Being an atheist.

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Oddly enough the research on apostacy (with christian subjects) shows that more often than not apostates who had been highly religious were led away from their religion precisely BECAUSE of the importance their religion placed on the "one truth". They had it instilled in them that the truth is important and they must not decieve, so they started to aknowledge their internal doubts and had to face realities about their faith being what faith is - belief because they were told to or wanted to believe. Over time they came to aknowledge that this is irrational and they turned apostate. It is a very common story amongst those who turn away from highly religious mindsets.
 
Skavau said:
And you don't know what goes on inside my heart and head. So your assumption that I inherently argue against the existence of God is false.


I do not see your point. I meant I was sincere and honest in that I don't believe in Islam and I don't believe in God. Those are sincere disbeliefs. All of the other virtues you just mentioned in the above paragraph can be found and understood outside of Islam.
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was you born an athiest or was there ever a religion that you believed in?
so your telling me that never even once for a single split second in your life never not doubted the existance of God?
 
There is evidence for the existence of God. Whether or not atheists find this evidence convincing enough is a different matter.
 
Hi Duncan Ferguson,

Duncan Ferguson said:
Evidence should be convincing or it is hardly evidence at all.
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Whether or not evidence is convincing is dependent on the individual. Furthermore, even if somebody does not find a particular piece of evidence convincing, that doesn't negate the fact that it is still evidence in that it can be used to support a belief. Would you agree with that?
 
Eeman said:
was you born an athiest or was there ever a religion that you believed in?
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I have always been an atheist.

Eeman said:
so your telling me that never even once for a single split second in your life never not doubted the existance of God?
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Correct.

Osman said:
There is evidence for the existence of God. Whether or not atheists find this evidence convincing enough is a different matter.
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Then there actually isn't any evidence, since evidence has to be approachable and identifiable to all. If, to accept 'evidence' regarding the existence of God - you must believe in God first - then it isn't and never was evidence for God.
 
Hi Skavau,

Skavau said:
Osman said:
There is evidence for the existence of God. Whether or not atheists find this evidence convincing enough is a different matter.
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Then there actually isn't any evidence, since evidence has to be approachable and identifiable to all.
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I would argue that evidence pointing towards the existence of God is approachable and identifiable to everybody. However, some do not consider the evidence strong enough to warrant belief in God. That doesn't mean that it isn't evidence.

Skavau said:
If, to accept 'evidence' regarding the existence of God - you must believe in God first - then it isn't and never was evidence for God.
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Agreed.
 
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Skavau said:
I have always been an atheist.


Correct.
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:skeleton: man that is something in it self that one should ponder about.
in all honesty no offence to any athiest brothers or sisters but i feel quite sad for you guys, cos life in itself has no deeper meaning then us being here for no purpose and as a form of an accident, if i was a athiest that would make me think in itself.
 
Eeman said:
:skeleton: man that is something in it self that one should ponder about.
in all honesty no offence to any athiest brothers or sisters but i feel quite sad for you guys, cos life in itself has no deeper meaning then us being here for no purpose and as a form of an accident, if i was a athiest that would make me think in itself.
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Yes...u r right...but some pagan always felt there no God existence..!
The miracle of Allah,it shown in front of us no one realize..!
 
Osman said:
I would argue that evidence pointing towards the existence of God is approachable and identifiable to everybody. However, some do not consider the evidence strong enough to warrant belief in God. That doesn't mean that it isn't evidence.
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Where as others like me, believe that specific claims about evidence of God do not actually constitute evidence at all.
 
Eeman said:
:skeleton: man that is something in it self that one should ponder about.
in all honesty no offence to any athiest brothers or sisters but i feel quite sad for you guys, cos life in itself has no deeper meaning then us being here for no purpose and as a form of an accident, if i was a athiest that would make me think in itself.
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Again, Eeman - apparently you have not been reading my replies.

I have already informed you that I do not believe life, or my life is an accident and purposeless.
 
We are driving Tornado's thread off-topic. Perhaps this discussion should continue elsewhere, while we return to what Tornado wanted to discuss originally.
 
Osman said:
We are driving Tornado's thread off-topic. Perhaps this discussion should continue elsewhere, while we return to what Tornado wanted to discuss originally.
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I think I'm o.k. now. My view of the world and meaning of life is much different now than compared to when I was religious now that I've had a chance to think about it. Carl Sagan probably had the most effect on how I view the universe and also people now. Also, for atheists, the meaning of life is the meaning that they want to give to it.
 
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Tornado said:
I think I'm o.k. now. My view of the world and meaning of life is much different now than compared to when I was religious now that I've had a chance to think about it. Carl Sagan probably had the most effect on how I view the universe and also people now. Also, for atheists, the meaning of life is the meaning that they want to give to it.
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Hmm, well, people would prefer the meaning of life not to have devils or hell and so fourth - but yet they accept it. Maybe thats something to think about.

In a way, you may feel - that you are on the path to heaven -but religiously - you are always in fear of hell.

Not exactly, the bright cup of coffee in the morning is it - In terms of putting meaning to a life which you want - yet make yourself live in fear for the rest of your life.

As for Sagan, personally - he put too much belief in that their exists many planets with life - even though their is no evidence for even 1 with it, ofcourse this doesn't mean it for sure doesn't - but his relying on the drakers equation is well, optimistic.
 
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Greetings,
SixTen said:
Not exactly, the bright cup of coffee in the morning is it - In terms of putting meaning to a life which you want - yet make yourself live in fear for the rest of your life.
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There's no reason why being released from belief in god shouldn't be a liberating and empowering thing. It's not often you find an atheist writing about how meaningless their life is without god, is it?

Also, religious faith often involves the fear of god, so I'm not really sure what point you're making here.

Peace
 
Just thought i'd add my bit from an agnostic veiwpoint.

As an atheist or agnostic, you are free from hell. You are free to choose how to live your life, free to think, free to travel, free to dress, free to eat, free to drink, free from dogma, free to progress and to better yourself and the world, free from doubts.

You can veiw all humanity as equals, know your decisions are your own, live life in wonder of the world and its beauty, take steps to change that which is ugly.

Atheism is a very spiritual feeling. Casting off chains and letting your mind open to its full potential.
Being agnostic or atheist is great.
What use Tornado is having the comfort that you will see your kids in heaven....when its bllatently obvious to an atheist that heaven isnt actually there? What use is turning to a freind in the sky when you are actually just turnuing to chance and eschewing control to others, including non-existant others.

Sheesh! Become a theist already! Theres plenty of sand to stick yer loaf into and you have fine fingers to plug your ears. Theism is easy, but just cos somethings easy, dosnt mean its for the best!
 
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