Beheadings for ‘witchcraft’

[Muhammad]

Greetings Laura,

I'm surprised not to see more compassion for this woman, instead the thread has to turn argumentative. I know there are those that say in Islam witchcraft is prohibited and we have no idea what went on in the trial, but in your heart of hearts to you truly believe this old woman is guilty of witchcraft? Just because a 13 year old girl started acting strangely, what proof is this that it is witchcraft?

That is the point expressed by many posts in this thread - it is difficult to believe a woman would be accused of witchcraft based on this. That is why we are saying the full details of this story remain to be ascertained, as it is not uncommon for truth to become twisted especially when 'Shariah Law' is being presented to non-Muslim readers.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Greetings Laura,

That is the point expressed by many posts in this thread - it is difficult to believe a woman would be accused of witchcraft based on this. That is why we are saying the full details of this story remain to be ascertained, as it is not uncommon for truth to become twisted especially when 'Shariah Law' is being presented to non-Muslim readers.

I agree but I also note that I was the only one who made the least bit of effort to bebunk it, and in doing so only found other sources confirming it. So my reaction stands.

 

[Abz2000]

it's not just ksa where they arrest people based on complaint, but it happened to me in England, this guy told me i "look like a terrorist" so i slapped him - ON CAMERA, and he fell to the floor, he called the police and told them i had pulled a knife on him and demanded £50 and had then punched him - despite the whole incident being recorded on 5 different cameras from different angles. well, they arrested me for armed robbery, we went through the footage during the interview, and they still remanded me and i wasn't released for 3 days until court, finally the court gave me a hefty fine and an addition to my record, AND a suspended sentence - for assault by beating. and refused to even look into all the lies the guy had told, despite perverting the course of justice carrying a much heavier sentence.
and yes, they have also stopped me on my way to Muslim protests and asked me where i'm going and why, using "there was a fight just back there" (near my house) as an excuse.
that's hypocrisy.

secondly, the description the lamestream media gave of the events - those are not grounds for executing someone in Islam, even a lay scholar can tell you that. yes, maybe they have to investigate based on the complaint, though that doesn't sound like grounds to hold someone in detention or to even send them to court.

thirdly, people involved in the saudi monarchy have admittedly been trying to use media to turn the youth away from Islam and from struggle against despots and criminal invaders -
(source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/07/wikileaks-cables-letterman-housewives-saudi )

so i wouldn't put it past them to be using stupid and ridiculous cases to discredit Islam themselves - though we can't say for sure that this is the case in this matter unless we get more info.

fourthly, they are capable of bullshi*ting openly with wide eyes things like : "there is no doubt that iraq had weapons of mass destruction" - and some of us seem to swallow it hook line and sinker every time.
how can one even take their words at face value - ask any court if they accept the testimony of proven liars.

fifthly - i am disgusted that a member put up an article misrepresenting shariah without even clarifying her position on the matter, especially given her past hate against our respected scholars who have been martyred for speaking the truth.

 

[Abz2000]

welcome to the forum laura, may God make you benefit from the opinions of this diverse community.

i notice you also read this thread: http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/134307099-nigerian-baby-factory-raided.html#post1444345

Others are sold into prostitution while a few are either killed or tortured in black magic rituals. NAPTIP says it has also seen a trend of illegal adoption.

and are probably aware of the fact that whether or not these sick people who practice witchcraft have an effect or not, the crimes they commit are sickening and some of them deserve beheading.

human sacrifice - especially infant sacrifice, is something that these pagans revel in and see as the utmost pinnacle of pleasing their "dark lord satan".


Satanic rituals and human sacrifice, especially of children, are performed on a vast scale and involve some of the most famous politicians, business people, media owners and entertainers on the planet. Of course they do. It would be amazing if they did not, given the background.

These rituals and human sacrifice have always been the foundation of the Brotherhood ’religion’ since ancient times. And the Brotherhood manipulates its Satanic initiates and ’gofers’ into the positions of political, economic, business, military, medical and media power, and into influential positions in the world of entertainment.


Therefore the ratio of Satanists and child sacrifices at the top of these professions and institutions is staggeringly high compared with the general population. Apparently, according to former Satanists I have met and read about, some world politicians are addicted to blood taken from a victim at the moment of sacrifice because of the adrenaline which is produced at that time. I am told this addiction is quite common among Satanists,

the queen of england's ancestry goes back to vlad dracul according to charles himself,
(SOURCE: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ea...ampaigning-to-save-Count-Dracula-forests.html ).

another sick and bloodthirsty tyrant. and the current elite bloodlines all seem to be intertwined and joined by occult masonry (previously templars) babylonian kabbalist rituals, and satanism, and they even hold huge pagan midsummer celebrations at bohemian grove while burning a child in effigy.

and yes, they include presidents, international bankers, media barons, and other politicians and influential people from the highest positions in decision making. and not surprisingly - some meet there first, and then go onto become presidents one after the other despite being previously obscure to the public.

Summer, 1967 at Owls Nest Camp with two future U.S. presidents.
Around the table, left to right: Preston Hotchkis, ​

Ronald Reagan

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Harvey Hancock

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Richard Nixon

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Glenn T. Seaborg

, Jack Sparks, (unidentified individual), (unidentified individual), and ​

Edwin W. Pauley

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and they loved this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

so i'm sure you'd agree that witchcraft is something to take seriously.

here's more if you're still sceptical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCOF2WmNHOk​

 

[Pygoscelis]

it's not just ksa where they arrest people based on complaint, but it happened to me in England, this guy told me i "look like a terrorist" so i slapped him - ON CAMERA, and he fell to the floor, he called the police and told them i had pulled a knife on him and demanded £50 and had then punched him - despite the whole incident being recorded on 5 different cameras from different angles. well, they arrested me for armed robbery

You are right. They should have arrested you for assault, not armed robbery. Not unless they had more evidence.

