Australian cleric in dress furore

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why would a man go after a covered women. he wouldn't even look at her.

How do you explain little schoogirls or old ladies getting raped? Did you know 69% of the time the person raped knows the raper. Therefore, the raper isn't some guy who thinks your hot because of your clothes off the street.
 
Therefore, the raper isn't some guy who thinks your hot because of your clothes off the street.

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Could he then be a guy who thinks your hot cos hes has interacted with you? :?

its a serious question btw cos i was using that same evidence that most rapes are by people who know you to argue against people who were agruing 'what about the little girls or old ladies?'
 
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Could he then be a guy who thinks your hot cos hes has interacted with you? :?

its a serious question btw cos i was using that same evidence that most rapes are by people who know you to argue against people who were agruing 'what about the little girls or old ladies?'

:sl: brothers and sisters.

thats what i was trying to ask, but i couldn't get the words out of my mouth properly and into a sentence
 
Could he then be a guy who thinks your hot cos hes has interacted with you?

I think when a your raped by a friend, collegaue, ect, it isn't because the clothes you wear. Women should not be blamed for rape because they don't cover up every part of their skin exccept there eyes.

Men should take responsibility and this shiekh should stop condoning men who cannot control there desires like a bunch of animals.
 
^actually if you read my post he was misunderstood and he did say:

I condemn rape and reiterate that this is a capital crime.

Whether a man endorses or not, a particular form of dress, any form of harassment of women is unacceptable.

therefore to suggest that he is blaming women 100% is not true. he simply had the best interest of the women in mind, reminding them to dress properly to protect themselves...

no one is blaming them for rape just cos they dont cover anything expect their eyes, but when people walk around in hot pants and mini skirts, well, just dont expect much respect from the opposite gender
 
Good posts cheese. :)

When I read the story in the news the first thing i thought was, here we go again!! :rollseyes

What next?!
 
^yeh i know... weird thing is that the same issue happened last year as well!

cant they find something new to pick on and exxagerate :uhwhat
 
its calling looking at the other side of story!

he isnt making excuses for anyone
 
its calling looking at the other side of story!

he isnt making excuses for anyone

There is no other side.

There is a rapist, and a victim.

If .01% of blame is put on a rape victim then it is condoning the rapist.

Making an excuse for an animal.
 
and to pretend that every single rape case that ever occured involves a victim who is 100% innocent is just lame.....

just for your info, the punishment for rape in islam is death
 
There is no other side.

There is a rapist, and a victim.

If .01% of blame is put on a rape victim then it is condoning the rapist.

Making an excuse for an animal.

your being silly....

it's like someoen puttin themselves on railways n blaming the train driver 4 runnin em over on purpose. Both are guilty, but surely blame does go on the kiwi brain on the train tracks!!

similarly.. the rapist is a criminal (high qualified criminal), and the victim is a victim of the rapist as well as her own enticements to the other crook!!

hard 2 comprehend?

salam
 
it's like someoen puttin themselves on railways n blaming the train driver 4 runnin em over on purpose. Both are guilty, but surely blame does go on the kiwi brain on the train tracks!!

What!!!!!?!?!

That must be the sickest comparison I have ever seen.

Women should not have to worry about what to wear because hormone crazed men cannot control there sexual desires.
 
and men shouldnt have to worry that if they go outside of their homes they will be confronted with sights of semi-naked women whose presence will make them 'uncomfortable' to say the least.

ah, but i guess there are moraless men out their who will enjoy the free show

people should think about the consequances of their actions, and im not necessarily talking just about rape here.
 
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and men shouldnt have to worry that if they go outside of their homes they will be confronted with sights of semi-naked women whose presence will make them 'uncomfortable' to say the least.


Are you suggesting that a naturaul instinct of a man when confronted by the sight of a semi-naked woman is to rape her? I am a man and I definitly do not have the urge to rape people because I cannot control myself when seeing an attractive lady.
One rape myth that disqualifies potential rapists is the idea of an uncontrollable male sexual drive. This myth serves to justify the sexual, physical, and emotional domination of the male offender over his victim by naturalizing his coercive behavior. By categorizing male sexuality as not active but reactive, this myth of uncontrollable male sexuality absolves the rapist from responsibility for his actions and blames the victim for instigating such behavior. Akin to the idea that "boys will be boys," we accept that men reach a certain point of sexual arousal at which point they lose mental control of their physical desire. This myth essentializes men, naturalizes rape, and heaps the burden of sexual morality and responsibility, for both genders, on women. In contrast, a stereotype used to qualify offenders is the rapist as serial criminal or clinically insane.


