Back From Iraq

[snakelegs]

some of the returning veterans are speaking out.
http://warcomeshome.org/

 

[truemuslim]

some of the returning veterans are speaking out.
http://warcomeshome.org/

wow "shh" 1000 veterans are tryna do suicide each month.
why am i not surprised?

 

[Air Jordan]

Not necessarily. Many of the soldiers who suffer from post traumatic stress due to the war, often have problems recounting the events in a logical and chronological order. It may take him years of therapy to sort out exactly what happened and the U.S. military knows that. I would think most people would know that. It isn't easy sepearating what they saw from what they did and so on. Besides, there are far too many soldiers coming back with these reports to discount and discredit them all.

The Ninth Scribe

So let me understand. You are suggesting he has selective, variable traumatic amnesia and he confabulates things that never happened and he miraculously recovers his memory when challenged by a reporter and he has a political agenda.


Yes..I see it now. A clear case of PTSD.

 

[Air Jordan]

^ u missed the fact it is an AMERICAN soldier, meaning killing is what he signed up for..........

No it isn't. That is your idea of what he signed up for...or more likely, you know it not to be true and you are simply trying to insult.

 

[truemuslim]

No it isn't. That is your idea of what he signed up for...or more likely, you know it not to be true and you are simply trying to insult.

so people sign up for the army so they can go spread peace around the world rather than killing innocent people and come up witha lame excuse for it? (i dont thiiink so)

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

So let me understand. You are suggesting he has selective, variable traumatic amnesia and he confabulates things that never happened and he miraculously recovers his memory when challenged by a reporter and he has a political agenda. Yes..I see it now. A clear case of PTSD.

Oh my... a wannabe psychologist! Well, why not? I've met quite a few wannabe soldiers here too. All I said was that it's a lot to sort out and it would be like taking candy from a baby to trip him up at this point. Now, you can suggest to the members of this forum that these soldiers don't actually suffer post traumatic stress, but the military doesn't even buy that. And you can state to the members of this forum that post traumatic stress wouldn't cause a person to trip up his recollection - but the psychologists wouldn't buy that either. It does cause uneven recollection where some things stand out more than others - and it takes time to sort it all out. You never went through that, so it's not exactly fair of you to cry witch from the side-lines. You should let the qualified psychologists... do their job. In the meantime, he lived through the ordeal and, therefore, he's earned the right to talk about it. You don't have to listen. But you weren't there so you don't exactly have the right to bash him for not supporting your agenda either.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

so people sign up for the army so they can go spread peace around the world rather than killing innocent people and come up witha lame excuse for it? (i dont thiiink so)

Amazing, that mind-set, huh? I always get floored when I hear that crap. But the young bucks who enlisted, weren't getting the whole story and quite a number of them were really ignorant - which is why they're having post traumatic stress disorders and what have you. You should see the commercials that advertise for enlistment here - they're very "different" from reality. But the ads aren't working now, so the military is now taking in felons and directing their ad campaigns toward parents. I expect they're going to use the recession to their advantage as well - because work is elusive nowadays. Some will enlist just to get a job.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[TrueStranger]

^ u missed the fact it is an AMERICAN soldier, meaning killing is what he signed up for, btw isnt it like hard to leave the marines??? they forcin people to go now so how could htye let him quit that easily if they despirate??

No one really knows why they signed up for.

I hope it isn’t to kill people for the sake of killing.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

These commercials are opposite of what's going on. I always see one.

 

[truemuslim]

Amazing, that mind-set, huh? I always get floored when I hear that crap. But the young bucks who enlisted, weren't getting the whole story and quite a number of them were really ignorant - which is why they're having post traumatic stress disorders and what have you. You should see the commercials that advertise for enlistment here - they're very "different" from reality. But the ads aren't working now, so the military is now taking in felons and directing their ad campaigns toward parents.

The Ninth Scribe

care to tell me the reason for war and joining the army then? Does ANYONE benifit from it? NO . Does it make ANYTHING better ? NOOO .

No one really knows why they signed up for.

I hope it isn’t to kill people for the sake of killing.

Yeh allahu alim.
Some of them...MOST of them are forced to join the army, they are forcing like everybody these days here in the states. girls and boys.:raging:

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

These commercials are opposite of what's going on. I always see one.

Aren't they misleading? I get upset every time I see one! You made your kids strong... we'll make them army strong... fades to scene where small kid is helping dad load a bail of hay into a pickup truck. Maybe they should show the kid throwing a burned body into the **** pick-up truck. But then, they won't get too many enlisting if they showed that. And parents certainly wouldn't go for the sight of their sons coming back with legs and arms missing - if they don't come back in a box. Meanwhile back at the ranch, they're complaining about Hip Hop because it's... too violent, lol.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[TrueStranger]

Yeh allahu alim.
Some of them...MOST of them are forced to join the army, they are forcing like everybody these days here in the states. girls and boys.:raging:

I know a lot of (IVAW) Iraqi Veterans Against the War. The MSA and the IVAW in my college are every well connected and allied.

