Being gay and Islam

[hisnameiszzz]

Many people are so exposed to negative influences and bad company so they adopt the wrong feelings and tend to incline towards it until it becomes so ingrained in them.

The parents were wrong in getting him married its very unfair on his wife. He should have stayed single if he lives a life like this.
@hisnameizzz

I agree, but that's what parents do to save face these days.

I feel sorry for him for having to lead a fake life and a real life and for his wife for being misled and finally to his little boy. But I can't change any of that. It's sad though.

 

[Serinity]

Those who support sodomites in their deviated state, support shaytaan. Do not sugarcoat, sodomy is an evil-doing.

Those who support the kuffar in their deviation and corrupt morals, support shaytaan.

They may find it hard to leave this filth, yes, but it is worth it. Just like you don't support a suicidal person thinking "i really feel like dying.." etc.

And Allah SWT knows best.

 

[MorbidEntree]

I hope u are sincere, otherwise.......... U gona be in a problem

What do you mean?

Look, the OP said he is a homosexual and has a partner so we can assume from this he does acts of homosexuality. If he only thinks of it without acting on it then this is different but could lead to sinful action. Ibn Qayyim said: [FONT=wf_segoe-ui_light]“Ward off passing thoughts, for if you do not, they will become ideas. Ward off ideas, for if you do not, they will become desires. Fight them, for if you do not, they will become resolve and determination, and if you do not ward them off, they will become actions. If you do not resist them with their opposite, they will become habits and it will be difficult for you to get rid of them.” ([/FONT]Al-Fawaa’id by Ibn al-Qayyim, p. 33). Here is a good explanation:

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It depends on what you consider an "act." For a while we have both refrained from sexual activity and only speak to each other without contact (which is mostly due to the distance between us). So unless you consider us talking and expressing our love for each other in words to be acts of homosexuality, then we do not do any acts.

 

[*charisma*]

[MENTION=38882]MorbidEntree[/MENTION]

I didn't go through this thread in detail. I'm sure it's just repetitive of everyone telling you homosexuality is forbidden in Islam.

I saw that you were interested in Islam before, so I'm just letting you know that homosexuality is considered a desire that we have to either subdue or eradicate if possible. I cannot at all put myself in your shoes and tell you that I know how difficult it is to have sexual tendencies towards the same sex (especially as a male who's sexual drive is much greater) but that we are all tested in different ways with the things we may most desire. With that being said, homosexuality is a sin in Islam, but that doesn't mean you can't be Muslim. We put our faith before our desires, so if you are able to do that and understand and agree with what Islam is despite your homosexuality, then essentially you are Muslim. Unlawful intercourse is one of the biggest sins, and many Muslims who are unable to get married for whatever reason still refrain from having sex because it's not allowed. So I know that if it had to come down to following an Islamic lifestyle, you'd be able to do it. It's just a matter of what you want to do in the end, and whether your wants are in line with your core beliefs. Your sexuality does not have to be the most important thing in your life and dictate what your beliefs are. I wouldn't choose a belief system based on fleeting tendencies, so I don't think you should either.

 

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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful)

@MorbidEntree

In addition to what @*charisma* has brilliantly written in post #104, I'd also like to say that it doesn't matter how many sins you commit because Allah is extremely merciful. So, for example, there are believers, self-identified as gay or straight, who have committed physical acts of sin and are still committing them, and even if they were to commit a billion of these physical acts of sin throughout their entire life, that sin in Islam is still considered worthy of forgiveness as long as a person sincerely asks for forgiveness of Allah. So, what I'm trying to tell you is that if you become/are convinced of the Truth of Islam, then I'd say that you should convert/revert regardless of whether you believe you can commit to not engaging in physical acts of sin. That is because in the eyes of God, denying God is the only unforgivable sin. Any sins other than denying God are washed in the Ocean of Mercy as long as the person strives in the path of God. No human being is sin-free, and we can only strive our best to be godly but that doesn't mean we'll get to that high terminus; and therefore, Allah counts our intentions. So, if you intend to try to do your best by God, that's all that matters, not the end-results. We all have our struggles, and every human is struggling in some way.

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) relayed in a sacred hadith (prophetic tradition): “Allah the Almighty has said: ‘O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me, and hope in Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds in the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I shall forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with an earthful of sins and were you then to face Me, without having associated anything with Me, I shall grant you an earthful of pardon.'”

 

[abumuslim82]

What do you mean?



It depends on what you consider an "act." For a while we have both refrained from sexual activity and only speak to each other without contact (which is mostly due to the distance between us). So unless you consider us talking and expressing our love for each other in words to be acts of homosexuality, then we do not do any acts.

I mean I hope u not making mischief on here, u do know about the media/internet and how it is one of the tools to attack Muslims. Trust me u don't want to be part of the hell fire.

Accept Islam and quick, who knows when the angel of death is to pay a visit.

 

[~ Sabr ~]

You are not allowed to be Gay/Lesbian in Islam as the Qur'aan forbids it. Khalaas.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Is there any reason that being gay isn't ok other than "because Allah says so"? Is this entirely based on obedience to authority or is there a deeper moral underpinning?

