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Saudi Arabia: Beheadings for ‘witchcraft’
Published: 19 April, 2012, 12:38
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A Sri Lankan woman is currently facing decapitation by sword on a witchcraft charge in Saudi Arabia, in accordance with Wahhabism, a strict form of Sunni Islam.

The UN reports executions tripled in the kingdom in 2011.


A Saudi man complained that in a shopping mall his 13-year-old daughter “suddenly started acting in an abnormal way, which happened after she came close to the Sri Lankan woman,” reports the daily Okaz.


After the local man denounced the Sri Lankan for casting a spell on his daughter, police in the port city of Jeddah found it sufficient cause to arrest the woman.
Witchcraft and sorcery imply only one measure in Saudi Arabia – beheading. And it works this way in practice: last year in the kingdom at least two people – a woman in her 60s and a Sudanese man – were beheaded on witchcraft charges.


In the absolute monarchy that Saudi Arabia is, a criminal code does not exist per se. Court sentences are based on Islamic Sharia law on the interpretation of judges.
No sticking your neck out under Sharia law


Capital punishment is applied regularly and indiscriminately to locals and foreign citizens.


According to Sharia law, crimes that imply capital punishment are numerous. It could be anything from murder and terrorism to apostasy, idolatry and blasphemy.


Still, Sharia law leaves a loophole for those who have money. In the case of murder, the “eye for an eye” principle of Islamic law allows capital punishment to be replaced with Diyya (“Blood money”) ransom paid by the family of the killer – if the bereaved family agrees.


In oil-rich Saudi Arabia, the number of wealthy citizens is off the chart and the sum of Diyya could reach millions of dollars. But for those millions of guest workers who do most of the work in Saudi Arabia, this is definitely not an option. In case they are found guilty of a capital crime, execution by beheading is the only option left to them under Sharia law.


The beheading of Indonesian national Ruyati binti Sapubi in 2011 sparked a widely-discussed scandal. The 54-year-old woman, who worked as a maid, was sentenced to death after she confessed of murdering her employer with a kitchen knife after suffering abuse.


With about 1.5 million Indonesians working in Saudi Arabia, many of them as maids, the ruling caused an outcry in Indonesia, which even considered banning its women from working in the kingdom. After the Saudi Arabian ambassador officially apologized for the incident, the initiative was left in oblivion.


The cases of mistreatment of maids, who came in waves to Saudi Arabia in the recent past, received a different attitude of national justice. In April 2011, a Saudi woman convicted of torturing her Indonesian maid successfully had her conviction quashed on appeal.


In January 2012 the United Nations human rights office expressed concern with increased number of executions in Saudi Arabia. Compared to 2010 when 26 people got capital punishment rulings for various crimes, in 2011 there have been 76 executions in the kingdom.


Among the beheaded were at least three women and 11 foreigners.

http://rt.com/news/saudi-arabia-sharia-beheading-435/
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Re: Welcome to the medieval age

medieval and barbaric is really a matter of perspective, who is laying out the ground rules for the title? There's a different kind of witch hunt that goes on in the civilized west.. of course this one uses is drones, framing, baiting, imprisonment without trial, or millions of dollars spent to take away people's rights at free speech. I really wouldn't be quick to point the finger when the situation on the other side is equally laughable if not more..

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Being a minority in Saudi Arabia is not the best thing, but can't RT present this news in a professional manner and not to try to create hype.
 
what's the point of passively relaying current affairs without using it as a tool to inflame some and manipulate others?
 
When you have something this insane there is really no reason to play it up. People in today's day and age being "beheaded for witchcraft" is a special level of crazy.
 
Yes indeed fishing out 73 year old men and putting them in a concentration camp in a remote island off the coast of Florida for nearly a decade without charging them with a crime or trial in this day and age is a new kind of crazy.. Well at least KSA is a sovereign state not baiting foreign nationals into its soil for a beheading or sending their drones out to kill little kids as they're collateral damage. What a strange world we live in indeed
 
Witchcraft is suchh a horrible thing and is kufr, death is nothing compared to it. If Allah ordered to kill sahir (witch) then it's obligatory to do it in an islamic country following the shariah, and it's the job of the ruler to do it. The ruler should also estabish proof that someone is really doing witchcraft.
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/82201
That's from a pure islamic perspective. We have to avoid rejecting Allah's commandements. When and how to practice it, it's another thing.

But now are KSA rulers really practicing sharia, that's another issue too. Personally I guess KSA rulers are contradicting and disobedeying sharia from political perspective, and are betraying the ummah by persecuting ulama' who criticize their policy, after that are they legitimately able to practice shariah ? I dunno.
 
When you have something this insane there is really no reason to play it up. People in today's day and age being "beheaded for witchcraft" is a special level of crazy.

And I guess Same Sex Marriage doesn't appear to be a new level of insanity for "people in today's world"?
 
I wonder why people of Today's day even perform witchcraft (activities)!
 
I wonder why people of Today's day even perform witchcraft (activities)!
:sl: I think one of the reasons could be money. There was a case of a witch-craft that is known in Jakarta that makes a living and lots and lots of money by helping politicians for his own benefit. It seems strange how he could ride in a mercedes-benz without getting arrested, then again maybe he could use his money to shut the authorities up. Of course, he's one of the few thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of people who practice witchcraft in South-East asia and we use the term 'bomoh' (Bo Moh) to describe them
 
Saudi Arabia too use torturing as investigation method to get confessions like they want.

