Australian cleric in dress furore

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Your post does not negate my point,it cleary shows that girls whom are beautiful or pleasing to the eyes are more often raped than not.

[FONT=Tahoma, Helvetica, Arial]It is saddening, frustrating as well as dangerous to see the propagation of such erroneous beliefs that not only continue to perpetuate the myths surrounding rape, but also provide the perfect environment for rape to continue. [/FONT]

[FONT=Tahoma, Helvetica, Arial]Rape is not about sudden loss of sexual self-control due to provocation. It is a crime of violence where sex is used to demean and subjugate women. [/FONT]

http://www.wao.org.my/news/20030103provokerape.htm

but what i am saying is that BEAUTIFUL FEMALES WHO REVEAL MORE

Your post did not prove your point. You posted that younger females get raped, and guess what, it is because weakness. Not beauty.

Your condoning of a man who tries to blame rape on women because he cannot control his animalistic desires is appalling.
 
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The most important thing is we stick and live with the Islamic law because the true form of Islam is to practiced it in society.

In Islam, everything which may lead to adultery, is prohibited.The same context is pornography on TV, movies and internet or in any medium which is becoming more easy to available in the whole world.And we all know ponography has contributed to sexual crimes.And i also get what the syeikh trying to address about one of the main cause of rape.

Unlike some of the members in this forum whose have their alternative views about rape,and for myself i prefer and stick with the more realistic views about rape,such how to dealing with the over exposed dressing female,sexist behavior female,alcohol and drug misusage by both gender,education to the boys in early stage,i believe all that above criteria are the major problems contributed to the rape issue.

And the best for the women is not to be in the wrong place at the wrong time,for the Muslimin and Muslimah obeying to Islam InshaAllah, is the best solution.

Ted Bundy, the serial killer/rapist, wrote in his memoirs from prison that pornography had contributed to his addiction of killing women (42 of them) after committing rape

To me any kind of thing that lead to the sexual attraction is a combination of major problem to the sexual crimes,after viewing on all problem i think there is nothing wrong about that sheikh speeching in his sermon.
 
Read a bit about rape. It has to do with weakness, not sexual desire a majority of times. If the women in the hijab apears weak, she the majority of times will get raped, millions of psycologists and experts say.


ermm... NO!! why would a man go after a covered women. he wouldn't even look at her. (I don't meanthis as an isult fellow-muslims), because of the fact that she is covered, therefore she wouldn't stir any desires. i DON"T CARE what the psychologists and experts say.
 
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wasnt there a thread like this called 'hijaab and rape' sometime back?
 
The only thing i agree with is, it's more liley a woman who's wearing tight, revealing clothing may be liely to get attacked, than a woman who's wearing a long dress (notice i'm not talking of wearing a hijab etc) but this is my opnion only.

What i'm against is why some muslims seem to think women are 'temptations' IT'S THE MAN WHO'S INCAPABLE OF CONTROLLING HIS DESIRES SO WHY MAKE THE WOMAN OUT TO BE THE 'MEAT' THAT'S TEMPTING??
 
BTW - In islamic countries if a woman is wearing the hijab, are you saying no rape occurs?? I'd love to know the answer to this!!
 
so would i. Correct me if i'm wrong, but it sounds like your saying that it already does. evidence please.
 
The only thing i agree with is, it's more liley a woman who's wearing tight, revealing clothing may be liely to get attacked, than a woman who's wearing a long dress (notice i'm not talking of wearing a hijab etc) but this is my opnion only.

What i'm against is why some muslims seem to think women are 'temptations' IT'S THE MAN WHO'S INCAPABLE OF CONTROLLING HIS DESIRES SO WHY MAKE THE WOMAN OUT TO BE THE 'MEAT' THAT'S TEMPTING??


who wears long clothes these days (apart from muslim women i mean). I reckon you take that opinion from observing women who wear the hijab.
as for your seond point, Well, ask yourself that. Be honest. when a women who is half naked walks down the street ( as opposed to one who isn't), are you not, as a man, going to look, or at least be tempted to. don't tell me no, cause...no way.
 
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Salaam,

[PIE]Among female rape victims, 61% are under age 18. (American Academy of Pediatrics, 1995)[/PIE]

http://www.wavaw.ca/informed_stats.php


There are more and more ,,google for it.

last but not least,i do not doubt that what ever the reason for rape,control may be one of it factors,but what i am saying is that BEAUTIFUL FEMALES WHO REVEAL MORE<>>have a higher chance of being raped.

[FONT=Tahoma, Helvetica, Arial]It is saddening, frustrating as well as dangerous to see the propagation of such erroneous beliefs that not only continue to perpetuate the myths surrounding rape, but also provide the perfect environment for rape to continue. [/FONT]

[FONT=Tahoma, Helvetica, Arial]Rape is not about sudden loss of sexual self-control due to provocation. It is a crime of violence where sex is used to demean and subjugate women. [/FONT]

http://www.wao.org.my/news/20030103provokerape.htm

Your post did not prove your point. You posted that younger females get raped, and guess what, it is because weakness. Not beauty.

Your condoning of a man who tries to blame rape on women because he cannot control his animalistic desires is appalling.

Waram the statistic about the prevalence of rape to younger females whom are smaller in their gentalia is that information which links the phenomena to gog and magog.