And why does homosexuality draw so much spite and outrage from religiouw folks? There are plenty of other things that God is said to forbid, ranging from pork to mixed fibers, that you never see this sort of reaction over.

Homosexuality is one of the worst sins up there with murder and rape and slavery? Really? Why?

 

[~ Sabr ~]

Is there any reason that being gay isn't ok other than "because Allah says so"? Is this entirely based on obedience to authority or is there a deeper moral underpinning?

And why does homosexuality draw so much spite and outrage from religiouw folks? There are plenty of other things that God is said to forbid, ranging from pork to mixed fibers, that you never see this sort of reaction over.

Homosexuality is one of the worst sins up there with murder and rape and slavery? Really? Why?

Greeting Pygoscelis,

Actually you see "this type of reaction" towards anything that Allaah has forbidden - this goes for Alcohol, Pigs, Fornication/Adultery/Rape, Apostates, etc.

Don't know where you are looking.

By the way, "because Allaah says so" is enough for us. Might not be for you. But it is for us.

Peace eace:

 

[Serinity]

The problem is not that it is because Allah SWT says so.

The kuffar won't be convinced by that, why? Because they have a BIGGER problem than that - believing in Allah SWT.

Cuz we believe and are convinced, therefore even if we don't understand we say "we hear and obey" Cuz we KNOW it is from ALLAH SWT.

 

[~ Sabr ~]

The problem is not that it is because Allah SWT says so.

The kuffar won't be convinced by that, why? Because they have a BIGGER problem than that - believing in Allah SWT.

Cuz we believe and are convinced, therefore even if we don't understand we say "we hear and obey" Cuz we KNOW it is from ALLAH SWT.

:salamext: brother,

Allaah KNOWS why - even if we don't. Probably because of diseases and stuff and because it's NOT natural... man and man...woman and woman...technically don't work. Physically.

 

[Serinity]

:salamext: brother,

Allaah KNOWS why - even if we don't. Probably because of diseases and stuff and because it's NOT natural... man and man...woman and woman...technically don't work. Physically.

Wa alaikum salam, wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

True, Allah SWT knows why, how, etc. It doesn't make sense either, it isn't natural either. I understand why it is. Cuz we- man to woman, woman to man. Not anything else, any other is the inventions from the perversions of man.

IT is Allah SWT's law that dictates what we can and can not do. TO acknowledge what you can and can not do, is the way to success.

And it goes against proper manhood and masculinity to be a sodomite. It is going against the fitrah to be gay.

Being gay is worse than stealing, etc. Cause you are going against the fitrah.

Being a rapist is worse than stealing, being a gay is worse than being a rapist in my eyes! At least one can understand the rape, but the sodomite? Totally illogical! unnatural, and disgusting, even more so than the rape.

To illustrate how disgusting sodomy is, imagine people eat food, etc. Imagine then they eating their own feces. That is how I see sodomy.

And yes, if we don't know or understand we say "We hear and obey" cuz we've taken a convenant with Allah SWT. And we'd delude ourselves and move ourselves to destruction if we were to defy Allah SWT, Audhu billah. May Allah SWT protect us from that. Ameen.

 

[Serinity]

Oh and for my illustration.

Allah SWT created food as a provision to US. IF we eat feces, and excrement, we'd be cursed! Cause Allah SWT Did NOT create it for us to eat! And it goes against the fitrah

Similarily, Allah SWT created women for man to have tranquility in. Allah SWT created man for women to have tranquility in, afaik.

For someone to then go to the man would be against the fitrah.Going to the man is like going to the feces to eat it.

 

[Pygoscelis]

True, Allah SWT knows why, how, etc. It doesn't make sense either, it isn't natural either.

You guys keep saying that. What do you mean by "it isn't natural"? Is it supernatural then? Are gays ghosts or Gods?

If you mean it doesn't happen in nature, you'd be wrong. Pretty much every sexual species engages in homosexuality.

Is human flight natural? Is modern medicine natural? Is plastic natural? Does something not being "natural" automatically make it bad?

Being gay is worse than stealing, etc. Cause you are going against the fitrah.

Being a rapist is worse than stealing, being a gay is worse than being a rapist in my eyes!

Do you say that being gay is worse than slavery and murder too? Just because "Allah says so"?

To illustrate how disgusting sodomy is, imagine people eat food, etc. Imagine then they eating their own feces. That is how I see sodomy.

That is disgusting. But is it more immoral than rape? Do you equate your sense of disgust with your sense of morality? Is that it? I too find homosexuality disgusting, because I'm heterosexual, but I don't see why me finding something disgusting should make it automatically immoral.

And yes, if we don't know or understand we say "We hear and obey" cuz we've taken a convenant with Allah SWT. And we'd delude ourselves and move ourselves to destruction if we were to defy Allah SWT, Audhu billah. May Allah SWT protect us from that. Ameen.

How far will you take that? If Allah said that you should hunt and kill homosexuals, would you?

