Being gay and Islam

[Serinity]

No I am not say that disease is normal. If you have a disease, you are sick and you need a medicine or a treatment to become normal and health again. I am just thinking why there is a punishment if someone has a disease. But obiviously you meant something else by the word "disease" than I was thinking.

Being homosexual is going against the fitrah we were created in. It is one of the most wicked sins.

If someone who loves to rape women and children, would you say it is natural? no. sodomy is like that, or/and worse. I feel. It transgresses all logical bounds, it is based on deviant desires.

Allahu alam.

 

[sister herb]

Being homosexual is going against the fitrah we were created in. It is one of the most wicked sins.

If someone who loves to rape women and children, would you say it is natural? no. sodomy is like that, or/and worse. I feel. It transgresses all logical bounds, it is based on deviant desires.

Allahu alam.

I don´t say that raping people is normal like murdering people isn´t normal too. If person is sick - if he has disease, we need to find some medicine to him, not only repeat it´s a sin and he will get punishment. That would help those "sick sinners" to become normal again. Or do you think it´s even possible to cure kind of sicknesses at all? If yes and those people will repent, I am wondering how difficult it might be to us others to accept them as our brothers (and sisters). This discussion reminded to me one other thread where one member told about his feelings about some worker in his mosque who had got punishment about harassing your girls and that later (after he was reliesed from the jail) imam had accepted him back to mosque.

 

[Serinity]

There is a cure for everything, except death. So yes, there is a cure for homosexuality. Not saying there isn't.

Perhaps he needs to search for Allah SWT, and suppress those desires. Allah SWT is the only one who can cure him from this disease. I don't think it is a medicine of hormones, etc. but of the heart.

What I disagree with is justifying his state, cause by Allah SWT, it is not normal.

If Allah SWT wills he will be able to see the wrongfulness in sodomy, and why it is regarded as such a great sin.

May Allah SWT guide us all, and him. Ameen.

 

[anatolian]

I'll just say it frankly, I'm gay and in a relationship with another man. Does this go against the teachings of Islam, or is it accepted within the Islamic community for a person to be homosexual?

Peace. Homosexuality is one of the great sins in Islam. So it is definitely not welcomed in Islam. But, atheism is worse than it. I encourage you accept Islam first than look at this issue latter. There is no salvation out of Islam but there is still salvation for a muslim who is gay...


Homosexuals think that it is developed spontaneously or naturally but I think it is developed because of wrong behaviors they faced some point in their life, mostly during their chilhood. Considering that, I view it a psycological disorder.

There is even a wisdom with genital organs of the opposite genders. One is definetly created for another. This too proves the creation of a Creator.

 

[Serinity]

Even biologically speaking it makes no sense.

1. A man + a man = disease = no offspring = no children = no procreation = extinct = unnatural
2. a man + a woman = offspring = children = procreation = Growth. = natural.

sodomy came from the perversion of man, not something Allah SWT put in people from birth. What a heinous lie.

There was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. The example of Adam and Eve, and our sexual organs should be enough proof for the people who give insight, that sodomy is unnatural, and not something we were born with.

 

[drac16]

Re: Homosexuality and Islam

It's definitely prohibited. The story of Lut [peace be upon him] and his people is found many times in the Qur'an. What you'll find is that when homosexuality is mentioned, it is always negative. Surah 7:80-84 says that they [the Sodomites] were destroyed for practicing homosexuality. What some people will do is try to twist certain verses by saying "The Qur'an is only against excessive homosexuality-- not loving, committed gay relationships".

That's incorrect, though. Not a single verse in the Qur'an speaks positively about homosexuality. There's no way around that.

 

[Serinity]

Re: Homosexuality and Islam

It isn't ok to be gay. One has to suppress those desires. It is against the fitrah, and a perversion of man.

Afaik, one can still be Muslim, but one has to suppress those desires, and acknowledge that these desires are corrupt.

And Allah SWT knows best.

 

[MuhammadIbrahim]

Re: Homosexuality and Islam

Definitely, Homosexuality is prohibited in Islam. It is against the nature of humans.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Now this interest me: "practise your lusts". I am talking here about being a gay, not acting as gay. (Well, OP might act also but I am talking this matter as in the general level, not about his case.)

Are the feelings and lusts on the same line with the acts? If I have an idea that I want to kill someone but I don´t never do it, am I still a murderer? Can we generalize this same principle to all sins? If yes, then we all really are sinners as almost everyone have had some sins in their mind even at once during the lifetime.