And um.. I have to admit.. I honestly can not tell if that last post was serious or parody. Poe's law at work.

 

[LauraS]

Abz2000- Hi, yeah I read that thread and those people are disgusting. However, weren't they murdering children they believed to be possesed? I can't remember. Of course people misguided and ignorant people attempt to carry out magic and if it involves harming people or animals they should be punished. In that case it appears to have been an overreaction on the part of the father, the woman wasn't in the middle of the shopping centre carrying out a child sacrifice, according to reports she simply came into contact with the girl. I wonder if any more will come out about it soon?

Also it would have been better if you hadn't have punched that man, you should have just have remained calm and shown yourself to be the better person.

 

[May Ayob]

I know this is kind of late but the article above doesn't actually give any sound proof or evidence that the sri lankin woman is a witch crafter by any means. Did the father ever consider that his daughter might be suffering from medical conditions? How can they be so hasty in making such a decision without even providing evidence you can't spillblood that easily and get away with it this is just too much.I really hope they dont execute her. I believe she is innocent.

 

[جوري]

In fact we don't know what went down in the courtroom or outside of it to speak one way of her guilt or innocence. It has always been a judicial matter.
At any rate there's a group of rabid maids in Saudi that have been slaughtering families, I just posted an article about the matter, so it isn't so inconceivable that some folks are criminals and that news especially that which comes out of the west about Islam or Muslims in general, are meant to shape a particular brand of public opinion.

 

[May Ayob]

Thankyou for the reply.
I 'think' I am aware of the fact that there are crime happening by people working in there but the text or what I've read and maybe I'm missing somethinb here is that the girl started acting in an abnormal way when she came in contact with the woman, I'm afraid maybe I might face the same fate if the same incident happened to me and I'm also afraid that I'll be trying to figure out exactly *why* shoulc I be held convicted of somethinb I havd not made.If I were to be arreted for that one and only reason I think I deserve to know *why* I am being treated in this way and to be honet the way I see it although I maybe wrong is that this is only a matter of bias,discrimination and down right prejudice another way to 'clear up ' immigrants by being suspiious of them and then assigning them to e ecution because they are 'scary' and 'untrustworthy'. Also I don't understand why there should be an outrage
and hatred for someonecommiting the sin witchcraft almost always goes against its master in firt place and it does more harm to the one who is practising it than the one who its plotted against. Beides theres always room for repentance

 

[May Ayob]

Soryy I had some trouble finishing my first post. But yeah mainly theres nothing really to prove the woman is practicing witchcraft there should be more compassion and it doesn't hurt if theh treated immigrants in a kinder manner I mean there nothing to lose is there. I maybe wrong but I think this is a case of suspiicion and creulty.


Thank you.

 

[GuestFellow]

We don't know what happened.

 

[May Ayob]

^ True. Hopefully everything turns out good.Let's leave it there.

 

[LauraS]

At any rate there's a group of rabid maids in Saudi that have been slaughtering families, I just posted an article about the matter, so it isn't so inconceivable that some folks are criminals

I don't know about any rabid maids but I find it inconceivable that this woman has such powerful "magic" that she caused a girl to fall ill merely by "being close to her".

 

[جوري]

I don't know about any rabid maids but I find it inconceivable that this woman has such powerful "magic" that she caused a girl to fall ill merely by "being close to her".

those are two separate issues- I have made a separate thread on the latter topic with the purpose of showcasing that not all Saudis are maid haters and abusers, nor are all maids poor beaten down trodden women just looking to make an honest living in fact some of them stab children to death 20~30 times.
I don't personally agree with having live in maids but that is a personal issue and a personal opinion, sort of like the personal opinion you closed your own post with. It is irrelevant what you or I think of the case as I have stated and repeatedly, it is a judicial issue. We didn't sit for the case nor know of all the variables to judge any of the characters- also refer to my earlier posts on the subject of 'witchcraft' itself. I have amply clarified it and don't feel like repeating myself.

best,

 

[Muezzin]

Is the story in the first post even true? There are (conveniently?) no names provided for any of the parties, though the accused is described as a 'Sri Lankan woman'.

Also, this thread is nearly a year old at the time of writing this post. What's with the bumpage? Come on guys.

 

[جوري]

beats me.. not enough sob stories in the world I guess.. folks got used to the blood baths in Syria and it has no effect anymore so let's cry our guts out over a story we know nothing of!

 

[ardianto]

Many of Indonesian workers in Saudi actually are "the traditionalist Muslims". And usually before they go to Saudi they make consultation with local "traditionalist" Islamic teachers to make them safe, and respected by other people in their jobs in Saudi. Regarding to it, sometime those "traditionalist" Islamic teacher give them stuff that we know as Taweez, or even amulet. And it would becomes a problem if their employers know that those workers have these stuff because these stuffs are categorized as magic stuffs in Saudi.

 

[جوري]

Allah A3lam About all that.
I can tell you that I have people in my family living in the gulf with live in maids, one cousin for instance has a Filipino who lied about being Muslim, lied about being married and lied about having a kid.. and yet he hired her anyway and she's treated very well she says that she got very lucky with my cousin's family. I don't like him hiring a maid I don't like for people to work in servitude in general but it is better than prostitution and I don't like the fact that she lied either but people do what they do and it is never what it appears on the surface!
So we can't really judge any case. People lie all the time about most minor things.

 

[Darth Ultor]

Saudi is an Islamic state? I didn't think an Islamic state existed since the Ottoman Empire disbanded.

 

[sister herb]

Was The Ottoman Empire islamic state?