Attacks On Innocent Citizens Of All Non Western Countries Thread

[Independent]

I don't agree with your description of the way the US and others have responded to crises in Muslim countries. What's more, in two cases (Libya and Syria) you can see a direct relationship between media coverage of humanitarian crises and government policy (ie whether or not to get involved militarily).

the West just stands by and watches the crimes being committed daily and hardly offers any help

Egypt - Mubarrack was a key US ally. It's to their credit that they encouraged him to step down voluntarily in the face of overwhelming popular hostility. Any further direct intervention was not necessary and not wanted. The US did as much as they could reasonably have been asked for. If the US had supported their man like Russia has supported Assad, there would have been civil war in Egypt and Mubarrack would still probably still be clinging to power in a devastated country.

Libya - ironically, at the time of his fall, Gadaffi had never been on better terms with the west. Despite his history, it was not in western political or economic interests to remove him at this time. Contrary to your overall argument, the western media played a huge role in stirring up sympathy for the rebels and, it could be argued, led directly to western military assistance and the success of the rebellion. Russia was angry because they felt the west had gone beyond its UN remit of humanitarian assistance (a fair criticism). However, you may think (as many do) that the removal of Gadaffi was a good thing for Libya and had to happen at some stage no matter what the cost (as he was establishing a dynasty).

Syria - similarly to Libya, western media has been placing huge moral pressure on governments to 'do something'. However, UN permission is impossible because of Russian and Chinese vetoes. Plainly some western countries have been itching to help the rebels with direct military aid, to add to the help the rebels are getting from Muslim sources. You cannot say that the west is doing nothing here, it's Russia and China who are stopping assistance. The inability to provide this assistance is the reason why the war in Syria has ended up in stalemate, while that in Libya ended swiftly.

 

[جوري]

Egypt - Mubarrack was a key US ally. It's to their credit that they encouraged him to step down voluntarily in the face of overwhelming popular hostility. Any further direct intervention was not necessary and not wanted. The US did as much as they could reasonably have been asked for. If the US had supported their man like Russia has supported Assad, there would have been civil war in Egypt and Mubarrack would still probably still be clinging to power in a devastated country.

That's not a realistic picture of what is going on at all. In fact U.S wanted Mubarak to step down for a while and bequeath to his son before things got out of hand- U.S doesn't really care who sits on the throne so long as the system they've in place is maintained .. U.S simply went to plan B.
If you want to know what plan B is, well here it is:

[video=youtube;uji4Yu5lnko]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uji4Yu5lnko[/video]
And what's happening in Egypt right now is the marvelous doing of Ann Paterson and McCain.. The voice of reason is lost in the midst of all the rwaybiddah that are let loose and given microphone to spew their BS unfortunately .. similar plan is in place for the entire middle east.
I have posted an excellent article on the matter (In Arabic) including which resources are squandered in dollars and cents, which kings visited whom to do what and were visited by whom for what.. but who is to read? Most people are only interested in what you offer, superficial nonsense that barely scratches the surface.

best,

 

[Independent]

I should also have said in my post above - since this is mainly about media - that western media were broadly supportive of the Arab Spring in general, right from the beginning. Over time that reaction has been become more complex because the Arab spring very obviously didn't turn out so well in many cases, but that doesn't change the main point. i don't see how you can say that the media was not supportive of most of the liberation movements? If anything, you could say the media 'bumped' the Uk into intervention in Libya, through relentless moral pressure.

 

[Ahmad H]

The problem with the Arab Spring was that there was a violent uprising against the tyrannical leaders. This only gives birth to more tyrannical leaders. This is very much against Islamic teachings, since this was war against the oppressive rulers, but Muslims are commanded to be truthful even to their oppressive leaders. That is considered the best jihad. So these wars against oppressive leaderships are wrong, in that war is considered deceit. This only made things worse. Thus, deceit against these leaders breeds worse situations than if the people just obeyed and continued to be transparent with their leaders.

The West had only good intentions to try and help the situation in the Middle East. At least, that is because I am giving them the benefit of the doubt to the governments. I know that the general public in the West only wanted peace for the Middle East, but the politics of the West always interfere. Syria is in the situation its in because of Russia. This is from what I have read in the news. Russia kept vetoing the intervention in Syria. So the dead bodies in Syria are piling up because of them now.

As for the media, they were completely supportive of the Arab Spring. in fact, they coined the term Arab Spring, if I'm not wrong. Although, when I talked about this Arab Spring to some people, they scoffed at this since no country in this "Arab Spring" has come out better than before. i just feel bad for that guy who set himself on fire in Tunisia in protest. that may have triggered this uprising, but unfortunately the results he might have hoped for haven't been reached.