Do you think Islam allows you to desire to be gay as long as you don't practice it? Does Islam allow you want and desire the same gender as long as no one sees you committing the act? According to your understanding, does this mean one is allowed to fantasize homosexual thoughts as much as one likes as long as one isn't doing the act? If a man or woman claim to be homosexual are you going to ask them to prove it to you by committing the act, or do you intend to snoop on them in private? How much evidence do you need from someone when one has admitted to being gay?

The principle in Islam is that the way to come to a conclusion on a certain matter is to look at what the Sharia says as a whole and not just one snippet verse. Another principle in Islam is that anything that leads to something sinful is also sinful so homosexual thoughts, desires and feelings are sinful unless you make a conscious effort to shun them.

The OP asked a question "is it accepted within the Islamic community for a person to be homosexual?" The answer is no.

However, does this mean as soon as we see a homosexual we'll chase him or her with torches and pitchforks and burn them at the stake? In short the answer is also no.

 

[Serinity]

Shaytaan promised Allah SWT that he will cause them to change the creation of Allah SWT.

Which, in my understanding, means the fitrah too. Anything which is changed improperly.

So actually you are obeying shaytaan and being defiant by being gay. Anyone who says Allah SWT created them like that, is lying and speaking against the Quran.

But most of mankind deviate themselves with their lusts, and in their deviation they become blind. So instead of acknowledging that they've strayed from their morale state, and fitrah, they justify and say "that is how I have been created"

I.e. they are basically accusing Allah SWT of immoral stuff.

Allahu alam.

 

[sister herb]

How much evidence do you need from someone when one has admitted to being gay?

Salam alaykum

Thanks for answering but as I wrote, I was discussed about this matter in general level - not the case of the OP. Yes, he admitted openly his situation. May Allah helps him to recover his non-Islamic desires.

 

[abumuslim82]

This. It would make no sense for me to choose to be gay when I see all the evil committed against other gay people. It's just a natural impulse that's developed unconsciously.

But, regarding your animal point, it is often a sign of authority and higher rank for an animal like a dog to have sex with another male dog. It's to assert dominance, just like how a lot of men get raped in prison, the rapist isn't gay, he's just asserting his dominance over the other man (or he is just desperate enough for sex that he will resort to forcing another man to do it with him).

I hope u are sincere, otherwise.......... U gona be in a problem

 

[Serinity]

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They have deviated from the morale and fitrah state they were born in. They take their feelings for natural, while it is not. They take their feelings as a guide.

No matter what excuses they put forth, what is unnatural will always stay unnatural.

 

[Search]

:bism:(In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful)

@MorbidEntree

Welcome!

I'd written the words here below elsewhere and with some modification I'm posting here for you because I think God-willing it will benefit.

Logic and freedom are indeed high values; that said, I think we need to think deeply to understand the nature of these values and also how they play out or function in reality. One of the best movies that I think feeds into the understanding of the limitation of logic is The Next Three Days in which the character John Brennan has all the evidence to know that his wife is a murderer but believes that she is not. And of course, we know at the end that he was correct in believing in her innocence even when his own logic and physical evidence would dictate that she was a murderer. Logic without intuition or internal compass is nothing.

Freedom as a word has been and always is thrown around a lot, but to be honest, I don't think most people have delved deeply into what freedom means because if they did I am confident they would recognize we're not really free. If a person was truly free, he would not be weighted by gravity, but the law of gravity doesn't change because the person would want to be free. If a person was truly free, legal jurisprudence of the country would not dictate that person should either be fined or an arrest occur should that person regularly fail to stop at a red traffic light. If a person was truly free, the person would not feel hostage to negative emotions and simple be. If a person was truly free, the person would not ever taste death. So, to be honest, from my basic understanding, human beings are not free. Freedom, I have found, after my former atheism/agnosticism, is in finally acknowledging that I am not free. Rousseau said, "Man was born free but everywhere he is in chains." This, I have found, is basic truth, and I even accept that we have laws because we need to legitimize certain restraints in society in order to function without chaos or anarchy.

Next, we go to the question of homosexuality. Homosexuality is the act of sex between two consenting adults, true. However, you are looking at purely from a worldly and legal perspective. And I can understand that because the physical world is the tangible, the one which we live. However, Islam and other major world religions believe in two worlds, the Seen and Unseen. The worldly perspective therefore feels short of encompassing the spiritual realities of our existence. Spiritually, the acts specific to homosexuality, within the realm of Islam, are seen as increasing black dots on a person's heart, increasing a person's spiritual void and blindness. Therefore, even though from a purely worldly perspective, the act is seen as simply a sex act between two consenting adults; in spiritual perspective, the act is seen as spiritually increasing darkness in two individuals' lives and if more people engage in the acts, then that is a causal link increasing spiritual darkness on earth. Therefore, Islam disapproves of sexual acts within both homosexuality and lesbianism.

