Being gay and Islam

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Kiro said:
I don't need your love when I am the one to shaaare the love

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maybe you need some bro love to charge up your brain, confused lad
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True. I don't need money lol. I need understanding and Guidance. :P

I don't want to go against Allah SWT. I just want clarity.
 
Assalaamu alaikum [MENTION=37786]Kiro[/MENTION] and [MENTION=38408]Serinity[/MENTION],


(amused) I don't know whether you intended to do so on this thread, but it seems to me that you have shown to non-Muslims reading this thread, that it is possible for men to love one another in Islam. That they can be kind and warm and good to one another. (smile) Indeed, it is recommended that we be good to one another.

(smile) I hope the OP understands this. There is no problem if a person loves another person of the same gender. What God Asks is that people do not have sexual relations with a person of the same gender. (gently) And this may be really difficult for some people.


May God, the One Who Designed us, Who Knows our weaknesses, Help and Guide us as we struggle to do what is Pleasing to Him.
 
Assalaamu alaikum @~ Sabr ~ , [MENTION=38408]Serinity[/MENTION] and [MENTION=37786]Kiro[/MENTION],

Mmm...perhaps this conversation about what Serenity is feeling confused about could be on a new thread...?

JazakAllah khairan!
 
MuslimInshallah said:
Assalaamu alaikum @Kiro and @Serinity,


(amused) I don't know whether you intended to do so on this thread, but it seems to me that you have shown to non-Muslims reading this thread, that it is possible for men to love one another in Islam. That they can be kind and warm and good to one another. (smile) Indeed, it is recommended that we be good to one another.

(smile) I hope the OP understands this. There is no problem if a person loves another person of the same gender. What God Asks is that people do not have sexual relations with a person of the same gender. (gently) And this may be really difficult for some people.


May God, the One Who Designed us, Who Knows our weaknesses, Help and Guide us as we struggle to do what is Pleasing to Him.
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Obv, I love @Kiro :P we are friends. But the love isn't sexual or anything, audhu billah. It is more of a refreshing kind of love. Idk how to explain lol. I just love him cuz of his character and we are similar lol. And he is like a brother to me.

But yeah, men can love eachother. people seem to confuse men loving eachother, as gay. People think too much with the below. :/

^ ok. Yeah, we could.
 
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Serinity said:
Obv, I love @Kiro :P we are friends. But the love isn't sexual or anything, audhu billah. It is more of a refreshing kind of love. Idk how to explain lol. I just love him cuz of his character and we are similar lol. And he is like a brother to me.

But yeah, men can love eachother. people seem to confuse men loving eachother, as gay. People think too much with the below. :/

^ ok. Yeah, we could.
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wswrb

love is a construct so I can say this, GIVE ME A GIFT
 
Kiro said:
wswrb

love is a construct so I can say this, GIVE ME A GIFT
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Wa alaikum salam, wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

What gift? lol. Love that is based and conditioned by what people give of materialistic stuff, isn't love.

But I'd happily buy you a gift, simply because I love you as a brother lol. :P *pokes head*

Ok enough off topic. I almost forgot.

And Allah SWT knows best.
 
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Serinity said:
Wa alaikum salam, wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,What gift? lol. Love that is based and conditioned by what people give of materialistic stuff, isn't love.But I'd happily buy you a gift, simply because I love you as a brother lol. :P *pokes head* Ok enough off topic. I almost forgot.And Allah SWT knows best.
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Bros? I get no love? :'((In it for the gifts lol)
 
LOL Gotta love the spontaneous bromance (platonic of course) breaking out in the middle of the thread.
 
Cpt.America said:
Another point of interest is that historically in other societies there have been people who committed homosexual actions (so had homosexual attractions) but also had families and otherwise 'straight' lives. Like in some areas of Afghanistan powerful leaders choose to rape young boys, but also have families and etc. they aren't viewed as homosexual and don't identify as homosexual.
These actions are all deplorable of course and condemned in Islam for many many many reasons

but my point is just that this very fixed gender binary, as in you are either fully gay or you're straight and nothing else, seems to be a more recent societal construct. Whereas before and still in other areas of the world people will commit homosexual actions but feel as though that does not define them as necessarily having to be homosexual.
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Interesting point!

I think the rape example you gave above shows that rape is about power and dominance far more than it is about lust or romance. The same sort of thing can be seen in prisons. Some guys get off on dominating others, and actually get sexually aroused by it, and if they can't sexually dominate women, they will sexually dominate men. Sick as that is, it seems to exist in humans (as well as some other animals as you can see at any dog park). None of this is "homosexual" as in being attracted to same gender.