 

[جوري]

the support was merely an excitement over Condoleezza Rice statement for a 'New middle east'


New Middle East Map
Secretary Condoleezza Rice stated during a press conference that “[w]hat we’re seeing here [in regards to the destruction of Lebanon and the Israeli attacks on Lebanon], in a sense, is the growing—the ‘birth pangs’—of a ‘New Middle East’ and whatever we do we [meaning the United States] have to be certain that we’re pushing forward to the New Middle East [and] not going back to the old one.”1 Secretary Rice was immediately criticized for her statements both within Lebanon and internationally for expressing indifference to the suffering of an entire nation, which was being bombed indiscriminately by the Israeli Air Force

http://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-...e-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882

obviously the winds brought that which the ships didn't crave as the Arabic adage goes.

best,

 

[Ahmad H]

That sounds pretty disturbing. i didn't know Condoleeza Rice said that.

 

[Independent]

in fact, they coined the term Arab Spring, if I'm not wrong

Yes, it was named after the 'Prague Spring' in Czechoslovakia in 1968, which was a spontaneous peaceful movement against Soviet rule. People hoped that the Arab Spring would follow a similar mainly peaceful path.

when I talked about this Arab Spring to some people, they scoffed at this since no country in this "Arab Spring" has come out better than before

Unfortunately, it very often happens that if you remove a long term oppressive dictatorship, it is followed by further conflict and even civil war. They only thing that was holding opposition groups together was a common enemy. Afterwards, they fight to see who will be the successor. It's particularly likely in countries where normal political parties were suppressed so there is no tradition of governments and oppositions moving in and out of power.

Also, the harder the dictator fights to hold onto power, the more the country is weaponised while getting rid of him. So Libya is more unstable than Tunisia.

 

[جوري]

That sounds pretty disturbing. i didn't know Condoleeza Rice said that.

Yup.. she did.. too bad it brought them that which they despise the most.. so they're trying by every mean to nip it in the bud and go for complete character assassination.. too bad we've many agents and traitors in our midst just so long as their wallets are fattened up to hell with everyone else and especially the Ummah!

 

[Ahmad H]

too bad we've many agents and traitors in our midst just so long as their wallets are fattened up to hell with everyone else and especially the Ummah!

And who are these traitors you speak of? I am going to remind you that suspicion in some cases is a sin (49:12). Don't go into conspiracy theories. I only accept facts.

 

[جوري]

And who are these traitors you speak of? I am going to remind you that suspicion in some cases is a sin (49:12). Don't go into conspiracy theories. I only accept facts.

An example would be El-Baradi formerly responsible for the death of 1.5 million Iraqis. In fact a Muslim should warn his communities of such people, and they should be tried for high treason and made an example of.. of course he's one amongst many if you'd like names and dates and acts then it is easier to simply read and follow the news!.. Even during the time of the prophet people went to spy on one whom they thought was the Dajjal to warn the people.
I can't be made responsible for what you accept or don't accept. My duty is to warn when I see wrong to change it either physically, with my tongue (or writing) or at least in my heart!

 

[Ahmad H]

Muslims don't have a central government like how things were during the days of the Islamic Khilafat. If there was, then there could be people made an example out of. however, there is no authority in place, thus there is no way to hold anyone accountable as if there was some court of justice. Treason applies only in cases when there is a country or a nation of people to protect. For each individual country this is different. If someone were to try and target Muslims, it would be a form of persecution. The government deals with that, not the Ulema.

As for the Dajjal, that was a different situation altogether. It was not a form of treason which the Holy Prophet (saw) worried about, since when he spied on Ibn Sayyad, he wasn't a Muslim at that time, but he was a Jew. He later on became a Muslim. He was able to enter Mecca and Medina without being killed, he had children, and above all, he wasn't a Fitnah for the Muslims. Add to that, Isa (as) didn't descend and kill him. Therefore, he was not the Dajjal. And he didn't even let Hazrat Umar (ra) kill him because of this, because the task was not for the Muslims to deal with themselves. The Dajjal is not prophesied to become a Muslim. And either way, none of the other Dajjals who would appear before the arrival of the Greatest Dajjal would become Muslim either. They would be false Prophets who would die the deaths fitting for a liar, as described in certain places in the Holy Qur'an. All in all, Dajjal doesn't fit in the category of an agent who spies on the Muslims as a Muslim. Ibn Sayyad couldn't have fit that description.

May Allah reward you for doing your best to speak against what is wrong and speak out for what is right. We need more Muslims like this today.

 

[جوري]

Not having Islamic governance doesn't denote that the situation should be a free for all, and a breeding ground for injustice. In fact everything that happened in history including the very similar mutinies that happened in the early days should serve as an example for us and a lesson of what next we should do. We still have judges, we still have a system in place and traitors are tried in the same fashion all across the ages and times. If not directly against Islam which they openly fight, then directly against the state from which they proclaim to be citizens of. So yes, whereas I am not judge & executioner - I can certainly voice and raise my concerns and ask :Allah::swt: to open the eyes of the Muslims, to unite them and to rid us of the manure that lurks in our midst and averts our ummah from uniting!