That said, if a person identified himself/herself as having same-sex sexual attraction but does/did not act on that attraction, there is limitless divine pleasure that can be attained. My sheikh (Islamic teacher) had said that leaving one forbidden act is dearer to Allah (God) than to do 500 praiseworthy acts, because depriving ourselves in any manner is difficult and therefore this comes under the realm of jihad (struggle) against the self. And what this person receives is everlasting pleasure in Paradise. The truth is this world is temporal, and this is the belief of major world religions. Therefore, while deprivation in the world is considered an act of restriction on freedom, in the spiritual perspective, this restriction is actually freedom from being debased and held hostage to a desire. Freedom is in Paradise, wherein we're told there is no gravity, no law, no negative emotion, no death.

That said, I will say welcome to the board. I cannot pretend to understand your struggles as a man that identifies as having same-sex feelings. However, I will say that you are a human being, and I respect you as you are a creation of God.

 

[Misbah0411]

Look, the OP said he is a homosexual and has a partner so we can assume from this he does acts of homosexuality. If he only thinks of it without acting on it then this is different but could lead to sinful action. Ibn Qayyim said: [FONT=wf_segoe-ui_light]“Ward off passing thoughts, for if you do not, they will become ideas. Ward off ideas, for if you do not, they will become desires. Fight them, for if you do not, they will become resolve and determination, and if you do not ward them off, they will become actions. If you do not resist them with their opposite, they will become habits and it will be difficult for you to get rid of them.” ([/FONT]Al-Fawaa’id by Ibn al-Qayyim, p. 33). Here is a good explanation:

https://islamqa.info/en/7491

 

[Gr8fulDeadlift]

Salam Alaykum all my brothers and sisters in Islam gay or straight.
I am 40 years old. Not one single day of these forty years did I ever stop and consciously make the decision that I would be straight. I just am and I just always have been. So where would I get off to think another could make that decision as if its as easy as deciding cream or sugar in your coffee. Come on now!
However this is an Islamic(faith based) site. ANd none of the Abrahamic faiths say same sex acts are ok. That being said, it does not make you a non Muslim. Nor does it make it ok for us, your brothers and sisters in Islam to judge you. You have the right as our brother in Islam to be supported and loved by us. And leave any and all judgement to our Creator who is infinitely more qualified that us.
Wassalam

 

[Regrets1]

I don't think people are born gay tbh..Allah won't make you gay and then punish you for it aswell..men are for women and women for men..if someone had desires for same gender at early age then I'm not really sure why they had those feelings..but sadly sometimes people are sexually assaulted by the same gender at young age and they hate it they don't even know what is happening and why..I knew someone whos uncle raped him not once but many times..time came when he got used to everything he started enjoying it, he would himself go to his uncle and perform the act which made him think he's gay so after few years he started having relationships with other men..And if that's not happened to people then it might the case of watching porn or they think they can't find a woman so they go to a man instead and complete their needs?? Or they think men can understand each other better than a woman would understand them?(Not hate but no one is born gay it's a choice one makes, I guess many are confused. It can be shaitan playing you or your own mind and your desires for men) many people say people are born gay, now there are gay rights gay marriages taking place etc I get scared for the young generation who are being taught in school that it's ok to be gay. So Yes it does go against the teachings of Islam doesn't matter what people say there are many Muslims who are supporting gays which in itself is a haram act as they are encouraging people to do haram.

 

[hisnameiszzz]

Can I jump in and ask a question. Someone I went to school with, a Muslim, came out as gay and had a same sex partner.

His parents forced him to marry which he did but he still sleeps with men. Is that right? Is that how someone following Islam should deal with a child that is gay? Force them into marriage? Surely that's wrong because the lady may not get what she wants.

Ps. I know about what he gets up to because I asked him. I know it was nosey of me but I didn't understand how he went from being gay to happily married to a lady. He said his wife doesn't know so it doesn't bother her.

 

[Umm Abed]

Many people are so exposed to negative influences and bad company so they adopt the wrong feelings and tend to incline towards it until it becomes so ingrained in them.

The parents were wrong in getting him married its very unfair on his wife. He should have stayed single if he lives a life like this.
@hisnameizzz

 

[Kiro]

I don't think people are born gay but I think Allah tests everyone differently.

At this moment of time, I don't think people are born heterosexual either.