Therefore the evidence is sound that males whom rape females and align with gog and magog are those males for whom seeking to extract vanity, which the female is unconscious of being extracted, is the primary cause. A greed for vanity plot. There is one story of an early convert to Islam, and I must apologise for not recalling his name, in which he collected idols and did not convert until a friend smashed all the idols. That is the example required, so good on Taliban for smashing up the Buddha statue even if they got the most important Peace mantra posture instead of the relaxed Buddha whom fault females for pleasure.

waram

PS the acquiring of any pleasure sexually by a man from a woman, when the male ejaculates, is at cause always by making available images of the vanity of the female; and to other men whom pay him for in that pleasure: hence the extreme importance of Hijab.
waram
 
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so would i. Correct me if i'm wrong, but it sounds like your saying that it already does. evidence please.

OK, so no-one gets raped in muslim countries? is this what you're implying? because that would be ludicrious.
 
OK, so no-one gets raped in muslim countries? is this what you're implying? because that would be ludicrious.

No, that not what im implying.i don't know, i don't live there, nor have i been there. what im implying is that, you made a comment, show the evidence, that what i asked.
 
who wears long clothes these days (apart from muslim women i mean). I reckon you take that opinion from observing women who wear the hijab.
as for your seond point, Well, ask yourself that. Be honest. when a women who is half naked walks down the street ( as opposed to one who isn't), are you not, as a man, going to look, or at least be tempted to. don't tell me no, cause...no way.

I can't answer for others, but as a Sikh i wouldn't look at any WOMAN other than my wife. This is what they call 'self control' and yes it is possible if you live according to Gods commands.

BTW - Sikh women and many caucasian women do not walk around wearing bikinIs. :rollseyes
 
I can't answer for others, but as a Sikh i wouldn't look at any WOMAN other than my wife. This is what they call 'self control' and yes it is possible if you live according to Gods commands.

BTW - Sikh women and many caucasian women do not walk around wearing bikinIs. :rollseyes


you don't get atleast tempted to look twice, if your eyes fell on her accidently???
 
No, that not what im implying.i don't know, i don't live there, nor have i been there. what im implying is that, you made a comment, show the evidence, that what i asked.

OK, so you don't read/listen to the news....

Google it, or would you deny (live in your care free world) that anyting reported is a fabrication?
 
you don't get atleast tempted to look twice, if your eyes fell on her accidently???

Erm no! I'm atal (unshakeble) in my faith, but then you wouldn't realise the impact Sikhism and Gurbani can have in ones life! :)
 
I dont fully agree completely with what the Shiekh said, but when I picked up the same Brisbane Courier Mail this morning - and the whole thing was so sensationalised it quite scared me. Why would they wait for 3 days after Eid (since they referred to his Eid Khutbah/sermon) to attack his comments about women? Why no the next day? I believe they had nothing more to write about and thought they could sensationalise this story. Heck - its not even new! We've heard this story before - there was a debate about him saying the same stuff before.

Although I think women should dress modestly, the onus is not fully on them. Quran also states for the believing men to lower their gaze.

Peace
 
Although I think women should dress modestly, the onus is not fully on them. Quran also states for the believing men to lower their gaze.

Peace

Thankyou sister, this is about both people, not just the woman. :)
 
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The sheikh was misinterpreted, thats pretty obvious, also the council at the mosque where he gave the sermon heard him out and let him explain himself, and he did that and they realise that he was indeed misinterpreted.

i wish some muslims would give the guy the benefit of the doubt before they accuse of him of being a fool and whatever else they said about him. but no they believe every word of the media who is already biased against muslims and dont even give a fellow muslim the benefit of the doubt and just start making false accusations and suggest that he resign

pathetic

SHEIK Taj Din al-Hilali has apologised for any offence caused by his comments that immodestly dressed women provoke sexual attacks.
"I unreservedly apologise to any woman who is offended by my comments," he said in a statement yesterday. "I had only intended to protect women's honour, something lost in The Australian's presentation of my talk."

The newspaper had translated a sermon the cleric gave a month ago.

According to The Australian's translation, he said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it . . . whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?" he asked.

"The uncovered meat is the problem.

"If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab (Islamic headscarf which covers the hair neck and shoulders), no problem would have occurred."

But the Mufti of Australia and New Zealand would not back away from his comments and said he was shocked by the way his sermon was interpreted.

"The Australian front page article reported selected comments from a talk presented one month ago," the sheik said.

"The title was 'Why men were mentioned before women for the crime of theft and woman (sic) before men for the sin of fornication'.

"I would like to unequivocally confirm that the presentation related to religious teachings on modesty and not to go to extremes in enticements, this does not condone rape, I condemn rape and reiterate that this is a capital crime.

"Women in our Australian society have the freedom and right to dress as they choose (while) the duty of man is to avert his glance or walk away.

"If a man falls from grace and commits fornication then if this was consensual, they would be both guilty, but if it was forced, then the man has committed a capital crime.

"Whether a man endorses or not, a particular form of dress, any form of harassment of women is unacceptable."


A spokesman for Sheik al-Hilali said the backlash and criticism had badly affected him and he had been depressed and confined to bed, breathing with the assistance of an oxygen tank.

Source
 
Erm no! I'm atal (unshakeble) in my faith, but then you wouldn't realise the impact Sikhism and Gurbani can have in ones life! :)

yeah, the impact of corruption. If one cannot follow the prescribed way of the Quran and sunnah, of controlling one's desire,(or anything else for that matter) than forgot it, theres no other way.
 
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