 

[Gator]

This is a good idea for a thread. Its just so horrible the constant killings. More attention should go to this.

Bomb Kills 9 Near Pakistan Political Party Office


KARACHI, Pakistan April 26, 2013 (AP)

A bomb exploded on Friday near the office of a main Pakistan political party that had received threats from the Taliban, killing nine people in the latest attack in the run-up to next month's parliamentary election.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...kills-southern-pakistan-19051907#.UXwrq8ojLHQ

 

[Gator]

Here's a wikipedia site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_January–June_2013

 

[Gator]

And they also have a list of drone strikes. This is just for Pakistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drone_strikes_in_Pakistan

 

[Joseph86]

People are people East West South or North. A certain percent want to control us all. Regardless of any underlying point to each individual. Muslims fight Christians. Christians hate all including themselves Allah(GOD) Loves man and its not supposed to be this way peace is what the world needs not ideological wars cause every person believes different.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

I thought about something and it is too little to make a thread about it but seemingly important. Its about the situation in Syria, israel has accusations of WMD's being used in syria as a excuse for US to come in 'for the rescue(cough cough)' but the US is seemingly ignoring israel's lies right now, while the US democrats and replubicans placed zionists are all in favor of an invasion obama is seemingly quiet right now, the US military is opposing the plan to invade syria from what i read. probably because they will land in a chaos they will never come out, and it will be worse than iraq or afghanistan together. Are the zionists losing power over the US military?

I couldn't make a thread about it since all syria threads have been closed hence i post it here.

 

[Joseph86]

I want you all to understand that just because I as a lot of people are from the west does not mean we hate you as fact drones are appalling and serve no point but to kill with no judgment. With that being said the Boston bombing was our own government everytime something happens its blamed on Muslims. Although paramilitary was at Boston with the exact backpacks used. After blast pictures are takin of paramilitary members and the backpacks are gone when a man recorded the tsar nave boys they still had their backpacks. Film was siezed by national security cause it did not fit the bill. A push by the world bankers for global control is what is going on. We are in the Middle East solely to seize oil no other reason

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

I want you all to understand that just because I as a lot of people are from the west does not mean we hate you as fact drones are appalling and serve no point but to kill with no judgment. With that being said the Boston bombing was our own government everytime something happens its blamed on Muslims. Although paramilitary was at Boston with the exact backpacks used. After blast pictures are takin of paramilitary members and the backpacks are gone when a man recorded the tsar nave boys they still had their backpacks. Film was siezed by national security cause it did not fit the bill. A push by the world bankers for global control is what is going on. We are in the Middle East solely to seize oil no other reason

To seize oil and destruction and burn all ME/Asian countries to also counter sino interests and ofcourse to protect 'israel'. If you know the timeline, then you will know this was engineered years ago. If not via their troops then via their stooges and proxy armies.

 

[sister herb]

Weekly Report On Israeli Human Rights Violations in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (25 April- 01 May 2013)

Thursday, 02 May 2013 00:00


Israeli forces continue systematic attacks against Palestinian civilians and property in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt)

Israeli forces extra-judicially executed a member of a Salafi-Jihadist group in the Gaza Strip.

Israeli forces have continued to open fire in the border areas in the Gaza Strip.

1 child was wounded in the northern Gaza Strip.

Israeli forces wounded 4 civilians, including 1 child, while offering protection to Israeli settlers as they carried out attacks.

Israeli forces have continued to use excessive force against peaceful protestors in the West Bank.

3 protestors were wounded during peaceful protests against the annexation wall and settlement activities.

Israeli forces conducted 63 incursions into Palestinian communities in the West Bank, and 3 limited incursions in the Gaza Strip.

32 Palestinian civilians, including 7 children, were arrested in the West Bank.

Israel has continued to impose a total closure on the oPt and has isolated the Gaza Strip from the outside world.

Israeli forces closed the border crossing between the Gaza Strip and Israel for 3 days.

Israeli forces established dozens of checkpoints in the West Bank.

8 Palestinian civilians, including 2 children, were arrested at checkpoints.

Israeli forces have continued activities aimed at creating a Jewish majority in occupied East Jerusalem.

3 houses in al-Tour village and al-Thawri neighbourhood were demolished.

Israeli forces have continued to support settlement activities in the West Bank and Israeli settlers have continued to attack Palestinian civilians and property.

Two agricultural rooms and a water well were demolished and more demolition notices were issued in the West Bank.

Settlers conducted a series of violent attacks against Palestinian civilians and set fire to dozens of dunums of farmlands.

Settlers set fire to dozens of vehicles in Deir Jarir village in Ramallah.

Israeli naval forces have continued to target Palestinian fishermen at sea.

Israeli naval forces continued to open fire on Palestinian fishing boats to force them to sail within the limit of 3 nautical miles.

A fisherman was seriously wounded in Rafah, in the south of the Gaza Strip.

http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/i...l-01-may-2013&catid=84:weekly-2009&Itemid=183