to try the west next. With all of the corrupt governments in the middle east what makes any of us think that Allah will protect them anyways? IMO we need to put our trust and faith in Allah, follow our religion correctly and the rest will fall into place accordingly. Iran and Israel going to war doesnt seem to me like a path to the ultimate destination.
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I agree with you mostly. I actually don't waste my time discussing US+Israel VS Iran scenerio being one of the jokes going on all around. Its part of a planned agenda to make people believe that Iran is resisting western powers on behalf of Muslim world. So far Iranians have done nothing except issuing anti-US and anti-Israel political statements, in order to get popular support, which are expected to be continued in future as well.
 
ahsan28 said:
I agree with you mostly. I actually don't waste my time discussing US+Israel VS Iran scenerio being one of the jokes going on all around. Its part of a planned agenda to make people believe that Iran is resisting western powers on behalf of Muslim world. So far Iranians have done nothing except issuing anti-US and anti-Israel political statements, in order to get popular support, which are expected to be continued in future as well.
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I would agree with you, funny I just got done reading this article

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...secret-talks-on-nuclear-programme-808647.html
 
Eve Persephone said:
is al 'aqsar' as you put it an intended pun? Never mind...
according with Islamic signs of the end 'NO-- I don't have scientific evidence' for this, an Abyssinian leader with thin shins will destroy the Ka'bah , Medina will be abandoned save for howling animals while al-aqsa will be restituted!
yes indeed great wars will break out...

cheers
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I thought that the Kaabah can never be destroyed and that makaah will be a safe haven from many signs of the end, please give evidence
 
aadil77 said:
I thought that the Kaabah can never be destroyed and that makaah will be a safe haven from many signs of the end, please give evidence
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it is indeed insha'Allah a safe haven akhi so long as there is Islam in the world.. but I am talking about when religion will be lifted from the world and people will be copulating like donkeys on the street and no one will know what the word Allah means.. this is after the gentle wind takes the souls of all the believers..

I am not a scholar akhi, so Allah knows best.. I am only relaying what I have read..

Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can shed light on this..

:w:
 
The Iranians, like the Jucheists steadily feed a fantasy drip to the world about a planned US invasion.
The US Invasion dosnt happen.
Hence:
1) The US is scared.
2)The US is overstreched.
3) The dear leader's wise guidance and brilliant diplomacy is staving off the babyeaters for another year. God be praised.
4)The US has learnt from its harsh lesson in Iraq that oil grabbing capitalist imperial conqests are only repaid with shame defeat and endless blood, much to their endless humiliation and the glory of the free Iraqi people. Saddam will rise again to lead his beloved children to victory and peace.
5) The massive and total naval victory, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/23/niraq123.xml shows the mighty power of Iran's military megastrength, which humbles the feeble and girlish US coward-incompetants with their dismal Kuffar inspired so-called-technology. This has driven the Butchers to re-appraise their warmongering.
6) The US was never coming in the first place.
 
I used to think highly of Iran.. but most of the Iranians I have met, leave very little to be desired.. they have never gotten over their empire of their pagan practices.. just recently I have seen a bunch of 'Muslim' iranians celebrate their pagan new year which conincided with easter.. they still speak of Muslims as if they've invaded and pillaged them instead of bringing them enlightenment and monotheism..mind you this is by the so-called Muslims themseleves... I was/am very disappointed.. I hope these were isolated cases of indulgent Iranians outside of Iran, but for some reason I doubt it...
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I date a (Nonreligious) Iranian girl, and have met some of her friends, and there is certainly a greater nationalism there that I haven't really seen in other nationalities. I wouldn't say they were anti Islam, but they generally are anti Arab. I think some of the practices of Shia Islam and the Iranian practice of it is a more or less delibrate attempt to be as different as possible to Arab ****** Sunnism. (I think of Shia's as the Catholics of islam)

The last Shah of course tried to revive Emperor worship and openly declared a return to the old days, and was actually quite popular for it (He became unpopular when he dismally failed to follow through).
 
Interesting. the official state religion of Saudi Arabia is censored. Clearly I've missed something here...
 
mediadave said:
I date a (Nonreligious) Iranian girl, and have met some of her friends, and there is certainly a greater nationalism there that I haven't really seen in other nationalities. I wouldn't say they were anti Islam, but they generally are anti Arab. I think some of the practices of Shia Islam and the Iranian practice of it is a more or less delibrate attempt to be as different as possible to Arab ****** Sunnism. (I think of Shia's as the Catholics of islam)

The last Shah of course tried to revive Emperor worship and openly declared a return to the old days, and was actually quite popular for it (He became unpopular when he dismally failed to follow through).
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I'll agree to the assimilation of shiites to catholics... they are indeed into funky irreligious paintings and sanctifying various Muslims, like al 7asan wal7osyn almost to God like status.. shiites in and of themselves are divided into many sects from almost those close enough to sunnis, to ones who deem ali ibn abi talib God himself, sort of like the christians have done with Jesus...

I'll assume the asterisked portion is in reference to w a h a b b i or s a l a f i? I'd personally refrain from using terms you are not in full mastery of in terms of implication or significance... I dislike nothing more than ignorance save for someone who feigns knowledge...

cheers
 
I'd personally refrain from using terms you are not in full mastery of in terms of implication or significance... I dislike nothing more than ignorance save for someone who feigns knowledge...
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I'll go along with that.
 
Eve Persephone said:
I'll agree to the assimilation of shiites to catholics... they are indeed into funky irreligious paintings and sanctifying various Muslims, like al 7asan wal7osyn almost to God like status.. shiites in and of themselves are divided into many sects from almost those close enough to sunnis, to ones who deem ali ibn abi talib God himself, sort of like the christians have done with Jesus...

I'll assume the asterisked portion is in reference to w a h a b b i or s a l a f i? I'd personally refrain from using terms you are not in full mastery of in terms of implication or significance... I dislike nothing more than ignorance save for someone who feigns knowledge...

cheers
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This read as a slag towards shiites. That is a big no no around here. They are muslims and should be respected as such.
 
Izyan said:
This read as a slag towards shiites. That is a big no no around here. They are muslims and should be respected as such.
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The post doesn't contain the element of disrespect.

Respect should not be translated as an obligation for us to agree with Iran's political and religious policies.
 
ahsan28 said:
The post doesn't contain the element of disrespect.

Respect should not be translated as an obligation for us to agree with Iran's political and religious policies.
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they are indeed into funky irreligious paintings and sanctifying various Muslims, like al 7asan wal7osyn almost to God like status.. shiites in and of themselves are divided into many sects from almost those close enough to sunnis, to ones who deem ali ibn abi talib God himself, sort of like the christians have done with Jesus...

I sensed a lot of cynisism in this quote. Almost dismissing Shia as a silly little cult.
 
That may be your personal opinion but frankly speaking, Iran's political policies are governed by religious considerations, something which can't be accepted by mainstream Muslims. You may read the famous speeches by Khomeini to understand their mindset.
 
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