Another thing I'd like to point out as that despite everybody above equating homosexuality to sodomy, homosexuality doesn't necessarily include that and can be much more than that. There are many ways of "making love" that do not involve physical sex, and there are many sex acts that do not involve anal insertion (mouths, hands, fencing, etc). On the other side, many heterosexuals engage in anal sex (as disgusting as I agree that is). Bisexuality is also far more common than most people realize (and many who are bisexual hide it and even try to suppress it within themselves). And there are men to get off on cukolding themselves (watching a woman they care about having sex with another man). And then you have the transgendered born as men but identifying as women and wanting to have sex as a woman would with a man (which indeed can be done post-op).

People are complicated when it comes to sex. Way more complicated than gay = anal.
 
Pygoscelis said:
Bisexuality is also far more common than most people realize
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Bisexual can choose their sexual orientation, as heterosexual or as homosexual. And mostly of them choose one of these two choices. The rest in smaller number choose to still oriented to bisexuality. That's why the number of bisexual look smaller than the real number.
 
ardianto said:
Bisexual can choose their sexual orientation, as heterosexual or as homosexual. And mostly of them choose one of these two choices. The rest in smaller number choose to still oriented to bisexuality. That's why the number of bisexual look smaller than the real number.
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Bisexual people that I know (and yes I know some) tend to lean more in one direction than the other, and may have long term relationships with only one gender, but that doesn't mean they lose their bisexuality. I don't think they can shut off being attracted to the other gender by sheer willpower. I know one that leans heavily homosexual and has a boyfriend he is monogamous with, but he is still attracted to women, and not masculine women. It sticks in my mind because he has the same taste in women that I do.
 
Pygoscelis said:
Bisexual people that I know (and yes I know some) tend to lean more in one direction than the other, and may have long term relationships with only one gender, but that doesn't mean they lose their bisexuality. I don't think they can shut off being attracted to the other gender by sheer willpower. I know one that leans heavily homosexual and has a boyfriend he is monogamous with, but he is still attracted to women, and not masculine women. It sticks in my mind because he has the same taste in women that I do.
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What I mean with sexual orientation was referring to sexual relationship. Those bisexual still attracted to both gender. But in choosing the partner, they only choose one gender, depend on which sexual orientation that they choose.
 
Umar Ibn Farooq said:
SubhanAllah

This forum is in a mess. No one follows Islam on here. Their desires and western-brainwashed opinions only contribute/matter on here. The others who claim islamic knowledge are thrown in the trash or receive infraction points for ''insulting'' other members. Since when was sincere or harsh advice ever taken to insult another?

May Allah guide us
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This threads gotten a bit old,
but I am assuming everyone here knows homosexuality is a sin, and is never acceptable or should be in anyway supported.
Brothers who are afflicted with such desires of course should be supported in getting closer to their deen, and psychologically treated to help them leave these desires or keep them controlled.

I don't think anyone believes to the contrary, homosexual actions are a clear sin and the punishment of the Ummah of Lut AS is directly mentioned in the Quran
 
Umar Ibn Farooq said:
SubhanAllah

This forum is in a mess. No one follows Islam on here. Their desires and western-brainwashed opinions only contribute/matter on here. The others who claim islamic knowledge are thrown in the trash or receive infraction points for ''insulting'' other members. Since when was sincere or harsh advice ever taken to insult another?

May Allah guide us
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It is indeed a grave accusation against Allah SWT to say "Allah SWT created me gay" rather acknowledge that one is corrupt and needs fixing would be better. It is no different from the rapist saying "Allah SWT Created me like this" etc.

But those who have the desire, we can't be harsh against them, we have to say that it is not ok to be gay and those desires are from shaytaan, and etc. One can still be muslim and have those desires - but one has to realise that his desire is not natural.

And ameen to your dua. Sometimes truth may be harsh. May Allah SWT help us. Ameen.
 
Umar Ibn Farooq said:
SubhanAllah

This forum is in a mess. No one follows Islam on here. Their desires and western-brainwashed opinions only contribute/matter on here. The others who claim islamic knowledge are thrown in the trash or receive infraction points for ''insulting'' other members. Since when was sincere or harsh advice ever taken to insult another?

May Allah guide us
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:Emoji7:

A friendly forum which is open to debate and dialogue is certainly going to be more appealing to new people with questions about Islam. I joined UF, asked a question about got perma banned :Emoji43:

The reason why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world is because 99% of the population are kind, helpful, respectful and encouraging. Going all Kim Jung-Un on people is not very appealing for new people looking into Islam ;)
 
EgyptPrincess said:
:Emoji7:

A friendly forum which is open to debate and dialogue is certainly going to be more appealing to new people with questions about Islam. I joined UF, asked a question about got perma banned :Emoji43:

The reason why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world is because 99% of the population are kind, helpful, respectful and encouraging. Going all Kim Jung-Un on people is not very appealing for new people looking into Islam ;)
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I know you've gotten permanent banned. You have no voice in Islam. That is why they banned you. Farhan is just being nice.

Besides, the only ''backup'' you have proving your points are your emojis. Never have I seen any Islamic proof approving your stance.

May Allah guide us

Emotion has no opinion/voice in Islam. Sorry.

Try again.
 
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