They aren't directly forced, but they are certainly tricked into joining the forces, and the recruiters mostly target low-income students. :raging:

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Aren't they misleading? I get upset every time I see one! You made your kids strong... we'll make them army strong... fades to scene where small kid is helping dad load a bail of hay into a pickup truck. Maybe they should show the kid throwing a burned body into the **** pick-up truck. But then, they won't get too many enlisting if they showed that. And parents certainly wouldn't go for the site of their sons coming back with legs and arms missing - if they don't come back in a box. Meanwhile back at the ranch, they're upset with Hip Hop because it's... too violent, lol.

The Ninth Scribe

Well it's kinda obvious most people are reaaalllly clueless. Coz we know what happens when people come back from events like that. I dont know how anyone falls for it :exhausted Or maybe its just me >.<

 

[truemuslim]

I know a lot of (IVAW) Iraqi Veterans Against the War. The MSA and the IVAW in my college are every well connected and allied.

They aren't directly forced, but they are certainly tricked into joining the forces, and the recruiters mostly target low-income students. :raging:

Yeh, u kno some of them they threaten them so they can go. and sometimes they find the slacker in the last year of high school and start convincing them to go. like my brother

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

I dont know how anyone falls for it :exhausted Or maybe its just me >.<

Mass media campaigns that are deceitful, skillfully manipulating the numbers of the dead... and frightening the people into believing there is no other form of employment. Maybe we Americans should just stop paying their wages. Maybe we should remember that WE pay THEM - and let's just see how they like it when they get laid off? Seriously, I'm sick of their condescending tone... making us feel like they're doing us a special favor with stimulous checks when the truth is, it was our **** money in the first place!

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Yea it is our money...and seeing my dad, how he works....it really ticks me off. My dad is always working overnights....and only takes a day off. Now he traded his only day off for more hours, to get more money to support us. It's saddening really >.< Oops lol. anyway, most of the people i know who go into the army do it for the money.

 

[Air Jordan]

so people sign up for the army so they can go spread peace around the world rather than killing innocent people and come up witha lame excuse for it? (i dont thiiink so)

Darn. I wish you weren't so persuasive. I see your point. I have reversed my position.

I hereby wish to announce to the forum that I now agree with truemuslim that every soldier and every Marine and every sailor and every airman that has ever served in the US Armed Forces is or was a closet sociopath and signed up for the express purpose of killing innocent people for sport. Quite possibly they tormented the neighborhood pets when they were kids as well. And, I mean all tens of millions of them, btw (not the pets...the soldiers and Marines etc).

And it goes for draftees too.

Strangely, I feel better now. That was very cathartic. My therapist has been after me to work on my SGS (Superpower Guilt Syndrome)

 

[truemuslim]

Darn. I wish you weren't so persuasive. I see your point. I have reversed my position.

I hereby wish to announce to the forum that I now agree with truemuslim that every soldier and every Marine and every sailor and every airman that has ever served in the US Armed Forces is or was a closet sociopath and signed up for the express purpose of killing innocent people for sport. Quite possibly they tormented the neighborhood pets when they were kids as well. And, I mean all tens of millions of them, btw (not the pets...the soldiers and Marines etc).

And it goes for draftees too.

Strangely, I feel better now. That was very cathartic. My therapist has been after me to work on my SGS (Superpower Guilt Syndrome)

ARE U KIDDIN ME?!?!?!!?!!!!!?????? OMG :laugh: (thats laugin at the moment)
ok
tell me what the U.S ARMY Does in IRAQ ? did they go to "help" make the world peaceful???? did they "Accidently" kill all those innocent people??? WHY are they in Iraq? Why did they go to Iraq?????


p.s. :raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging: :statisfie

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Yea it is our money...and seeing my dad, how he works....it really ticks me off. My dad is always working overnights....and only takes a day off. Now he traded his only day off for more hours, to get more money to support us. It's saddening really >.< Oops lol. anyway, most of the people i know who go into the army do it for the money.

It's worse than saddening. It's bordering on slavery. We work to support a government who clearly doesn't support us and your story isn't a lonely one. A co-worker of mine (58 years old), works two jobs for a studio apartment and one company is trying to get her to work a schedule that disrupts the other. The trouble is, if she does this, she'll lose the second job and the first company isn't increasing her hours - it's just changing them around a lot. If she doesn't agree, they'll cut her hours. Another of the women declared she was going to get disability... but she opted out of that because it only pays $850.00 per month! Her rent is $800.00 a month... so she'll have $50.00 left over for electric, food, laundry, etc. The government hasn't issued a cost of living increase, nor has it confronted the causes of cost of living increases.
So everyone is stuck in a rut. The only reason I'm not buried myself is because I took out a power design I had created 20 years ago that no one was interested in at the time, so I'm off the national grid. I did that two years ago in retaliation to the state allowing NStar electric to increase their cost here 87% - which translated to a $735.00 per month electric bill for me.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[truemuslim]

Yea it is our money...and seeing my dad, how he works....it really ticks me off. My dad is always working overnights....and only takes a day off. Now he traded his only day off for more hours, to get more money to support us. It's saddening really >.< Oops lol. anyway, most of the people i know who go into the army do it for the money.

Omg my dad is EXACTLY like that..it only da sundays off, somtimes.
neway
we are supporting them right now (the army) when we pay are freakin taxes