Recently I was yet again appalled at media representations of rape, when a
local TV network accounted for the cause of sexual violence with this
statement: "Women walking at night should not wear mini skirts in order to
avoid rape".

This advice was not the result of research and evidence, but of moralistic
judgements ironically aimed at female victims. To the viewers the message
that they obtain from this is that rape happens only to women wearing
seductive clothing and that the men who commit rape are unable to control
their desires as a result. Hence, rapists are the innocent targets of
seduction by "bad" women who lure otherwise good law-abiding citizens into
committing a sexual offence. Research into rape refutes that there is a necessary cause-effect relationship between seductive clothing and sexual attack. Rather, experts argue that this sort of explanation is merely a myth established to justify female oppression through the control of women's behavior.

Although there can be no qualified data to support such an explanation of
"cause", the reports of rape in the media continue to reinforce ignorant
attitudes. The Jakarta Post reported that a man broke into a woman's house
just after she had finished taking a bath. The man raped her. The Post felt
it necessary to end the report by commenting that the woman was wearing no underwear under her sarong.

As the inclusion of such information was irrelevant, what must the readership
think? A woman was raped; she was improperly dressed. Are we to believe that the woman was at fault? There are strong implications here and whether this was intentional or not, the media must accept more responsibility for the
role it has in shaping social attitudes.

To target a woman as the guilty party in her own rape has dangerous
consequences, because as long as the "cause" is accepted by society as being female seduction, then victims will be reluctant to come forward. They will fear that instead of attaining legal and social justice, they will instead
become the object of social condemnation, and accusations that they had
somehow "invited" the rape. The knock on effect can only lead to a greater
sense of impunity for sex offenders, and instead of preventing rape, may well
encourage it.

Should they choose to, it is possible for members of the media to make a
positive contribution toward rape prevention, by first challenging their own
preconceived ideas, and the way in which they report such incidents. They can begin by excluding suggestive "victim-blaming" remarks. As for the readership, we should all take a more active role in rejecting or
opposing damaging reports which promote prejudice or sexual violence. Perhaps we should consider the following advice as an alternative to that offered above: Women of any description should monitor the work of the media in order to prevent rape, because we are all potential victims, and only through actively working to change attitudes can we create a social environment in which women are encouraged to seek justice.
 
and men shouldnt have to worry that if they go outside of their homes they will be confronted with sights of semi-naked women whose presence will make them 'uncomfortable' to say the least.
Oh those poor men. Such victoms. We should never expect men to control themselves.

If a totally naked woman walking down the street is not safe, there is a problem.
 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6090136.stm

Australia's top Muslim cleric has been barred from preaching for up to three months, after comparing immodestly dressed women to "uncovered meat".
Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilali's comments, suggesting that women who did not wear a headscarf attracted sexual assault, have caused a storm of protest.
Sydney's mosque association said the suspension would give the cleric time to consider the impact of his words.
Many people - including some Muslim leaders - have called for the cleric to be dismissed from office.
 
Hey you two, before you reply, read my post!

im not necessarily talking just about rape here.

If a totally naked woman walking down the street is not safe, there is a problem.

Yeh, she is the problem. lets not forget, that is against the law even in australia!
 
Hey you two, before you reply, read my post!





Yeh, she is the problem. lets not forget, that is against the law even in australia!
I'm not talking about what is legal or not. I'm talking about some sicko excuse for violating someone. :grumbling :grumbling :hiding:
 
Yes the guy is still guilty if her rapes her but the women is an idiot as well. Dur.

Do not pretend that the Sheikh was trying to justify rape. He was simply making an observation and urging Muslim women to protect themselves by dressing modestly! He in no way said that rape was acceptable!

Not only that, his speech was about adultery and relationships outside of marriage- not specifically rape!
 
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