Torturing is not accepted in islam. Right?
 
Salaam,

How on Earth was this proved in court? You cannot execute people without strong evidence.

Moving on, Saudi Monarchy is a disgrace to allow foreigners to be mistreated. How can this disgusting monarchy occupy Mecca and Medina? I don't even know why some Muslims defend the monarchy. All members of the Saudi monarchy who are involved in corruption and going against Islam ought to be executed. As for the Saudis who mistreat their workers and maid, they are vile and deserve to be lashed.
 
Saudi Arabia too use torturing as investigation method to get confessions like they want.

Can you provide evidence that torture was used here?
I am always impressed by people's ability to pass a judicial ruling on cases they have not sat for, and to more often than not side with the perpetrator than the victim..
Poor sergeant so & so had PTSD but no sympathy for 17 mothers and children killed in cold blood and torched in the night. .. or is that not medieval & barbaric?
People should really question their own ridiculous practices before pointing the finger.
Practicing paganism in whatever form including that which is intended to cause harm to others through stupid means (whether or not harm is afflicted) is punishable by death. People should think twice before acting out.

best,
 
I'll reserve judgement... The last time a similar case came, we later found out that the person executed for "witchcraft" was actually making money scamming people, telling them their fortune etc.

But I don't deny Saudi's justice system is corrupt/inconsistent.
 
And I guess Same Sex Marriage doesn't appear to be a new level of insanity for "people in today's world"?

I can't tell if you are serious. You would really consider two guys getting married as more crazy and evil than beheading somebody after accusing them of "witchcraft"? If you had to choose, would you take the Salem witch trials over some gay pride parade?
 
I can't tell if you are serious. You would really consider two guys getting married as more crazy and evil than beheading somebody after accusing them of "witchcraft"? If you had to choose, would you take the Salem witch trials over some gay pride parade?

Witches were killed for witchcraft for ages, as for "two men/women getting married". That is obviously something new and completely insane to say the least.
 
How on Earth was this proved in court? You cannot execute people without strong evidence.

Something like this is never proved in court in any rational way. Historically they'll do something like tell the witch to prove they are not one, or set them on fire or submerge them in water to see if they live or die. If they die then they were not a witch. If they live then they are a witch so they get killed.

In more modern times it may be more practical to get the person to confess they are a witch (through torture or coerciion) or prove that they are doing strange rituals. The person in question may actually believe they are holding some sort of power (which can't be proved) or may have purported to such as those late night infomercials for crystals, psychic phone networks, ouiji boards, etc.

What qualifies as "doing witch craft"? Does the person have to actually have some power or are guys like Yuri Gellar (exposed fraud), Pen & Teller (show magicians who tell you it isn't real), etc at risk of execution?

lol I honestly did not know that people in today's day and age still actually believe in witchcraft. I thought that went out with the lucky rabbits foot and magic 8 ball.
 
Something like this is never proved in court in any rational way. Historically they'll do something like tell the witch to prove they are not one, or set them on fire or submerge them in water to see if they live or die. If they die then they were not a witch. If they live then they are a witch so they get killed.
What the hell are you talking about? is this the idiots guide to 'witchcraft'?
In more modern times it may be more practical to get the person to confess they are a witch (through torture or coerciion) or prove that they are doing strange rituals. The person in question may actually believe they are holding some sort of power (which can't be proved) or may have purported to such as those late night infomercials for crystals, psychic phone networks, ouiji boards, etc.
These people use extortion and lies to manipulate people and that is a punishable crime!
What qualifies as "doing witch craft"? Does the person have to actually have some power or are guys like Yuri Gellar (exposed fraud), Pen & Teller (show magicians who tell you it isn't real), etc at risk of execution?
People go to said individuals and ask them to do harm, whatever crap they do is ineffectual anyway since no harm befalls anyone through the 'voodoo' done by a quack. The intent to do harm even if the measures are laughable is a punishable crime.. was that difficult to understand?

lol I honestly did not know that people in today's day and age still actually believe in witchcraft. I thought that went out with the lucky rabbits foot and magic 8 ball.
It isn't a matter of belief or disbelief.. it is the same thing as using 'preemptive measures' to imprison or drone Muslims whose opinions you don't agree with because they're 'terrorists' thinking Islamic thoughts gets you droned and by the same token the application is to 'witchcraft' people who intend to do harm by said means are punished by death.

Hope that clears things up for you.. you seem to have difficulty grasping simple concepts.

best,
 
Have any of you checked up on or debunked the story?

Article said:
A Saudi man complained that in a shopping mall his 13-year-old daughter “suddenly started acting in an abnormal way, which happened after she came close to the Sri Lankan woman,” reports the daily Okaz.

After the local man denounced the Sri Lankan for casting a spell on his daughter, police in the port city of Jeddah found it sufficient cause to arrest the woman.

If this is true then it has nothing to do with the Sri Lankan woman intending anybody harm or even doing anything whatsoever. It is an accusation made by a man with no stated basis beside seeing his daughter acting abnormally. And the police arrested her based on that? Sounds just like Salem.

Are we missing something? Or are things really that insane in that country?

Edited to add: Did a little digging because I don't know the site this article is from and it didn't look legit to me. Turns out it likely is legit. Here is the reuters link http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/18/us-saudi-witchcraft-rights-idUSBRE83H0UM20120418
 
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