 

[MorbidEntree]

You guys keep saying that. What do you mean by "it isn't natural"? Is it supernatural then? Are gays ghosts or Gods?

If you mean it doesn't happen in nature, you'd be wrong. Pretty much every sexual species engages in homosexuality.

Is human flight natural? Is modern medicine natural? Is plastic natural? Does something not being "natural" automatically make it bad?




Do you say that being gay is worse than slavery and murder too? Just because "Allah says so"?



That is disgusting. But is it more immoral than rape? Do you equate your sense of disgust with your sense of morality? Is that it? I too find homosexuality disgusting, because I'm heterosexual, but I don't see why me finding something disgusting should make it automatically immoral.



How far will you take that? If Allah said that you should hunt and kill homosexuals, would you?

He means that it goes against human nature to be homosexual, which kinda makes sense. It is human nature for us to want to reproduce, resulting in heterosexuality. But I think that homosexuality has its purpose in human nature somewhere, such as population limiting or something like that.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Actually you see "this type of reaction" towards anything that Allaah has forbidden - this goes for Alcohol, Pigs, Fornication/Adultery/Rape, Apostates, etc.

Don't know where you are looking.

I have seen Gay Pride publicly protested. The level of outrage the likes of Fred Phelps etc. I have never seen a Rib Fest (pork) reacted to in that way. Gay Marriage (of non-religious people) is a hot issue for a lot of religious people. Catholics serving pork chops or ham sandwiches at wedding receptions is not. Why is that?

 

[Serinity]

Idc what you say Pygo, I stand my ground. And I've put you on ignore knowing your way of thinking.

If you understand the feces part, then good. If you don't understand the analogies, then the problem is with you.

Allah SWT created us upon the fitrah. It is unnatural to be gay. And animals have no shame or moral compass, so they may even sleep in their own feces.

we don't take animals as a guide, as we are not animals.

Animals won't be accountable, but we will. We follow the Prophet Muhammad SAW and Allah SWT.

Homosexuality has no purpose, as it is a deviation, and no deviation has a purpose except to mislead mankind.

sodomy has no benefit, it is destroying mankind. Leaving tons of women unmarried, spreading illegal sexual intercourse and promscuity.

by that you say rapists, etc. Have a good purpose too? Taking care of their lusts? Raping young women, cuz hey, it is nice!

What about the doctor having sex with their patient? The teacher with their students?

What about incest? Father with daughter, son with mother? (I feel disgusting writing this)

We are not insects or fish either.

And Allah SWT knows best.

 

[Pygoscelis]

He means that it goes against human nature to be homosexual, which kinda makes sense. It is human nature for us to want to reproduce, resulting in heterosexuality. But I think that homosexuality has its purpose in human nature somewhere, such as population limiting or something like that.

Hi MorbidEntree,

It is an interesting question. Homosexual sex doesn't result in babies, so why did we evolve to have homosexuality included in the species, and indeed in pretty much all species (aside from those that reproduce asexually)? For that matter, why are we apt to live far beyond the age of reproduction and raising children? Why do we have genes to allow a full life after menopause? This is known as the "Grandmother question" and it runs along the same line of inquiry.

To answer it, you have to look at evolution from the gene's point of view, rather than from the individual organism's point of view. Many of your genes are in your brothers and sisters, and in your own offspring , so it pays off for the genes for you to care for your siblings and their children, as well as for your grandchildren. If a certain percentage of the population does not reproduce themselves, but instead gives assistance to raising the children of their siblings etc, that may be selected for. If the parent dies, the homosexual sibling with no children of their own, may be ready to step right in so the offspring doesn't suffer. This has been observed in studies on birds as well as mammals.

A little ironic, isn't it? That the reason homosexuality persists down the genetic line may have something to do with homosexuals caring for children - exactly what some religious folks fear most.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Idc what you say Pygo, I stand my ground. And I've put you on ignore knowing your way of thinking.

If you understand the feces part, then good. If you don't understand the analogies, then the problem is with you.

Allah SWT created us upon the fitrah. It is unnatural to be gay. And animals have no shame or moral compass, so they may even sleep in their own feces.

we don't take animals as a guide, as we are not animals.

Animals won't be accountable, but we will. We follow the Prophet Muhammad SAW and Allah SWT.

Homosexuality has no purpose, as it is a deviation, and no deviation has a purpose except to mislead mankind.

by that you say rapists, etc. Have a good purpose too? Taking care of their lusts? Raping young women, cuz hey, it is nice!

We are not insects or fish either.

And Allah SWT knows best.

I notice that you didn't answer my questions. Is homosexuality worse than murder and slavery? Would you hunt and murder homosexuals if God told you to? Do you have any moral sense aside from obedience to the almighty?

You refuse to answer, and I am pretty sure I know why.

 

[Umm Abed]

I notice that you didn't answer my questions. Is homosexuality worse than murder and slavery? Would you hunt and murder homosexuals if God told you to? Do you have any moral sense aside from obedience to the almighty?

You refuse to answer, and I am pretty sure I know why.

Homosexuality and murder are all equal in evilness so I think thats the answer : )